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Fat Americans
    #5911420 - 07/29/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Americans too fat for X-rays, scans

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArti...C1-ArticlePage3

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More and more obese people are unable to get full medical care because they are either too big to fit into scanners, or their fat is too dense for X-rays or sound waves to penetrate, radiologists reported on Tuesday.

With 64 percent of the U.S. population either overweight or obese, the problem is worsening, but it represents a business opportunity for equipment makers and hospitals, said Dr. Raul Uppot, a radiologist at Massachusetts General Hospital.

"We noticed over the past couple of years that obesity was playing a role in our ability to see these images clearly," Uppot said in a telephone interview.

Radiologists have their own term for it when writing up reports: "These images are limited due to body habitus."

Uppot's team looked for this phrase in radiology reports from 1989 to 2003. These included standard X-rays, computer assisted X-rays known as CT scans, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and positron emission tomography (PET).

These scans are used to look for tumors, blood clots, broken limbs and other injuries and diseased organs.

"Overall, 7,778 or 0.15 percent of 5,253,014 reports were habitus limited," they wrote in the August issue of the journal Radiology.

"It essentially doubled over the last 15 years," Uppot said.

The researchers looked more closely at the records of 200 of the patients, who weighed, on average, 239 pounds (108 kg).

"It is a major issue because ... the patient may still have a tumor, the patient may have appendicitis, the patient may have other inflammatory processes," Uppot said.

"This is affecting radiologists all over the country."

NOTHING BUT STATIC

Ultrasounds are most affected, Uppot said.

"In an obese person because the ultrasound beam does not get to the organs or get to them adequately enough we cannot get a picture. It looks like a snowstorm -- I don't know if you have seen those televisions where it is just whiteout? It looks like that."

An MRI can get a good picture if the patient can fit into the tube or get onto the table, Uppot said. Some manufacturers have started to make MRI machines with larger bore holes, but with the cost in the millions of dollars per machine, only large groups or institutions can afford them.

Siemens Medical Solutions of Siemens AG has seen the market potential. "Increase Your Physician Referral Base with 1.5 Tesla MRI for Obese and Claustrophobic Patients" the company says on its Internet website http://www.medical.siemens.com.

"It is a market out there. People who are taking advantage of it are making money," Uppot said. "We are in the process of buying and installing three of these machines."

One problem is with gastric bypass surgery, where the patients are by definition obese, Uppot said.

"If there is some complication -- abdominal pain or and infection or fever -- they are invariably at higher risk of not being able to be imaged with a CT or MRI," Uppot said.

"For the surgeon, he doesn't want to take the patient back to surgery to explore to see what the problem is," he added.

"For the patient, not knowing what is going on is a big issue. If you tell a patient 'I am sorry -- we just can't sit you on our CAT scanner', that is devastating to hear."




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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5911422 - 07/29/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:  "..their fat is too dense for X-rays or sound waves to penetrate"


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5911424 - 07/29/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Wow.

I just ordered two steak gyros slathered in tartar sauce. They should be here in 5 minutes.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5911427 - 07/29/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I forsee oneday that when people order fast food it will come with a warning lable much like cigs.

Oh well, I'm not fat, nor do I eat that shit. :P

Wonder if fat protects against that meth gun?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5911431 - 07/29/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Does this mean that the meek will indeed not inherit the earth, but the fattest because they will have a protective sheath against the impending nuclear fallout?


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    #5911438 - 07/29/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5911458 - 07/29/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Damn......all I have to say is damn.....that's really sad.  A large group of people that are more in need of medical attention, treatment and testing than most & they can't get tested....that sucks.  With all the money in the world you'd think we'd be able accommodate these people somehow.  We can vaporise cities, but we can't give obese folks proper medical care....sad. :nonono:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911462 - 07/29/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
How people can find pleasure in the chronic illness of others is beyond me.




I didn't say I find pleasure in the chronic illness of other people funny, I just find it crazy that people would put themselves in that situation in the first place through sheer gluttony  :crazy:


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    #5911468 - 07/29/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911476 - 07/29/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't want to be mean, and i know what its like to have a weight problem.
But its your own damb fault. Don't want to be fat anymore? Put down the fork.

Excersise. Diets don't do SHIT without excersise. Walk around the block today. Do it again tommarow. Mabey walk alittle bit farther the next day. Its not hard.
Don't be a victim. Again, no disrespect, but you'v got to take responsibility for your own life.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5911499 - 07/29/06 09:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't want to be mean, and i know what its like to have a weight problem.
But its your own damb fault. Don't want to be fat anymore? Put down the fork.

Excersise. Diets don't do SHIT without excersise. Walk around the block today. Do it again tommarow. Mabey walk alittle bit farther the next day. Its not hard.
Don't be a victim. Again, no disrespect, but you'v got to take responsibility for your own life.




exactly.

obese people are not victims - they are responsible for the condition they are in - not their genes. genetic disposition to be fat only means you have to a duty to exercise and eat healthy that much more. And if you cant hold that duty, dont complain.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911502 - 07/29/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There are some people who are fat and it isn't their fault. Some examples would be people who are on medication or who have screwed up glands and shit like that.

But, when it comes to 95% of the people in America who are fat...it's their own damn fault.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911506 - 07/29/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The dietary and exercise habits of Americans are the problem here, and that's a fact. No amount of genetic predisposition can make up for it, and it's misguided to have a victim mentality. People aren't overweight in the rest of the world like they are in the U.S., so they're obviously doing something different. They walk and ride bikes a hell of a lot more, whereas Americans drive everywhere. They eat three meals a day of generally healthier food, while Americans snack throughout the day on artificial fatty and sugary crap.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5911508 - 07/29/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I once read a news article where a woman was too fat to fit into a human-sized CAT scan machine, so they actually hauled her to a zoo and they used a machine designed for an elephant (or other such large animal).

If I could find that article I would post it, but you will have to take my word for it.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: supercollider]
    #5911517 - 07/29/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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supercollider said:
The dietary and exercise habits of Americans are the problem here, and that's a fact. No amount of genetic predisposition can make up for it, and it's misguided to have a victim mentality. People aren't overweight in the rest of the world like they are in the U.S., so they're obviously doing something different. They walk and ride bikes a hell of a lot more, whereas Americans drive everywhere. They eat three meals a day of generally healthier food, while Americans snack throughout the day on artificial fatty and sugary crap.




i.e. it's their own damn fault.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5911519 - 07/29/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, this thread is incredible. Dreamer is really not as simple as your making it sound. There are a lot of different factors to weight gain and weight loss. Simply saying put down the fork is neither helpful or insightful. In fact its offensive and the type of attitude that breeds eating disorder.

Stress and anxiety are also causes of weight gain. What would your simplistic answer to that one be? Quit your job? Unfortunately that isn't really an option for many people.

So many heavy men and women are stuck in a rut of eating healthy, feeling bad about it because simpletons say "put down the fork", and then comes the onset of depression and anxiety.

That isn't even the short of it, but I'm not a doctor and I can't give you every other factor involved. Can you do me a favor though? Think before you speak and it will do the rest of the world a lot of good.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5911532 - 07/29/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Whatever dude.
"Oh, i'm stressed out, so i'll eat fast food all day. Why don't i become addicted to Heroine too. Its not my fault, i'm sensitive."

I'm fat, but i'm not going to blame it on somebody else.

Personal Responsibility. Try it sometime.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5911533 - 07/29/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's pretty simple; if you want to be at a healthy weight you need to eat healthy food and exercise.  Note that this takes work and a lot of Americans don't want to put the work into it.  Could you imagine how the obesity rates would go down if people cut their fast food intake and took a 30 minute walk everyday?  We're a lazy nation.  :shrug:

I have the exact opposite problem as most Americans; I'm underweight.  In order to get any muscle on me I need to eat like a pig and lift weights constantly.  The second I stop doing either of those things I become scrawny again.  I am currently scrawny because I stopped my regimen of eating a lot and working out.  Who's fault is it?  Mine.  I'm not going to blame my metabolism or society in general.  It's my own damn fault.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911553 - 07/29/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry for jacking this thread, and making a thread that was about making fun of obese people turn into abrasively blaming obese people.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5911560 - 07/29/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

("Oh, I'm stressed out, so I'll eat fast food all day. Why don't i become addicted to Heroine too. Its not my fault, I'm sensitive.")

Stress alone causes weight gain. Its a medical fact that if your stressed all the time and still eating healthy and exercising that you will not lose weight as well as if you aren't stressed.

I'm not trying to say that its anyone else's fault and not laying blame on anything else. But I think you guys are really simplifying an issue that isn't as simple as seems.

Randal- Your metabolism is one of the reasons your "scrawny" whether you acknowledge that or not it is a reason. Your body is a machine and it works the way it does for a reason. Say you were to examine your diet you would find that you don't have to eat ever thing in site to bulk up you only need to find out what certain types of foods your body is burning the fastest. Some people need more carbs, some people need more protein, more calcium, more iron etc etc.

Its all in the way your body works.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911567 - 07/29/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Abrasively, No. I think were all being fairly respectful. Its not our fault that you are sensitive about your weight.

Blaming obese people, YES. You are not cancerous, you didn't get beaten by a fat stick, you eat to much, and don't exercise enough. I'm in the same boat.
If you were a meth junkie, would you still claim to be a victim of outside forces?
What if you were addicted to cigarettes. I bet the big tobacco company's are to blame.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5911573 - 07/29/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:
There are some people who are fat and it isn't their fault. Some examples would be people who are on medication or who have screwed up glands and shit like that.

But, when it comes to 95% of the people in America who are fat...it's their own damn fault.



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Re: Fat Americans [Re: stefan]
    #5911594 - 07/29/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Also it seems like part of it is hereditary.. everyone in my family always had a fast metabolism and was skinny. It was passed on to me and I can eat as much of anything I want yet not gain any weight at all.
Sometimes I try to eat like a slob and sit around doing nothing, but for the life of me I can't gain weight. :shrug:

Seems like some of the so called overweight people are too worried about it. Fuck the standards or whatever that make everyone want to be skinny.

As long as a persons weight does not pose a health problem, they should just accept it and be proud of who they are. I don't think being heavy makes anyone less attractive than if they were skinny.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5911600 - 07/29/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

CheeseBurgers, LOL


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5911603 - 07/29/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Randal- Your metabolism is one of the reasons your "scrawny" whether you acknowledge that or not it is a reason.




Of course my metabolism affects how my body is. But, it is up to me to work hard to get to a certain type of physical health. Some people are naturally chunky. Some are naturally skinny. If you want to be at a healthy weight it takes work. Yes, you might have to fight your body a little...but health does not come easy. You have to stay active and you have to eat well. These things take time and effort. A lot of people don't feel like putting forth the time and effort. Hence the high obesity rates.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5911604 - 07/29/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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What if you were addicted to cigarettes. I bet the big tobacco company's are to blame.




I've broken with the addiction of smoking two packs a day. Never ever have I blamed any companies for it.

I guess obesity threads in the Pub are like n*gger threads in OTD: either you come to listen to the vulgar choir of moral rejection, or you take part in it. The lack of empathy and the indiscriminate moral rejection of whole groups of people in this thread is sickening.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911609 - 07/29/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It is hard to feel empathy for people who put themselves in a particular situation.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5911633 - 07/29/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Fat people need to stop being lazy and start exercising.

And put down the McDonalds.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911634 - 07/29/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
I guess obesity threads in the Pub are like n*gger threads in OTD: either you come to listen to the vulgar choir of moral rejection, or you take part in it. The lack of empathy and the indiscriminate moral rejection of whole groups of people in this thread is sickening.




Let's get down to the meat of the issue:

1. People are way too sensitive nowadays.

2. People do not want to take responsibility for themselves or their actions.

3. People like playing the victim.

4. People are afraid to admit their faults and they like blaming these faults on exterior things.


What this world needs is more blunt people who can admit the truth and who can run their own lives. For example, I have many problems in my life. About 98% have been caused by myself. Do I whine about them occassionally? Of course...we all do that. Do I blame anybody else? No. I am my own person and I have a backbone.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5911640 - 07/29/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The only reason I'll feel bad for a fat person is if they have some kind of disorder. That's never the case in America. Most Americans are lazy fatties who like to fill their bodies with shitty fast food and have liek twelve thousand babies and never leave the couch because the newest reality show is on.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5911642 - 07/29/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sad but true.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5911643 - 07/29/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's not my fault I'm fat!

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: eris]
    #5911651 - 07/29/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

That is an extremely forward thinking point of view. I must say its nice to here. This subject is somewhat near and dear to my heart. Everyone in my family is over weight and we do struggle with it. On the flip side we are all the healthiest group of fat people you've ever met. No history of diabetes, heart disease... every one of us has great cholesterol, great blood pressure (low if anything). We're all as strong as horses... We just tend to be curvy women.

*shrug*
I approach from a medical point of view and people still feel the need to "poo poo" all over curves. Oh well... I pose this one question though.... How healthy are the bean poles? How healthy are the men and women who eat laxatives and diet soda to maintain the idea of "mainstream" beauty?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5911665 - 07/29/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Àpart from the topic:

Quote:

It is hard to feel empathy for people who put themselves in a particular situation.




Is it? I mean: seriously?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911675 - 07/29/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Charming P.M.

Nobody is "moral rejecting" overweight people. If you aren't comfortable with who you are, than why aren't you trying to change? Instead your taking your insecurities, and lashing out at others who aren't sympathizing with your status as a Victim.

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911679 - 07/29/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

All the large people i know eat way too much, all that extra weight has to come from somewhere.
I'm not sure but if your metabolism's slow doesn't that mean you don't need to eat as much as everybody else.

If a fat person has ever lost any weight before and is still overweight then it's that persons fault for their condition, because they have already proved it's possible to lose the weight.
I fully believe anybody can lose weight if they want too.

Weight shouldn't make a difference to anybody, it's when people complain about being obese then don't do anything to help themselves that people get pissed.
Ive seen that attitude in 90% of the fat people ive ever met.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5911684 - 07/29/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If you want to be skinny stop drinking soda. SODA IS FOR FAT PEOPLE.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5911691 - 07/29/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This fat girl I went to high school with ate a dozen donuts in one class, then she was drinking soda, then she was eating candy bars.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911694 - 07/29/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"It is hard to feel empathy for people who put themselves in a particular situation."

Normally, no. I can sympathize with people who have addiction problems, as i have been there before. I can symathize with overwieght people, because i, and many people i love struggle with weight issues.
I'm not gonna feel sorry for you, because you take the stance that you have no control over your obesity, and anyone that says otherwise can fuck off. In so many words:smirk:.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5911697 - 07/29/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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If you want to be skinny stop drinking soda.




I lost 60lbs in about 3 months when I cut out soft drinks, gatoraid and desert


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5911700 - 07/29/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not sure but if your metabolism's slow doesn't that mean you don't need to eat as much as everybody else.



Yes that is true... Faster metabolism, more food... Slower metabolism, less food. You have to know how to feed your metabolism though. Certain people require certain ratios of food.
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If a fat person has ever lost any weight before and is still overweight then it's that persons fault for their condition, because they have already proved it's possible to lose the weight.



I myself am working on losing weight. My goal weight would still leave me over weight. Thats what I want though. I want my curves, I love my ass, I love my tits. I love the soft curve of my stomach.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5911702 - 07/29/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I can sympathize with people who have addiction problems




in many cases it's self control problems, lazyness and selfesteem, it seldom actualy has anything to do with addiction


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5911708 - 07/29/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Soda is the worst fucking thing for you, over weight or under weight its just bad.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5911714 - 07/29/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

gatorade is no different, it's disguised as somewhat healthy because they claim it replenishes electrolites


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5911720 - 07/29/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed... there is so much sugar in gatorade. Hell they market propel as water and I don't know about anyone else but I don't consider anything with sugar in it Water.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5911725 - 07/29/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Charming P.M.




Thank you *****

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Nobody is "moral rejecting" overweight people.




Really?

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If you aren't comfortable with who you are, than why aren't you trying to change?




What can you possibly know of my diets, exercise regimens etc.?

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lashing out at others who aren't sympathizing with your status as a Victim.




I'm not saying anything about anyone being a victim. I am talking about basic human respect however. *****

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I don't feel sorry for you.




You don't have to, nor do I want you to.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5911728 - 07/29/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

mikeyyork said:
I'm not sure but if your metabolism's slow doesn't that mean you don't need to eat as much as everybody else.



Yes that is true... Faster metabolism, more food... Slower metabolism, less food. You have to know how to feed your metabolism though. Certain people require certain ratios of food.
Quote:

mikeyyork said:
If a fat person has ever lost any weight before and is still overweight then it's that persons fault for their condition, because they have already proved it's possible to lose the weight.



I myself am working on losing weight. My goal weight would still leave me over weight. Thats what I want though. I want my curves, I love my ass, I love my tits. I love the soft curve of my stomach.




Good  :smile:
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Mike_yy]
    #5911745 - 07/29/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Well thank you :smile:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911757 - 07/29/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No posting of PM's allowed.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911776 - 07/29/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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What can you possibly know of my diets, exercise regimens etc.?




Since you are taking the thread very personally, why not share to defend yourself?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5911777 - 07/29/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"I don't believe in 'body flaws.' To believe in them, you have to believe in one single ideal body, and I emphatically do not! I know what I am supposed to look like -- I'm supposed to look like me! And since no one can look more like me than me, I'm as close to perfect as it gets. I don't need to look like anyone else OR any other version of myself.

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5911778 - 07/29/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Dreamers right, as a kid I had Sever's disease, which made it impossible for me to even walk 1/8 of a mile without being in horrible pain in my ankle (My tendon was too short for my foot/ankle)and I gained A LOT of weight, I hit 330 pounds in 8th grade, but as I got older I took it upon myself to lose the weight, exercise, and eat right. I now am at about 215, and at this weight its harder to lose the pounds, but I still try actively.

Its a personal responsibility for everyone to discipline themselves and do the work for yourself and your own health. Anyone who doesn't have a disease that causes it, has NO excuse for being morbidly obese.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5911787 - 07/29/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DrunkenCowgirl said:
Indeed... there is so much sugar in gatorade. Hell they market propel as water and I don't know about anyone else but I don't consider anything with sugar in it Water.




if it were simply refined sugars, that wouldnt be so bad but your body simply cant
process glucose-fructose syrups properly, ever wonder why ailments like obesity
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    #5911802 - 07/29/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You brought it up and I'm not C&P, but I'll remove the references nontheless.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Organic]
    #5911815 - 07/29/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Since you are taking the thread very personally, why not share to defend yourself?




I shared, but then the blame game started, so I un-shared by deleting said posts.

I'm keeping an eye out, but I won't make the mistake of sharing again in this thread. There is no need for me to defend myself, even tough the atmosphere does seem to lean towards that.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911823 - 07/29/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

hypothyroid?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5911914 - 07/29/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Also, as well as a (pre-diabetic) tendency to overshoot the mark with insulin release, but the thing that really bags it is a couple of metabolism-disrupting pharms, which I can't quit.

Theres plenty of lifestyle stuff which I'm working on, but that alone will not get it done. People should not oversimplify matters.

There are people who seem to overeat without a physical need, but there also are people who by their nature tend to either gain or lose too much weight.

There are numerous people who have to fight to retain enough weight, because without forcefeeding themselves they wither away. No moral stigma is put on that, nor are they blamed as it being "their own damn fault".

Society's response to obesity is the sole reason for anorexia, often in people who never were obese to begin with.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911921 - 07/29/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Whereever you are you put yourself there or you let yourself remain there.


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    #5911931 - 07/29/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Whereever you are you put yourself there or you let yourself remain there.




Tell that to the people in downtown Heroshima who had the sky fell down on them at a thousand kilometers a second.

Suppose a junkie sees the police and hurls his gear away, his AIDS needle landing in your thigh. Is that your fault?

Is it okay to blame people with arthritis or gout for consistently having drank too few glasses of water a day throughout their lives?
Because often that is the case.

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911940 - 07/29/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Living in a country that was being bombed daily and knowing full well that death could come at any second counts as "letting yourself remain there". 

But, that is irrelevant to this conversation.  We are talking about what a person's fat content is.  This fat content is completely controlled by the individual and it can be regulated by eating good food and exercising.  Simple as that.  :shrug:


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    #5911946 - 07/29/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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We are talking about what a person's fat content is. This fat content is completely controlled by the individual and it can be regulated by eating good food and exercising. Simple as that.




And now we are at the very core of the issue.

It is NOT that simple.

The overwhelming majority of obese people under professional guidance of doctors cannot keep the weight off for a lifetime.

OK, it is the patients fault
And its the doctor's fault

Umm, newsflash: the cure isnt working

Diet and exercise, once you are truly obese, are never a cure. Its at most damage control, but in most cases actually makes things worse.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5911947 - 07/29/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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"I don't believe in 'body flaws.' To believe in them, you have to believe in one single ideal body, and I emphatically do not! I know what I am supposed to look like -- I'm supposed to look like me! And since no one can look more like me than me, I'm as close to perfect as it gets. I don't need to look like anyone else OR any other version of myself.

I don't have flaws -- and neither do you. What we have are differences, and they are what make us beautiful, what make us unique, what make us who we are." - Anonymous fatty*




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Re: Fat Americans [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5911965 - 07/29/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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But, that is irrelevant to this conversation.  We are talking about what a person's fat content is.  This fat content is completely controlled by the individual and it can be regulated by eating good food and exercising.  Simple as that.  :shrug:



haha no it's not. simple as that. :smirk:
maybe you should read up about the subject before stating false facts.

again, for most fat people that is the case, but definitely not for all.


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    #5911969 - 07/29/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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The overwhelming majority of obese people under professional guidance of doctors cannot keep the weight off for a lifetime.




Because the overwhelming majority of obese people who lose weight and gain it back stop exercising, start hitting the cookie jar again, and everything goes to shit. And they wonder why the pounds come back on...

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Diet and exercise, once you are truly obese, are never a cure. Its at most damage control, but in most cases actually makes things worse.




??? Actually taking care of yourself makes things worse? That's news to me.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: stefan]
    #5911971 - 07/29/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:
But, that is irrelevant to this conversation.  We are talking about what a person's fat content is.  This fat content is completely controlled by the individual and it can be regulated by eating good food and exercising.  Simple as that.  :shrug:




haha no it's not. simple as that. :smirk:
maybe you should read up about the subject before stating false facts.

again, for most fat people that is the case, but definitely not for all.




My statement pertained to people who are overweight and can control it (which is most).  I was not referring to people who have afflictions or medications that are causing weight gain that is beyond their control.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5911972 - 07/29/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Diet and exercise, once you are truly obese, are never a cure. Its at most damage control, but in most cases actually makes things worse.




???  Actually taking care of yourself makes things worse?  That's news to me.



I'd like to know what he means here too


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911974 - 07/29/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Those situations can't really be compared to obesity.


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    #5911977 - 07/29/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hee, net op tijd :wink:

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for most fat people that is the case, but definitely not for all.




Well its not even true for most fat people. Even if you are healthy as can be, but to prove a point gain lets say 50lbs of fat and keep it on for a year or two, this being obese will have fucked your health and inner equilibriums up so much, that you may lose it with ease, but it will for the rest of your life try to get back on again.

Thats the real problem: By overindulging in the wrong foods people acquire the metabolic disorder that is tendency to be obese.

Once you have been too fat for long enough it will become the weight tour body tries to achieve, its like a rubber band: stretch it for long enough and it wont shrink back to the small size it was because the stretching broke it.


As for the making things worse: in their utter desparation the diets and exercise regimens some people resort to, are far more unhealthy than remaining obese itself is.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5911989 - 07/29/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I used to be really skinny, but then in college I started eating a lot of unhealthy foods. Over time, I developed a pot belly. I was flabby and unfit. But then I decided to do something about it. I changed my diet and started working out 5 days a week. Guess what? It's working. I'm almost back to normal now. Newsflash: Diet and exercise works.

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    #5911993 - 07/29/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Those situations can't really be compared to obesity.





Oook, what can you compare obesity to then?


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    #5911999 - 07/29/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Once you have been too fat for long enough it will become the weight tour body tries to achieve, its like a rubber band: stretch it for long enough and it wont shrink back to the small size it was because the stretching broke it.




Bull. Anybody can lose weight. It just takes hard work and sweat.

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As for the making things worse: in their utter desparation the diets and exercise regimens some people resort to, are far less unhealthy than remaining obese itself is.




It is possible to diet in an unhealthy way...and this is dangerous. But, being obese sure as hell isn't healthy either. The possibility for diabetes, stroke, high blood pressure, and heart disease all increase dramatically with excessive weight.

I repeat: Being obese is not healthy.


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    #5912003 - 07/29/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Stress alone causes weight gain. Its a medical fact that if your stressed all the time and still eating healthy and exercising that you will not lose weight as well as if you aren't stressed.





NEGATIVE. THIS JUST IN: CONSERVATION OF MASS.

If you don't eat it... it won't be in your body.

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Its all in the way your body works.




Ahhh you said something sensible after all.
If only you hadn't opened by disputing the "personal responsibility" argument.

It is all about how your body works.
Learn about it. Respect it. Take responsibility for it.
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    #5912007 - 07/29/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I changed my diet and started working out 5 days a week. Guess what? It's working. I'm almost back to normal now. Newsflash: Diet and exercise works.




If you were obese enough for long enough, newsflash: welcome to Hell.

If you were too fat for too long you may think you have it beat, but you will have to struggle for it in 2007, 2017, 2027 end so on.

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5912009 - 07/29/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Oook, what can you compare obesity to then?




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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5912018 - 07/29/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Well its not even true for most fat people. Even if you are healthy as can be, but to prove a point gain lets say 50lbs of fat and keep it on for a year or two, this being obese will have fucked your health and inner equilibriums up so much, that you may lose it with ease, but it will for the rest of your life try to get back on again.

Thats the real problem: By overindulging in the wrong foods people acquire the metabolic disorder that is tendency to be obese.



I really doubt that can't be reversed. I believe your body will adjust to a new equilibrium again after being not-fat for long enough.

Besides that, most people who are fat don't seem to try HARD to do something about it, even when they really want to. Some do, and it can be done.


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    #5912021 - 07/29/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I changed my diet and started working out 5 days a week. Guess what? It's working. I'm almost back to normal now. Newsflash: Diet and exercise works.




If you were obese enough for long enough, newsflash: welcome to Hell.

If you were too fat for too long you may think you have it beat, but you will have to struggle for it in 2007, 2017, 2027 end so on.

I'm sorry, I hope you escaped it but if you didn't you're phukt.



If people have to "struggle" with anything, it's the temptation to go back to your old habits. Show me someone who actually stuck with a regiment of a healthy diet and regular exercise and still put the pounds back on.


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    #5912022 - 07/29/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I guarantee you that if you start doing cardio, eating healthy food, counting your calories, and stick with it you will lose a shitload of weight.


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    #5912026 - 07/29/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Bull. Anybody can lose weight. It just takes hard work and sweat.




I might well have lost your entire bodyweight throughout my lifetime. But guess what, you can't keep it off.

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I repeat: Being obese is not healthy.




Some people can well be thirty pounds over the norm and be perfectly healthy, but no, you're stating the obvious.


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    #5912029 - 07/29/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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If people have to "struggle" with anything, it's the temptation to go back to your old habits. Show me someone who actually stuck with a regiment of a healthy diet and regular exercise and still put the pounds back on.




Exactly. When people "yo-yo" and gain all the weight back...it's because they stopped exercising and started eating crap again.


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    #5912034 - 07/29/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I might well have lost your entire bodyweight throughout my lifetime. But guess what, you can't keep it off.



right, but now we're talking about people with no medical conditions that could be held accound for the gaining of weight


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    #5912044 - 07/29/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Once you have been too fat for long enough it will become the weight tour body tries to achieve, its like a rubber band: stretch it for long enough and it wont shrink back to the small size it was because the stretching broke it.





So whos fault was it for getting fat in the first place?


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    #5912098 - 07/29/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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although weight loss can be accomplished over short intervals, long-lasting effects are difficult to sustain. This is not really a failure per se, but it does relate to the important fact that once the overweight/obese condition has been in place for years, the brain regulates your metabolism around this weight (body fat) and tries to defend it against permanent reduction. This type of biological regulation may have been advantageous during periods in history when food was less available.





The AHA can do nothing but say "try, try, and try again". And they should say that. But the bottom line, by their own admission, is that once you have been fat enough for long enough, your body will do everything in its power to return to that obese weight and it will keep on doing it until your so-called willpower and all the beautiful motivations you have, will crumble to dust.

You cannot "turn off" genetic obesity. You can only suppress it, but suppress it you must until the day you die.

My bloodline was obese in the 1900s, the 1800s and probably in the centuries before that. Hopefully not anymore in 2100, but then it will be by medical intervention, because in some people, like my family, it is in fact a disease.

Read between the lines people!

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The good news is that even a modest weight loss can bring health improvements. In many cases, you can accomplish this by eating healthier, exercising and changing behaviors. For people who don't respond to lifestyle changes, prescription medications and surgical techniques are available to enhance the weight-loss process.

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The BAD news is, if you read between the lines, that NOT ALL CASES can accomplish this "by eating healthier, exercising and changing behaviors", and for those poor individuals who cannot keep weight off this way there is stuff like amphetamine pills and stapling your stomach shut so that you can't even eat the amount of veggies the American Heart Association says you need.

Diet pills only work for a few people or else every obese person out there would be on them, and be obese no more.

As for surgery: google the treatments that are available, read the reports of people who had this done years ago, and ask yourself whether you yourself would want to do this if you were in that position.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5912135 - 07/29/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So your body tries to maintain a weight you've had for years. Ok, but by that same logic, if you continually struggle to push the weight down, you can reach a new weight which your body will try to maintain. All this means is that it's a little harder to lose weight once you've kept it on for a while, but if you keep at it, it will get easier.


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    #5912152 - 07/29/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I found no official sources that state that if you keep it off for long enough then it would stay off. How I'd wish for that to be true, but the information I got is that "the rubber band loses its stretch" so you will never snap out of it.

You can bet I researched the shit out of this.
Once you're beneath the shallow promises, and read between the lines, there emerges the image that a growing number of people simply is fukt4lyfe and allthough they should keep on trying, should accept that there is no way out unless there's a breakthrough in medical science.

The large numbers of people BECOMING obese in the USA nowadays is definitely a matter for most of eating too much food that is too unhealthy. But once you're too obese for too long, it becomes a lifelong metabolic disease because you have in fact ruined your health forever.

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5912309 - 07/29/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I found no official sources that state that if you keep it off for long enough then it would stay off. How I'd wish for that to be true, but the information I got is that "the rubber band loses its stretch" so you will never snap out of it.



What you've posted so far suggests that once your body gets used to a certain wait, it will defend itself against changes in that weight. You seem to take that to mean that once you put on the weight, you can never put it off(though clearly there are examples that prove otherwise - just ask Jared from the Subway commercials). However, what it suggests to me is that the same would be true in both directions. That is, a person who puts on weight and maintains it for a number of years may have more difficulty losing it, but by the same logic, a person could lose weight and work to maintain it until it becomes normal for their body. The stuff you posted has merely suggested that the body gravitates towards a state of normality, but that that state can change over time.


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    #5912332 - 07/29/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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While you're enjoying our feature film, please remember to visit our snack bar to get a refreshing treat...

Let's all go to the lobby,
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    #5912335 - 07/29/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

They way I see it, people who are dangerously obese have a complete lack of will power and common sense. I guess some people abuse food because of emotional problems but that still isn't a good enough excuse. I think people need to just start getting more exercise, and quit making up excuses for their disgusting eating habits. In the wise words of Denis Leary "First day I wake up and cant see my dick, I stop eating!". It's that simple... just start eating better and get some exercise.

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    #5912373 - 07/29/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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With 64 percent of the U.S. population either overweight or obese, the problem is worsening




good lord...this is depressing on so many levels  :sad:


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    #5912453 - 07/29/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

These are facts, although they don't want you to know it. Fat cells cannot be destroyed, only shrunk. This is why you see so much yo-yo dieting, Wiccian is close with that. HOWEVER, you can destroy fat cells through proper fasting, especially water. No, not fasting from your TV or sex, but not eating and entering into autolysis. In this stage your body will eat up and destroy what's not needed (be careful before you get pissed and think about what's REALLY needed) fat cells, goofed up proteins, etc. Most of what is also considered "fat" is impaction of the colon and the whole digestive tract, not to mention the retention of inorganic salt and the water that must surround it. I am a Christian, we are called to moderation and to fasting, REAL FASTING. However, I know a lot of you are atheist or agnostic, and that's none of my business however, I would suggest that if a person layed back, and told themselves the truth, they'd realize that as good as Arbys or Cheesecake may taste, in the wild, created by God for a purpose or just random circumstance, you shouldn't eat them because the crap is not good for you and it does not nourish the human species!! Nowhere in nature can you recieve life from death, and dead food impacts us, and kills us. Just my rant.


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    #5912600 - 07/29/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Nowhere in nature can you recieve life from death, and dead food impacts us, and kills us.




Actually, the food chain is based upon "receiving life from death," and it seems to be working quite well for all but the most basic organisms.  :grin:

As for the fast food chain, I agree completely.  :lol:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Veritas]
    #5912630 - 07/29/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I hate working out, but I do it anyway because I have an image of myself in my minds eye, and it's not a fat one. I used to be very slender at age 18, but when I become a recluse for 3 years, I gained a bunch of weight. Now I'm finally dropping it again, but it's taking time.

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    #5912657 - 07/29/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Also I've come to think of fast food as heroin. It helps deter me from eating it.


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    #5912675 - 07/29/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I learned for myself that it was possible for me to become overweight (after a lifetime of being too thin), and that I DID NOT LIKE IT. I lost 40 lbs. and have maintained a healthy weight for 4 years.

That said, I will comment on the discussion in this thread re: weight loss.

Weight loss, for many overweight people, involves the difficult process of restricting caloric intake, increasing daily activity level, and breaking long-standing habits which led to their weight gain in the first place. This is tough enough, as I'm sure several members here would agree.

For others who become and remain overweight, these difficult measures may have little to no long-term effect on their weight. Anyone who has diligently followed a strict diet and vigorous exercise program & seen no lasting results from their efforts would feel that they were fighting an unwinnable war.

To chastize overweight people for their lack of willpower is pointless. To insist that everyone who becomes overweight can reduce their weight through diet and exercise is incorrect.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Mushouse]
    #5912676 - 07/29/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Mushouse said:
I once read a news article where a woman was too fat to fit into a human-sized CAT scan machine, so they actually hauled her to a zoo and they used a machine designed for an elephant (or other such large animal).

If I could find that article I would post it, but you will have to take my word for it.




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Re: Fat Americans [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5912680 - 07/29/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I guess obesity threads in the Pub are like n*gger threads in OTD: either you come to listen to the vulgar choir of moral rejection, or you take part in it. The lack of empathy and the indiscriminate moral rejection of whole groups of people in this thread is sickening.




Let's get down to the meat of the issue:

1. People are way too sensitive nowadays.

2. People do not want to take responsibility for themselves or their actions.

3. People like playing the victim.

4. People are afraid to admit their faults and they like blaming these faults on exterior things.


What this world needs is more blunt people who can admit the truth and who can run their own lives. For example, I have many problems in my life. About 98% have been caused by myself. Do I whine about them occassionally? Of course...we all do that. Do I blame anybody else? No. I am my own person and I have a backbone.




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Re: Fat Americans [Re: MOTH]
    #5912712 - 07/29/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EllemyshShade said:
Also I've come to think of fast food as heroin.  It helps deter me from eating it.




Heroin... :drooling:

That just make fast food seem all the better for me. :rofl2:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: eris]
    #5912903 - 07/29/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

In my opinion, obesity is a symptom, not the disease. I don't mean a physiological or pyscological disease either, I mean a societal disease. While we are arguing over the causes and remedies of over-eating:

-815 million people are undernourished
-153 million children under age 5 are underweight
-11 million children under age 5 die every year, over half of hunger-related causes


It struck me as I was reading this thread how it would sound to someone in a third world country who struggles everyday just to live.

Think about this: We can go to McDonalds and get a cheesburger for $1.07.

-1.2 billion people live on less than $1/day

I'm not quite sure what my point is, but when overweight people bitch about how hard it is to lose weight, I almost throw up in disgust.

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    #5912957 - 07/29/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not quite sure what my point is, but when overweight people bitch about how hard it is to lose weight, I almost throw up in disgust.




Thats because you're not sure what your point is.
In countries like America it is typically the nations poor who are obese, because they simply cannot afford decent quality food, can't afford to go to a gym, and often lack the education to make informed decisions.

Junkfood, on the whole, is poor man's food.
Obesity for a large part is a poor man's problem.

And you're blaming them for world hunger? Amazing.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5912976 - 07/29/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Junkfood, on the whole, is poor man's food.
Obesity for a large part is a poor man's problem.




Thats fucking hilarious!!! Your just making this up as your going along aren't you!?!?!?  :crazy:


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    #5913017 - 07/29/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Thats fucking hilarious!!! Your just making this up as your going along aren't you!?!?!?





Hilarious is it?
Then lets laugh along with Science Daily and the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition:

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Researcher Links Rising Tide Of Obesity To Food Prices

Obesity in the United States is in part an economic issue, according to a review paper on the relationship between poverty and obesity published in the January 2004 edition of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. The article suggests that the very low cost of energy-dense foods may be linked to rising obesity rates.

The paper is by Dr. Adam Drewnowski, director of the Center for Public Health Nutrition in the University of Washington School of Public Health and Community Medicine, and Dr. S.E. Specter, research nutrition scientist at the U.S. Department of Agriculture Human Nutrition Research Center in Davis, Calif.

"It's a question of money," Drewnowski said. "The reason healthier diets are beyond the reach of many people is that such diets cost more. On a per calorie basis, diets composed of whole grains, fish, and fresh vegetables and fruit are far more expensive than refined grains, added sugars and added fats. It's not a question of being sensible or silly when it comes to food choices, it's about being limited to those foods that you can afford."

Energy-dense foods not only provide more calories per unit weight, but can provide more empty calories per unit cost. These foods include French fries, soft drinks, candy, cookies, deep-fried meats and other fatty, sugary and salty items. The review shows that attempting to reduce food spending tends to drive families toward more refined grains, added sugars and added fats. Previous studies have shown that energy-dense foods may fail to trigger physiological satiety mechanisms the internal signals that enough food has been consumed. These failed signals lead to overeating and overweight. Paradoxically, trying to save money on food may be a factor in the current obesity epidemic.

Many strategies for health promotion over the years have presumed that good nutrition was simply a matter of making the right choices. Drewnowski noted that access to healthier diets could be sharply limited in low-income neighborhoods simply because of the food environment and the nature of the available food supply.

"It is the opposite of choice," Drewnowski said. "People are not poor by choice and they become obese primarily because they are poor."

Drewnowski and Specter concluded that continuing to recommend costly foods to low-income families as a public health measure can only generate frustration among the poor and less well-educated. Americans are gaining weight while consuming more added sugars and added fats. They urge that issues of food costs demand attention.

"There is a need for governmental and policy interventions when it comes to the obesity epidemic," Drewnowski said. "The U.S. Department of Agriculture is addressing this issue with vigor. Government agencies and private foundations have identified childhood obesity as a priority area and are looking for ways to improve nutrition in the schools."

Obesity in the United States has become a social and economic issue that is resisting conventional medical approaches.

"Genetics and family history can predict whether you will become obese but then so can your ZIP code," Drewnowski said. "If poverty and obesity are truly linked, it will be a major challenge to stay poor and thin."

Source

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oh and errm, how about googling?

Web Results 1 - 100 of about 4,730,000 for poverty obesity.



I don't make these things up, its just that unlike almost anyone here I researched obesity.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913036 - 07/29/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Junkfood, on the whole, is poor man's food.
Obesity for a large part is a poor man's problem.

And you're blaming them for world hunger? Amazing.




I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just trying to put this whole thing in perspective. As far as junk food is concerned, it is the food of American poor. Thats what I meen by societal disease. Even the poor in America are over nurished. Wiccan_Seeker, I respect the hell out of you and you make some valid points, but try to look at the big picture here. I guess what I'm trying to point out is the other side of the coin, and how lucky we are live in a place where all we have to worry about is eating too much. If a person isn't bothered by being over weight, then they should enjoy it. However if a person is bothered by it, then they should do somthing about it and not make excuses, because people are dying from starvation. Again, this is only my oppinion and is not ment to be an attack on anyone. Perspective!


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913038 - 07/29/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Fat people can take responsibility.

I'm 260 pounds, I ate my way there.

Fuck the diets and exercise though, I am perfectly fine with staying overweight.


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    #5913043 - 07/29/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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"I don't believe in 'body flaws.' To believe in them, you have to believe in one single ideal body, and I emphatically do not! I know what I am supposed to look like -- I'm supposed to look like me! And since no one can look more like me than me, I'm as close to perfect as it gets. I don't need to look like anyone else OR any other version of myself.





So, you're supposed to look fat and lazy and of poor eating habits? I dont get it.

I do not believe for one second that the human body is designed to be overweight. Our bodies are designed to be physically active. And physically active individuals are not fat.


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    #5913048 - 07/29/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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These are facts, although they don't want you to know it.




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    #5913050 - 07/29/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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    #5913055 - 07/29/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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    #5913065 - 07/29/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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As far as junk food is concerned, it is the food of American poor.




I was talking about the American poor.

But the same goes for the third world: the third world equivalent is eating pancakes from flour and water (no salt, yeast, eggs etc) and this is precisely what the poorest people in the third world have to eat.

The definition of junkfood is "calorie-dense food low on nutrients."

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Even the poor in America are over nurished.




This is another un-truth. Most obese people in America are UNDER-nourished because they eat poor quality foods so that they are full of calories, but have nutrient deficiencies comparable to those found in the third world. This in some is responsible for voracious appetites: they keep eating but do not get what they need.

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If a person isn't bothered by being over weight, then they should enjoy it.




By allo means, even if this means reduced life expectancy. We as a drug community oucht to respect life choices like that. But for most, its not a choice.

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because people are dying from starvation.




People in America are dying from eating shitty food, in fact most do (heart disease etc) and up until that time bear the burden of obesity and the many diseases and ailments that follow in its wake, such as lower back problems, hernias and diabetes.


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    #5913068 - 07/29/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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So, you're supposed to look fat and lazy and of poor eating habits?




Hopw does being obese make somebody "look lazy"?
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    #5913076 - 07/29/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I do not believe for one second that the human body is designed to be overweight. Our bodies are designed to be physically active. And physically active individuals are not fat.




Humankind has evolved under conditions of constant famine. Under those conditions I'd be one of the fittest hunters of the group, taking on buffaloes with a spear while you would look for clever ways to steal honey from the bees with a stick :wink:

I'm 6ft 4in and my shouder width is an inch or two shy of 2ft.
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    #5913156 - 07/29/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

umm, how many fat people do you see run marathons or compete in the Olympics? Zero. Why? Because they are out of shape and are so lazy (or apathetic) to become healthier. I've never come across a fat person who wasnt lazy save those who are trying to better themselves with physical activity.

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Humankind has evolved under conditions of constant famine. Under those conditions I'd be one of the fittest hunters of the group, taking on buffaloes with a spear while you would look for clever ways to steal honey from the bees with a stick

I'm 6ft 4in and my shouder width is an inch or two shy of 2ft.
I guess that puts me on the hunting team.




Are you strong or just fat? I would agree with you if you had muscle-mass, but it sounds like you dont.


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    #5913161 - 07/29/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Eh, I'm overweight and it's partly my own fault, and partly the fault of the medication I take, but I'm not making excuses.

Having said that, I think 500+ Lb people who can't leave their house are truly disgusting.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913169 - 07/29/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Um.....hmmmm......What was this thread originally about? My train of thought just derailed. Wiccan_Seeker, you make some very good and valid points. I just have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that obesity is good, bad, or indiffernt?

As for me: Obesity= bad, Malnutrition= bad, personal responibilty= good, Imense gap between rich and poor= bad, My spelling= bad, Prejudice= bad, Education= good.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: EmperorKuzco]
    #5913172 - 07/29/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is it all good and bad? Any neutral?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Vvellum]
    #5913173 - 07/29/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Are you strong or just fat? I would agree with you if you had muscle-mass




I'm pretty strong :smirk:

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I would agree with you if you had muscle-mass but it sounds like you dont.




How on earth can it sound that I don't have muscle-mass?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: EmperorKuzco]
    #5913176 - 07/29/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I just have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that obesity is good, bad, or indiffernt?




Obesity if it poses a problem, which it often does, is a bad thing. An equally bad thing is it to generalize it and then blame and guilttrip people for their problems, as often there literally is no cure, only a means to try keep it from escalating further.
It is a very complex problem which defies simplification, and is burdened with a social stigma which often is undeserved.

Thats basically the message :smile:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: CherryBom]
    #5913183 - 07/29/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Is it all good and bad?  Any neutral?




I guess everything is inherently neutral.  We all bring our unique perpective to the issue,  with many shades of grey between the black and white, good or bad spectrum.  What I was trying to do is over simplify the issue to bring it back on track, because after awhile I forgot what my point was. :wink:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: EmperorKuzco]
    #5913191 - 07/29/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We are a country of over-indulgence. I fucking love it. :smirk:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: theuser]
    #5913193 - 07/29/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

*lights up a cigar*

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913201 - 07/29/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I just have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that obesity is good, bad, or indiffernt?




Obesity if it poses a problem, which it often does, is a bad thing. An equally bad thing is it to generalize it and then blame and guilttrip people for their problems, as often there literally is no cure, only a means to try keep it from escalating further.
It is a very complex problem which defies simplification, and is burdened with a social stigma which often is undeserved.

Thats basically the message :smile:




Very, very well said.  I have no argument with that. Me --> :ashamed:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913205 - 07/29/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"How on earth can it sound that I don't have muscle-mass?"

:lol:

  Honestly, I'm a fat American too, but I'm just a huge dude in general. The idea of people sitting around claiming that they cant lose weight is pretty pathetic. I agree with the idea with taking responsibility, whether or not ones weight is a conscious decision, it is a decision.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Vvellum]
    #5913256 - 07/29/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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umm, how many fat people do you see run marathons or compete in the Olympics? Zero. Why? Because they are out of shape and are so lazy (or apathetic) to become healthier. I've never come across a fat person who wasnt lazy save those who are trying to better themselves with physical activity.




He is a master of sambo and has won numerous world titles in sambo and combat sambo.
He has never been beaten in a professional mma fight ever.
He runs over six miles in addition to an eight hour+ training session every single day.
He could kill you in under a minute with his bare hands.
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5913299 - 07/29/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I see so many fat fucks everywhere in Utah, but I see people into excercise and going to the gym. I workout all the time now, hey I still smoke some and drink, so what you still need exercise even if you have bad habits.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Veritas]
    #5913376 - 07/29/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

When animals eat other animals, there are still active and living enzymes in the other animal (or plant) as they are not cooked. As far as have learned almost ALL animals after catching their prey go for the intestines where enzeymatic (sp) activity is highest.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5913408 - 07/29/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Hella, the American diet industry is bigger than porn and the NFL combined. They want you to belive that if you don't eat, your brain will get eaten up, or your liver will burst, or, or, or. Just like all the crap I heard before I was blessed enough to see through the crap and "eat my veggies". Most all of the Shamans would fast before they ingested shrooms, and for good reason. "They" don't want us to know any truth IMO. BTW, I dig your avatars.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: d33p]
    #5913416 - 07/29/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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d33p said:
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bi0 said:
umm, how many fat people do you see run marathons or compete in the Olympics? Zero. Why? Because they are out of shape and are so lazy (or apathetic) to become healthier. I've never come across a fat person who wasnt lazy save those who are trying to better themselves with physical activity.




He is a master of sambo and has won numerous world titles in sambo and combat sambo.
He has never been beaten in a professional mma fight ever.
He runs over six miles in addition to an eight hour+ training session every single day.
He could kill you in under a minute with his bare hands.
He is fat.




..omg that is not fat that is mostly muscle..some fat, so what?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: d33p]
    #5913426 - 07/29/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

About the LAST thing I would call the guy in that picture is fat.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: ChickenPotPie]
    #5913439 - 07/29/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

IMO fedor has high enough body fat to be called fat, he's not at all obese or unhealthy though.

How would you describe fedor in terms of body fat percentage? He certainly isn't cut and don't tell me big, husky, or chubby because those are all just euphemisms for fat.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: d33p]
    #5913451 - 07/29/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"Big" and "husky" are not mere euphemisms for fat. They are terms that accurately describe that man's build. But not "fat." This is fat:



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Re: Fat Americans [Re: d33p]
    #5913452 - 07/29/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Yes that is right, he has some body fat..some body fat is not bad anyway.. but that fucker has some energy level. wow!!


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Silversoul]
    #5913465 - 07/29/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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"Big" and "husky" are not mere euphemisms for fat. They are terms that accurately describe that man's build. But not "fat." This is fat:






That is retarded PC bullshit. Anyway, he does not just have a body fat percentage tending toward the higher side, he is carrying around a considerable amount of fat.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: d33p]
    #5913489 - 07/29/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Filthy, fat Americans and their excess of sex, drugs, TV and other pleasurable devices.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: d33p]
    #5913556 - 07/29/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Political correctness has nothing to do with it. They are different words describing related but distinct body types.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Silversoul]
    #5913564 - 07/29/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not fat yet:)


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: d33p]
    #5913566 - 07/29/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DrunkenCowgirl said:
"I don't believe in 'body flaws.' To believe in them, you have to believe in one single ideal body, and I emphatically do not! I know what I am supposed to look like -- I'm supposed to look like me! And since no one can look more like me than me, I'm as close to perfect as it gets. I don't need to look like anyone else OR any other version of myself.

I don't have flaws -- and neither do you. What we have are differences, and they are what make us beautiful, what make us unique, what make us who we are." - Anonymous fatty*




I find it funny when fat people try to rationalize being fat. Enjoy being fat.




First of all I didn't write, however I do find it inspiring. Secondly it was a friend of mine who is recovering from an eating disorder. Its not rationalizing being fat its enjoying who you are regardless of what ever flaws mainstream ideals say you have.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: d33p]
    #5913575 - 07/29/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Built like a brick shit house. I had a girlfriend who was like that. We ALL thought she was fat, but she had a HUGE ribcage, massive thighs, a round tummy, and no cellulite or rolls to speak of. She was freaking built.  :tongue: One of the few people who actually looked MUCH better naked than in clothes. Clothes didn't do her justice, and alas neither has time.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5913596 - 07/30/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Stress alone causes weight gain. Its a medical fact that if your stressed all the time and still eating healthy and exercising that you will not lose weight as well as if you aren't stressed.





NEGATIVE. THIS JUST IN: CONSERVATION OF MASS.

If you don't eat it... it won't be in your body.

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Its all in the way your body works.




Ahhh you said something sensible after all.
If only you hadn't opened by disputing the "personal responsibility" argument.

It is all about how your body works.
Learn about it. Respect it. Take responsibility for it.
Expect to get out an amount proportional to what you put in.




I've never disputed the "personal responsibility" argument. I am merely aware of other factors that can take effect in a weight loss pursuit. I am well aware of how a body works. I'm a massage therapy major and have taken extensive classes on how the body works... anatomy, pyshiology, pathology, naturopathic medicine and others.

Stress does take a physical toll on your body resulting in weight gain. It is not the only thing that causes weight gain as you cut the quote to make it seem that way. It is merely one factor of MANY.

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5913618 - 07/30/06 12:15 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Fatty fatty bo batty fe fi fo fatty

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Vvellum]
    #5913626 - 07/30/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DrunkenCowgirl said:
"I don't believe in 'body flaws.' To believe in them, you have to believe in one single ideal body, and I emphatically do not! I know what I am supposed to look like -- I'm supposed to look like me! And since no one can look more like me than me, I'm as close to perfect as it gets. I don't need to look like anyone else OR any other version of myself.





So, you're supposed to look fat and lazy and of poor eating habits? I dont get it.

I do not believe for one second that the human body is designed to be overweight. Our bodies are designed to be physically active. And physically active individuals are not fat.




Oh the misinterpretation of this quote. Its not a quote saying its "okay" to be fat. Its a a quote that inspires people to enjoy yourself and your life the way you are.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913630 - 07/30/06 12:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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So, you're supposed to look fat and lazy and of poor eating habits?




Hopw does being obese make somebody "look lazy"?
Prejudice, good sir!




Amen to that! I have worked hard all my life. I've ridden horse back for years until I started working 9 to 8 and going to school. I don't have a chance to be lazy.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913632 - 07/30/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I do not believe for one second that the human body is designed to be overweight. Our bodies are designed to be physically active. And physically active individuals are not fat.




Actaully its in our genetics to store everything we can for those times when food isn't boutiful. Unfortunatly we are no longer hunters and gathers.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5913643 - 07/30/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Not to start an argument with you cowgirl, but you know the reason I don't buy that argument? Show me ONE picture of a person in a death camp or who has been a POW and is overweight from ANY source, and I'll find a million pictures of dead jews and GI's from around the world who perished in military camps, whom are nothing but skin and bones at their death. What about the africans? They must feel some pressure, yet obesity is far from their main concern. Is there anyone under more stress than these folks?? And for the record, I graduated at a 29 inch waist, got up to a 39 1/4 inch by 21, and now carry a 29-30 on average. So I've lived all ends. Born skinny, got fat by way of gluttony, live skinny by way of lifestyle.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: ChickenPotPie]
    #5913653 - 07/30/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

The only fats a human can store for later use are plant fats. Cooked animal fats cannot be transformed into energy except by way of the human body using its own enzymes. Again, most of what we call "fat" is actually impaction and salt retention.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5913656 - 07/30/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Damn I didn't mean to over load this thread... I was just responding as I read. Anyhow,I figure I should close before I go to bed.

I'm overweight. I'm over weight because I like food. I don't over eat but I do eat and I don't excersize as much as I should anymore. No ones fault... just a fact of life.
As for the simple solutions that many of you have posed... Its not that trivial. End of story.

I don't think I could say it better than Wiccan_Seeker...
"Obesity if it poses a problem, which it often does, is a bad thing. An equally bad thing is it to generalize it and then blame and guilttrip people for their problems, as often there literally is no cure, only a means to try keep it from escalating further.
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: ChickenPotPie]
    #5913667 - 07/30/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No arguements here. You are absolutly correct. My only reasoning for that would be that you arn't going to be heavy or gain weight from stress if your starving to death. What I'm trying to say is that people who eat a healthy diet everyday will gain weight if put under alot of stress. Thats not to say that someone who hasn't eaten in days and when they do eat it has no nutrional value.

By the way a 39 waist does not a fatty make :smile:

I hope everyone knows I'm not trying to pick a fight. There are so many sides to this. I'm just trying to get my point across.

Edited because I'm tired and spacey :smile:
I didn't realize that plant fat versus animal fat thing... You learn something new everyday huh?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5913708 - 07/30/06 01:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Here is my own story with fat. Just because I'm drinking tea until 2 and then I'm going to go write. So I'm killing time for fifteen minutes. I don't care about other people's weight, but I do care a hell of a lot about mine.

Three years ago, I didn't leave the apartment and I ate whatever the fuck I wanted. I made no effort to eat healthy foods. Fast food all the time. In fact, I couldn't resist temptation of buying foods I KNEW were bad for me. I would eat because I was bored, or lonely or whatever. Emotional problems. I'd eat, then feel horrible about all the crap I ate, and then eat more to counsol myself. I knew I was getting bigger, but it didn't hit home until I saw a pic of myself. I wanted to burn it, and then throw myself along in the fire. Then people started making hurtful comments. I thought my "pretty days" were done and over. I started cutting myself AGAIN because I hated my body so much. Hated. It. But still, I didn't change my diet and I didn't leave the apartment. Didn't exercise.

I started to trip a lot on shrooms, and I realized that I needed to take better care of myself. I saw I needed to change in order to be happy. So I started. For over a year, I didn't touch fried food. I exercised. And I lost weight, since exercising and eating right works for me. My biggest problem is consistancy. I eventually reach a plateau with my weight and have to step it up to lose any more. It's been a slowwwww process, but gradually, now that I'm 23, I'm reshaping my body into something I can live with. I know if I just keep it up, things will get better and better for me and my body.

The thing is...I really don't care about fat people. I just don't want to be overweight, personally. I want to be fit. In shape. I want to be able to see my muscles (like when I was 18 and had a six pack) and think, "hey, I look good," when I'm looking in the mirror. I'm not to THAT point yet, but I like myself more and more everyday, and it's all due to eating right and exercising. Really guys...good diet and exercise has saved/is saving my life. I'm busy as shit, but I owe it to myself to haul my ass on the treadmill or hit the bike trails everyday. I owe it to my vessel, my body. My machine.

So I don't know. I just felt like typing this out. Because for the time that I was honestly fat, I hated myself and I was stuck in this loop of not doing anything about it. So I owe it to shrooms for helping me CHOOSE to be healthier.

Like, I still have a ways to go before I'll streak naked downtown. But you can bet when I reach my goal weight, I'll be whooping it up and getting naked every chance I get.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: MOTH]
    #5913862 - 07/30/06 02:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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EllemyshShade said:The thing is...I really don't care about fat people. I just don't want to be overweight, personally.




That's how I am. I have a feeling that is how most people are. :shrug:



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Re: Fat Americans [Re: theuser]
    #5914553 - 07/30/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Something I just googled FYI. From HERE

I dont know if I agree with everything written, but It's more infor noe the less.

Also, before reading, understand that I am 6' 170 and despise the "American diet" of high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oil as well as the sedentary/lazy lifestyle exhibited by many Americans...


What Causes Obesity?
In scientific terms, obesity occurs when a person's calorie intake exceeds the amount of energy he or she burns. What causes this imbalance between consuming and burning calories is unclear. Evidence suggests that obesity often has more than one cause. Genetic, environmental, psychological, and other factors all may play a part.
Genetic Factors


Obesity tends to run in families, suggesting that it may have a genetic cause. However, family members share not only genes but also diet and lifestyle habits that may contribute to obesity. Separating these lifestyle factors from genetic ones is often difficult. Still, growing evidence points to heredity as a strong determining factor of obesity. In one study of adults who were adopted as children, researchers found that the subjects' adult weights were closer to their biological parents' weights than their adoptive parents'. The environment provided by the adoptive family apparently had less influence on the development of obesity than the person's genetic makeup.

Nevertheless, people who feel that their genes have doomed them to a lifetime of obesity should take heart. As discussed in the next section, many people genetically predisposed to obesity do not become obese or manage to lose weight and keep it off.

Environmental Factors


Although genes are an important factor in many cases of obesity, a person's environment also plays a significant part. Environment includes lifestyle behaviors such as what a person eats and how active he or she is. Americans tend to have high-fat diets, often putting taste and convenience ahead of nutritional content when choosing meals. Most Americans also don't get enough exercise.

People can't change their genetic makeup, of course, but they can change what they eat and how active they are. Some people have been able to lose weight and keep it off by:


Learning how to choose more nutritious meals that are lower in fat.
Learning to recognize environmental cues (such as enticing smells) that may make them want to eat when they are not hungry.
Becoming more physically active.

Psychological Factors

Psychological factors also may influence eating habits. Many people eat in response to negative emotions such as boredom, sadness, or anger.

While most overweight people have no more psychological disturbance than normalweight people, about 30 percent of the people who seek treatment for serious weight problems have difficulties with binge eating. During a binge eating episode, people eat large amounts of food while feeling they can't control how much they are eating. Those with the most severe binge eating problems are considered to have binge eating disorder. These people may have more difficulty losing weight and keeping the weight off than people without binge eating problems. Some will need special help, such as counseling or medication, to control their binge eating before they can successfully manage their weight.

Other Causes of Obesity


Some rare illnesses can cause obesity. These include hypothyroidism, Cushing's syndrome, depression, and certain neurologic problems that can lead to overeating. Certain drugs, such as steroids and some antidepressants, may cause excessive weight gain. A doctor can determine if a patient has any of these conditions, which are believed to be responsible for only about 1 percent of all cases of obesity.


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What Are the Consequences of Obesity?
Health Risks

Obesity is not just a cosmetic problem. It's a health hazard. Someone who is 40 percent overweight is twice as likely to die prematurely as an average-weight person. (This effect is seen after 10 to 30 years of being obese.)

Obesity has been linked to several serious medical conditions, including diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, and stroke. It is also associated with higher rates of certain types of cancer. Obese men are more likely than nonobese men to die from cancer of the colon, rectum, and prostate. Obese women are more likely than nonobese women to die from cancer of the gallbladder, breast, uterus, cervix, and ovaries.

Other diseases and health problems linked to obesity include:

Gallbladder disease and gallstones.
Osteoarthritis, a disease in which the joints deteriorate, possibly as a result of excess weight on the joints.
Gout, another disease affecting the joints
Pulmonary (breathing) problems, including sleep apnea, in which a person can stop breathing for a short time during sleep.
Doctors generally agree that the more obese a person is, the more likely he or she is to have health problems.
Psychological and Social Effects


One of the most painful aspects of obesity may be the emotional suffering it causes. American society places great emphasis on physical appearance, often equating attractiveness with slimness, especially in women. The messages, intended or not, make overweight people feel unattractive. Many people assume that obese people are gluttonous, lazy, or both. However, more and more evidence contradicts this assumption. Obese people often face prejudice or discrimination at work, at school, while looking for a job, and in social situations. Feelings of rejection, shame, or depression are common.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5914563 - 07/30/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

There was an article in todays paper, talking about obese kids today.
Saying that were not afraid to point it out to obese adults,
but we wont say the same thing to kids. :flowstone:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5914722 - 07/30/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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"It's a question of money," Drewnowski said. "The reason healthier diets are beyond the reach of many people is that such diets cost more. On a per calorie basis, diets composed of whole grains, fish, and fresh vegetables and fruit are far more expensive than refined grains, added sugars and added fats. It's not a question of being sensible or silly when it comes to food choices, it's about being limited to those foods that you can afford."




I call bullshit on that quote from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. I can cook up a huge pot of jambalaya, probably enough to feed me for nearly a week, for less than the cost of a McDonalds or Burger King meal. Same with Chinese food, I can cook up a huge wok full of chow mein for way less than takeaway food. Both of these dishes are tasty and nutritious.

At the end of the day it comes down to sheer lazyness, people can't be bothered to prepare their own food so they live off junk food.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5914733 - 07/30/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunatly lack of education(ignorance) plays a big role as well.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5914742 - 07/30/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I just dont see how people say they cant lose weight. I mean, if your comfortable with your weight, thats cool, more power to you! I just dont understand people who are like..."Man, I'm so fat, I wish I could do something."

Like the above snippet of an article states, if you consume less calories than you expend, you will lose weight! ITs that easy! Decent diet + Exercise = WEIGHT LOSS.

Guaranteed. No fancy machines or pills or supplements. Just run and eat veggies.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5914795 - 07/30/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I think I'm going to go get some taco bell. God, ultimate chulupas taste good.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: theuser]
    #5914856 - 07/30/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This post is exausting. It literally makes my fat ass want to get something to eat.
BRB


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5928841 - 08/03/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

(btw, i found this on craigslist)

oh dear god not this fibromybullshit crap again

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Lazy fat people
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Date: 2006-08-03, 1:17PM CDT


Mostly I'm apathetic to fat people, but sometimes I really want to throw them in a gym and take away their extra large DIET cokes(for some reason this is the current diet of every overweight person coming through the eating establishment I manage.) Drinking twice as much of something "diet" doesn't help...DUH. Every day I have to give pardon to you and any old decrepit person who feels the need to sit where I'm sitting. Why? Because I look young and seemingly healthy. Guess what- looks are decieving. You know what else isn't always what it appears? That fat lady everyone is whining about being lazy-who knows whats wrong with her? Really? I remember that every time I want to berate a heifer.
Growing up my mother was pretty overweight in varying states of walking throughout my adolescence: from wheelchair to cane to bedrest to unconscious on her way to the emergency room. What caused her weight gain? Try 6 miscarriages. Yes. 6. After the 6th they adopted my brother then 2 years later by miracle and c-section I was born. Now do you blame my mother for being overweight? Add to that Osteoarthritis. Now look ten years down the line as her spine is brittle and falling apart as she has 4 back surgeries, 1 emergency back surgery and two replaced knees....how hard is it to exercise when you're in recovery half your life?
To the person stating they really need the exercise because it is part of their treatment...Yes, yes they do, BUT extra walking on hard uneven concrete isn't always the best form of exercise. In many cases it could be one of the worst things to overdo. In my case, I suffer from Rheumatoid arthritis and Fibromyalgia. More exercise does nothing but imflame my pain and leave me bed-ridden, the wrong kind of exercise leaves me in bed for several days. Luckily I have been able to maintain a somewhat steady weight(never have I been more than 15 lbs "overweight") because I had myself diagnosed at a very young age(15). Everyone isn't always so lucky.
Can I get a handicapped tag? no. No matter the horror stories of veteran fibromyalgia sufferers, and the fact that I am doomed to be bedridden in about 20 or so years(I'm only in my 20s now).
Can my mother get SSI? NO. NEVER. No matter the number of times she filed or how legitimate her need is.
You never know what someones real problems are unless you know them. Quit assuming fat people always have a choice. And don't assume every seemingly healthy person with a handicap tag is borrowing it from their grandma.
Appreciate your own health in whatever degree of it you actually have and don't whine about a few extra steps to the store to buy your junk food.



>>>you are a liar and a faker, and full of shit, and as the other person put it, we already established that 10% were not lazy, so shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down and quit being a goddamn burden on society with your fucking made up fibromybullshit disease.

for fucks sake.


this is in or around LIAR

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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5928880 - 08/03/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

obese people are all like  :fatbastard:
and Im all like  :scream:


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