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NYC bans trans fat.
#6337556 - 12/05/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Board of Health voted Tuesday to make New York the nation's first city to ban artery-clogging artificial trans fats at restaurants - from the corner pizzeria to high-end bakeries.
The board, which passed the ban unanimously, did give restaurants a slight break by relaxing what had been considered a tight deadline for compliance. Restaurants will be barred from using most frying oils containing artificial trans fats by July and will have to eliminate the artificial trans fats from all of their foods by July 2008.
But restaurant industry representatives called the ban burdensome and unnecessary.
"We don't think that a municipal health agency has any business banning a product the Food and Drug Administration has already approved," said Dan Fleshler, a spokesman for the National Restaurant Association.
Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden said recently that officials seriously weighed complaints from the restaurant industry, which argued that it was unrealistic to give them six months to replace cooking oils and shortening and 18 months to phase out the ingredients altogether.
The ban contains some exceptions; for instance, it would allow restaurants to serve foods that come in the manufacturer's original packaging.
Trans fats are believed to be harmful because they contribute to heart disease by raising bad cholesterol and lowering good cholesterol at the same time. Some experts say that makes trans fats worse than saturated fat.
The panel also passed another measure that has made restaurants unhappy: Some that chose to inform customers about calorie content will have to list the information right on the menu. The rule would generally apply to fast-food restaurants and other major chains.
Sheila Weiss, director of nutritional policy for the restaurant association, said the rule would be a disincentive for restaurants to provide any nutritional information.
Trans fats are formed when liquid oils are made into solid fats by adding hydrogen in a process called hydrogenation. A common example of this is partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, which is used for frying and baking and turns up in processed foods like cookies, pizza dough and crackers. Trans fats, which are favored because of their long shelf life, are also found in pre-made blends like pancake and hot chocolate mix.
The FDA estimates the average American eats 4.7 pounds of trans fats each year.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who banned smoking in bars and restaurants during his first term, is somewhat health-obsessed, and even maintains a weight-loss competition with one of his friends in order to stay slim.
He has dismissed cries that New York is crossing a line by trying to legislate diets.
"Nobody wants to take away your french fries and hamburgers - I love those things, too," he said recently. "But if you can make them with something that is less damaging to your health, we should do that."
Many food makers have stopped using trans fats on their own, after the Food and Drug Administration began requiring companies to list trans fat content on labels.
Fast-food restaurants and other major chains were particularly interested in the board's decision on Tuesday, because for these companies, a trans-fat ban wouldn't just involve substituting one ingredient for another. In addition to overhauling recipes, they have to disrupt nationwide supply operations and try to convince customers that the new french fries and doughnuts will taste just as good as the originals.
Already, McDonald's Corp. (nyse: MCD - news - people ) has been quietly experimenting with more than a dozen healthier oil blends but has not committed to a full switch. At an investor conference last month, CEO Jim Skinner said the company is making "very good progress," at developing an alternative, and vowed to be ready for a New York City ban.
Wendy's International Inc. (nyse: WEN - news - people ) introduced a zero-trans fat oil in August and Yum Brands Inc.'s KFC and Taco Bell said they also will cut the trans fats from their kitchens.
Taco Bell worked for more than two years to find a substitute, conducting blind consumer taste tests and extensive research, the company said.
Chicago is also considering its own trans fat law, which wouldn't ban them outright but would severely restrict the amount that kitchens can use. The measure would apply only to large restaurants, defined as those that make more than $20 million in sales per year.
New York's move to ban trans fats has mostly been applauded by health and medical groups, although the American Heart Association warns that if restaurants aren't given ample time to make the switch, they could end up reverting to ingredients high in saturated fat, like palm oil.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6337576 - 12/05/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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lame
glad I don't live there
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First they came for the painkillers and I did not speak out because I don't like opiates. Then they came for the meth and I did not speak out because I was not a tweaker. Then they came for the marijuana and I did not speak out because I was not a pothead. Then they came for my fat and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6337608 - 12/05/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I personally try not to eat too much trans fat but come on wheres the freedom? I want it to be my choice not have some politician make decisions for me.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6337757 - 12/05/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know it's healthy...
But my love of NYC just plummeted
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albino_shroom said: I personally try not to eat too much trans fat but come on wheres the freedom?
wouldnt freedom of choice be in there somwhere, I'l like to be able to choose not to use trans fats, unfortunately since so many people are using them to cook fast foods, I cant exersize that choice when I dine out.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6337809 - 12/05/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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albino_shroom said: I personally try not to eat too much trans fat but come on wheres the freedom?
wouldnt freedom of choice be in there somwhere, I'l like to be able to choose not to use trans fats, unfortunately since so many people are using them to cook fast foods, I cant exersize that choice when I dine out.
Exactly.. it's like MSG in chinese food. Some people get crazy migraines etc from it.. some don't care. Information is key, knowledge is freedom.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6337827 - 12/05/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is like the smoking ban.. but worse..
Let businesses make their own decisions. If people don't agree with your product, they won't buy it! Let the free market dictate what is good and what's bad. This is annoying
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#6337832 - 12/05/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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albino_shroom said: I personally try not to eat too much trans fat but come on wheres the freedom?
wouldnt freedom of choice be in there somwhere, I'l like to be able to choose not to use trans fats, unfortunately since so many people are using them to cook fast foods, I cant exersize that choice when I dine out.
Then don't dine at the places that use trans fat. And if it is true, although I highly doubt it is, that ALL fast food places use trans fat then take that as your cue to stop eating fast food. They should have the right to serve horrible quality fattening food, and you should have the right to not eat it.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: TheCow]
#6337843 - 12/05/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think his point is that we should have the right to be able to make informed decisions about what we put into our body. Hiding the real ingredients (and/or their effects) takes away that right.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6337864 - 12/05/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn that's 
I can eat those foods a lot and still be skinny/healthy. I guess some unhealthy/overweight/whatever else people ruin it for everyone because they can't control themselves.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: eris]
#6337871 - 12/05/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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yep, ban genetically inferior people instead
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: unbeliever]
#6337872 - 12/05/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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When somethen baned, it's usually for the best of the people .There's going people selling fat underground,on the net.
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#6337890 - 12/05/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6338003 - 12/05/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Government regulated grocery stores are common in Europe, NYC is just following what more health concious countries have been doing for years.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Ferris]
#6338006 - 12/05/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Exactly. There are tons of other oils that you can deep fry your french fries in.
It's not taking away your doughnuts or candy bars. It's just eliminating a fat that is NOT needed by the body whatsoever and which is terribly unhealthy.
And before anyone spouts off about saturated fats, yes...those too are essential to the human body. Examples would be for the production of testosterone, it also strengthens nails and hair....it has alot of other uses, but I really dont want to google right now.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: tak]
#6338009 - 12/05/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Screw the trans fat, do we get to keep the cis fat?
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Ferris]
#6338014 - 12/05/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fuck that I want the choice to clog my arteries.
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Re: NYC bans trans fat. [Re: Boom]
#6338129 - 12/05/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Booooom said: This is like the smoking ban.. but worse..
Let businesses make their own decisions. If people don't agree with your product, they won't buy it! Let the free market dictate what is good and what's bad. This is annoying
yeah, that worked out real well
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Chazzersize said: Exactly. There are tons of other oils that you can deep fry your french fries in.
It's not taking away your doughnuts or candy bars. It's just eliminating a fat that is NOT needed by the body whatsoever and which is terribly unhealthy.
And before anyone spouts off about saturated fats, yes...those too are essential to the human body. Examples would be for the production of testosterone, it also strengthens nails and hair....it has alot of other uses, but I really dont want to google right now.
exactly
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