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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Spooge]
    #6505981 - 01/28/07 07:15 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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As for heriditary obesity....I clearly have "fat genes" but with the proper steps it won't be my excuse.





Genetics does play a small part . Children of obese parents are 10 times more likely to become odese .

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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: HippieChick]
    #6505990 - 01/28/07 07:17 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

But couldnt this be because they eat what their parents eat and do what their parents do?

I mean, if the parents dont have a healthy lifestyle, which they obviously dont in these cases I would think it would follow that the kids would have the same outlook.


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Spooge]
    #6505998 - 01/28/07 07:19 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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But that doesn't mean anything. I'm assuming it was daily? That's the sort of dedication and hard work it would take....but STILL...if you are eating more calories and fatty foods than you burn, that 10 miles is for nothing. Also, like buddy said, I hope that was something you worked up to?





As you know you don't run to burn calories while running, but to enhance basal metabolism. The training years my knees and back put a stop to that - too heavy for running.
And muscle became fat once more, dozens and dozens of pounds of it.

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But wiccan, I'm almost sure that all of that was caused by the obeseity in the first place.




Almost is not quite. My heart condition is entirely hereditary, my coronary arteries are everywhere except where they should be. For the record, I got my heart attack age 30 and am 34 now.

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As for heriditary obesity....I clearly have "fat genes" but with the proper steps it won't be my excuse.




It may be recessive in you, or perhaps you're just a bit slower to gain weight. I can tell you that you won't like what a good sports injury can do with your delicate equilibrium.


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6506017 - 01/28/07 07:29 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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I have a very serious heart condition, it doesn't stop me from running, biking , having sex, or doing anything else that raises my heart rate.





Ah but you know that every heart condition is different. I've got malformations in my coronary arteries and a tendency for cardiac oxygen starvation and (dangerous) coronary vasospasm.

If they'll take my I'll do most of the training under medical supervision in a physiotherapy center. (bless my good insurance!)

My condition is thus that at any moment I could drop dead by heart attack, which is quite something to learn to live with. How you deal with those things is very individual.

I assume you have a heart rhythm disturbance ofd sorts? Are you on pharms or operated on?


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #6506018 - 01/28/07 07:29 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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But couldnt this be because they eat what their parents eat and do what their parents do?

I mean, if the parents dont have a healthy lifestyle, which they obviously dont in these cases I would think it would follow that the kids would have the same outlook.





That's my thinking . Kids learn what they live .

Didn't say why . Just said they were 10 times more likely .

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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: HippieChick]
    #6506026 - 01/28/07 07:32 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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That's my thinking . Kids learn what they live .
Didn't say why . Just said they were 10 times more likely .





It often will be a combination of both. But, like you say: nature or nurture - the bottom line is that they're ten times more likely.


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
    #6506051 - 01/28/07 07:38 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

You should take up swimming if running is to hard on your back and knees then.

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Almost is not quite. My heart condition is entirely hereditary, my coronary arteries are everywhere except where they should be. For the record, I got my heart attack age 30 and am 34 now.





But are you quite sure that if you hadn't let your sports injury make you put on all the weight, you would of developed the heart condition?

All sorts of horrible, SUPPOSEDELY hereditary, heart conditions/diseases, cholesterol problems are in my family. My father, mother(who are quite young) but have suffered heart attacks and have heart conditions(my dad has some crazy cholesterol problem too). For that matter, I can't think of any one of my mom or dad's brothers and sisters that don't have heart problems.

I'm sure I have a heart condition too, but I'm too stubborn to have a doctor give me his opinion on it.

I think it's a safe bet to say that if you didn't gain those lbs in the first place, your chances of developing the "hereditary" heart condition would of been very low, even non-existant perhaps.

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It may be recessive in you, or perhaps you're just a bit slower to gain weight. I can tell you that you won't like what a good sports injury can do with your delicate equilibrium.




I'm slower gaining weight because of the activity I do, well did. Right now, I'm not doing a lot and believe me, the lbs are being put on fast. I do agree, it would be quite a lot different if I had a sports injury which would hinder my ability to lose the pounds as easily. If such a thing occured, I'd IMMEDIATELY be finding alternatives to getting my exercise.

I think my main point is, in the end it is ALWAYS the responsibility of the person. Excuses don't help nor are necessary to achieving the goal. Regardless of family history, injuries, mental status...in the end that person can still take the pounds off and keep them off. And if they don't, there is no one to blame but themselves.

There shouldn't be one obese person in this world that couldn't, in a healthy manner, become a proper weight with the right attitude, diet and exercise.

edit: one thing I'm not clear on and it could change this arguement is, did you gain the weight after the heart condition or before?

Hippiechick:

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Genetics does play a small part . Children of obese parents are 10 times more likely to become odese




I think buddy below your post explained it well.


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
    #6506076 - 01/28/07 07:42 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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It often will be a combination of both. But, like you say: nature or nurture - the bottom line is that they're ten times more likely.




I don't believe it is a combination.

If we establish this IS true(that it is in fact bad habits learned) and in my opinion there is no doubt in my mind about it, then we now know, with the help of parents or whoever, they have developed this weight problem. They weren't born fat. Taking it off is going to be twice or even triple the work, especially being raised like that, but it's still completely possible.

Like I said, I don't believe there isn't one person who can't take the weight off they actually got motivated enough.


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
    #6506165 - 01/28/07 08:08 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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I have a very serious heart condition, it doesn't stop me from running, biking , having sex, or doing anything else that raises my heart rate.





Ah but you know that every heart condition is different. I've got malformations in my coronary arteries and a tendency for cardiac oxygen starvation and (dangerous) coronary vasospasm.




I don't doubt you have a serious condition, I do to, but is a vasospasm VERY? similar or the exact same thing as a serious heart murmur?? ... I just wonder if you are trying to make is sound more dramatic, cause a heart murmur doesn't sound all that dramatic. (and thats one reason why I ignored and and remained ignorant as to the seriousness of my condition for YEARS)
Not trying to be a dick, or say that you are being a baby :heart:

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If they'll take my I'll do most of the training under medical supervision in a physiotherapy center. (bless my good insurance!)




Bless the Dutch government in general! (although haven't allot of immigrant hatting backwards right wingers come to power recently... it was looking scary for coffee shops there for awhile :shocked: ... I COULD be over blowing that though... I'm really not an expert on the dutch, even though I love so much of what I hear :heart:  My GF's family always yells out something that means "eat hearty" before each meal... I cant seem to write it in dutch though :tongue: )

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My condition is thus that at any moment I could drop dead by heart attack, which is quite something to learn to live with. How you deal with those things is very individual.




I agree. Its an individual choice, I live in the moment and try not to think about it, I have finally gotten over the idea I may need to have a vavle replaced and I am going to start seeing a cardiologist again, I wish I reached this conclusion sooner :sad:

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I assume you have a heart rhythm disturbance of sorts? Are you on pharms or operated on?




Neither. In fact I treated it as just a minor problem. Which I think was the combination of a bad doctor. And youthful ignorance. Only in the last year or so have I realized the scope of my problem. I was talking to someone online that had a major operation because of his heart murmur and he explained to me that it is not some minor detail.
Then I spoke to my mother "I never ONCE told you it was no big deal, you assumed that, not me" :sad: She said.

Not to go too far off topic...
But the worst part of this right now.... :sad: :sad:
Is that my family doctor closed his office over a scandal, and now my records are locked in an office I cant get inside. Or even phone. So I am going to go see a care clinic doc and ask him to refer me to a cardiologist.

I really DO have sympathy for you, this year I had what I assume could have been a minor heart attack... while reading about my murmur, of all things geez!!!,so it could have been panic based, but I was dizzy, and I thought I was going to pass out. I had to fight to stay "awake"(alive??) and conscious, I started to sweat horribly and I went numb, then afterwards I looked like a ghost and my lips were blue!!! :frown:

I get terrible pains in my chest and sometimes and I wonder... shit, is this it?
I have had so many attacks I never know whats happening ......

Anyway, I will cut you some slack, for sure. But not most of the overweight population.


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6506179 - 01/28/07 08:12 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

To be quite honest, I find certain fat people attractive

Just throwing that out there


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6506191 - 01/28/07 08:16 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

Reading posts like that really make me re-evaluate my ignorance towards my heart.

Everything you described has happened to me countless times. It's all happened in the last 4 years(i think my unhealthy lifestyle contributed greatly to this).

I'm still trying to ignore it.

What kind of tests do need to be done out of curiousity, to examine every possibility of problems with my heart?


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Spooge]
    #6506199 - 01/28/07 08:19 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

Wiccan Seeker,

Describe your own diet on any given day....and dont just tell us what we want/dont want to hear.


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6506227 - 01/28/07 08:34 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

LOL you are very permissive :ooo:

You can't be sure if it's a heart attack unless you were tested for Troponins in the blood, a conclusive test. I have had one heart attack that was confirmed, and I believe two more, earlier.

I've been on the border of life and death in the intensive care unit. Heartrate kept dropping below 50, nurses kept storming in. It was a mess. They kept me for over a week on the ICU and then 2 or so weeks on the regular heart ward.
Yup, that was a real heart attack.

Coronary vasospasm, in my case means my coronary artery can cramp shut, which can well mean an instant heart attack, one that can be deadly. This probably gave me my last attack.

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I am going to start seeing a cardiologist again, I wish I reached this conclusion sooner




Dammit you need to have it all checked out and determined. It can be a matter of a pill, a lot of pills, a surgery or who knows, but the full extent of your heart condition should be determined. All that fuss they make in hospitals is there for you too :smile:

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I get terrible pains in my chest and sometimes and I wonder... shit, is this it?
I have had so many attacks I never know whats happening ......




I'm not going to play doctor, but it is obvious you should have it checked out. It can be innocent or it can be really dangerous. Strong chest pain with the feeling of passing out is never good. Make that appointment this week so they can hopefully stabilize whatever you have.

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I was dizzy, and I thought I was going to pass out. I had to fight to stay "awake"(alive??) and conscious, I started to sweat horribly and I went numb, then afterwards I looked like a ghost and my lips were blue!!!




Sweet Jesus man, 911 should have been called! With heart problems there often is a danger of a heavier crisis following shortly after a lighter one. If you smoke pot STOP IT until you're checked out.

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Anyway, I will cut you some slack, for sure. But not most of the overweight population.




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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Chazzersize]
    #6506228 - 01/28/07 08:34 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

dont be lazy and eat clean foods. its not that hard people.

dont blame it on fast food joints either.

I have a pretty chisled body and it ticks me off when people say how lucky i am and that its genetic. sure some of it is but its HARD WORK. stop blaming others and do something about your problem.


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Spooge]
    #6506258 - 01/28/07 08:42 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

Well bro...

The first time it happened I was just starting grade 8... and I felt a pain in my chest, that felt almost like something was clogging, and then slowly moving through my veins. and its one of the most painful things I have ever experienced.
(it was as if I could feel its path :sad:
Luckily for me that was not the case(not that I was about to get GOOD news)

After this happened quite a few more times, I went to the doctor... It was quite simple, most docs can tell after a quick listen with the stethoscope... then most likely they will send you for an X-ray, and an ultrasound.

I had an ultrasound on my chest.... doctor told me... "ok now look at this picture, your murmur should be coming up very soon.........THERE IT IS SEE THAT"

And what I saw on the screen, was one of my heart valves twisting inside out, and then shaking madly :frown:

So now, I have a picture to go with my pain. A picture I will never forget... but dont let that scare you, there is no reason to be ignorant about the health of your heart. Do you smoke(cigs???) At least a "healthy"(more or less) alcoholic can poison his liver for well over 30 years at a time. If you have heart problems, you have to be careful.

I have stopped caring what other people think of me(GF's family etc) I work hard to avoid stress, and I now WALK AWAY from fights with my GF, and others, and I try to laugh as much as possible. Read the book Mind Matters, laughing IS medicine.

And this last year, I took more then 4 months off work, I have the money,and I earned it, LEGALLY,  so FUCK anyone that doesn't understand :yesnod:
But I also exercised allot during that time.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anyway, I  hope you take what I have said to heart :heart: (my puns are LAME)
But seriously I have ONE QUESTION for you.

Do you want to live another 3 years?? or another 50-60 years??
GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR.
I should have taken my problem seriously allot sooner.

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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Chazzersize]
    #6506291 - 01/28/07 08:53 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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Wiccan Seeker,
Describe your own diet on any given day....and dont just tell us what we want/dont want to hear.




Are you looking for confirmation that I'm hanging in front of the TV with a big bottle of cola and a bucket of KFC?

Oook, bear in mind I'm 6'4" and BIG:


8 slices of whole wheat bread as 4 sandwiches throughout the day with with normal stuff in normal proportions between.

2-4 pieces of fruit

a plate of salad (salad being just veggies, no sauce or other rich stuff)

5oz potatoes/0.5lb veggies/4oz of meat or 5oz fish

1 pint of yoghurt (yoghurt as in the plain unprocessed cow stuff, no sugar or fat)

1-2oz nuts/seeds

1 glass of absinthe or a can of beer

3/4 gallon water

vitamins/minerals


Now, if only you ate as healthy.


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
    #6506298 - 01/28/07 08:56 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

How big are you?


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #6506301 - 01/28/07 08:57 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

6'4"  :wink:

If you mean the other big, 319 lbs
Sumo size.


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
    #6506315 - 01/28/07 09:01 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

Woah, are you Latin?

I think I know you


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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #6506334 - 01/28/07 09:06 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

That would be interesting, your name is somewhat familiar too.

But no, I'm Dutch. If I still fit the description drop me a PM with a more precise question.
I'd laugh my ass off if you're who you might be.


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