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We are talking about what a person's fat content is. This fat content is completely controlled by the individual and it can be regulated by eating good food and exercising. Simple as that.
And now we are at the very core of the issue.
It is NOT that simple.
The overwhelming majority of obese people under professional guidance of doctors cannot keep the weight off for a lifetime.
OK, it is the patients fault And its the doctor's fault
Umm, newsflash: the cure isnt working
Diet and exercise, once you are truly obese, are never a cure. Its at most damage control, but in most cases actually makes things worse.
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DrunkenCowgirl said: "I don't believe in 'body flaws.' To believe in them, you have to believe in one single ideal body, and I emphatically do not! I know what I am supposed to look like -- I'm supposed to look like me! And since no one can look more like me than me, I'm as close to perfect as it gets. I don't need to look like anyone else OR any other version of myself.
I don't have flaws -- and neither do you. What we have are differences, and they are what make us beautiful, what make us unique, what make us who we are." - Anonymous fatty*
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RandalFlagg said: But, that is irrelevant to this conversation. We are talking about what a person's fat content is. This fat content is completely controlled by the individual and it can be regulated by eating good food and exercising. Simple as that.
haha no it's not. simple as that.  maybe you should read up about the subject before stating false facts.
again, for most fat people that is the case, but definitely not for all.
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
#5911969 - 07/29/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: The overwhelming majority of obese people under professional guidance of doctors cannot keep the weight off for a lifetime.
Because the overwhelming majority of obese people who lose weight and gain it back stop exercising, start hitting the cookie jar again, and everything goes to shit. And they wonder why the pounds come back on...
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Diet and exercise, once you are truly obese, are never a cure. Its at most damage control, but in most cases actually makes things worse.
??? Actually taking care of yourself makes things worse? That's news to me.
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: stefan]
#5911971 - 07/29/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: But, that is irrelevant to this conversation. We are talking about what a person's fat content is. This fat content is completely controlled by the individual and it can be regulated by eating good food and exercising. Simple as that.
haha no it's not. simple as that.  maybe you should read up about the subject before stating false facts.
again, for most fat people that is the case, but definitely not for all.
My statement pertained to people who are overweight and can control it (which is most). I was not referring to people who have afflictions or medications that are causing weight gain that is beyond their control.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Diet and exercise, once you are truly obese, are never a cure. Its at most damage control, but in most cases actually makes things worse.
??? Actually taking care of yourself makes things worse? That's news to me.
I'd like to know what he means here too
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
#5911974 - 07/29/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those situations can't really be compared to obesity.
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: stefan]
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Hee, net op tijd 
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for most fat people that is the case, but definitely not for all.
Well its not even true for most fat people. Even if you are healthy as can be, but to prove a point gain lets say 50lbs of fat and keep it on for a year or two, this being obese will have fucked your health and inner equilibriums up so much, that you may lose it with ease, but it will for the rest of your life try to get back on again.
Thats the real problem: By overindulging in the wrong foods people acquire the metabolic disorder that is tendency to be obese.
Once you have been too fat for long enough it will become the weight tour body tries to achieve, its like a rubber band: stretch it for long enough and it wont shrink back to the small size it was because the stretching broke it.
As for the making things worse: in their utter desparation the diets and exercise regimens some people resort to, are far more unhealthy than remaining obese itself is.
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
#5911989 - 07/29/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used to be really skinny, but then in college I started eating a lot of unhealthy foods. Over time, I developed a pot belly. I was flabby and unfit. But then I decided to do something about it. I changed my diet and started working out 5 days a week. Guess what? It's working. I'm almost back to normal now. Newsflash: Diet and exercise works.
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Those situations can't really be compared to obesity.
Oook, what can you compare obesity to then?
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Once you have been too fat for long enough it will become the weight tour body tries to achieve, its like a rubber band: stretch it for long enough and it wont shrink back to the small size it was because the stretching broke it.
Bull. Anybody can lose weight. It just takes hard work and sweat.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: As for the making things worse: in their utter desparation the diets and exercise regimens some people resort to, are far less unhealthy than remaining obese itself is.
It is possible to diet in an unhealthy way...and this is dangerous. But, being obese sure as hell isn't healthy either. The possibility for diabetes, stroke, high blood pressure, and heart disease all increase dramatically with excessive weight.
I repeat: Being obese is not healthy.
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DrunkenCowgirl said: Stress alone causes weight gain. Its a medical fact that if your stressed all the time and still eating healthy and exercising that you will not lose weight as well as if you aren't stressed.
NEGATIVE. THIS JUST IN: CONSERVATION OF MASS.
If you don't eat it... it won't be in your body.
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Its all in the way your body works.
Ahhh you said something sensible after all. If only you hadn't opened by disputing the "personal responsibility" argument.
It is all about how your body works. Learn about it. Respect it. Take responsibility for it. Expect to get out an amount proportional to what you put in.
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I changed my diet and started working out 5 days a week. Guess what? It's working. I'm almost back to normal now. Newsflash: Diet and exercise works.
If you were obese enough for long enough, newsflash: welcome to Hell.
If you were too fat for too long you may think you have it beat, but you will have to struggle for it in 2007, 2017, 2027 end so on.
I'm sorry, I hope you escaped it but if you didn't you're phukt.
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
#5912009 - 07/29/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Oook, what can you compare obesity to then?
Vampiric Nazis and Chewbacca
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
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Well its not even true for most fat people. Even if you are healthy as can be, but to prove a point gain lets say 50lbs of fat and keep it on for a year or two, this being obese will have fucked your health and inner equilibriums up so much, that you may lose it with ease, but it will for the rest of your life try to get back on again.
Thats the real problem: By overindulging in the wrong foods people acquire the metabolic disorder that is tendency to be obese.
I really doubt that can't be reversed. I believe your body will adjust to a new equilibrium again after being not-fat for long enough.
Besides that, most people who are fat don't seem to try HARD to do something about it, even when they really want to. Some do, and it can be done.
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
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I changed my diet and started working out 5 days a week. Guess what? It's working. I'm almost back to normal now. Newsflash: Diet and exercise works.
If you were obese enough for long enough, newsflash: welcome to Hell.
If you were too fat for too long you may think you have it beat, but you will have to struggle for it in 2007, 2017, 2027 end so on.
I'm sorry, I hope you escaped it but if you didn't you're phukt.
If people have to "struggle" with anything, it's the temptation to go back to your old habits. Show me someone who actually stuck with a regiment of a healthy diet and regular exercise and still put the pounds back on.
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
#5912022 - 07/29/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guarantee you that if you start doing cardio, eating healthy food, counting your calories, and stick with it you will lose a shitload of weight.
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Bull. Anybody can lose weight. It just takes hard work and sweat.
I might well have lost your entire bodyweight throughout my lifetime. But guess what, you can't keep it off.
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I repeat: Being obese is not healthy.
Some people can well be thirty pounds over the norm and be perfectly healthy, but no, you're stating the obvious.
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Silversoul said: If people have to "struggle" with anything, it's the temptation to go back to your old habits. Show me someone who actually stuck with a regiment of a healthy diet and regular exercise and still put the pounds back on.
Exactly. When people "yo-yo" and gain all the weight back...it's because they stopped exercising and started eating crap again.
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
#5912034 - 07/29/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I might well have lost your entire bodyweight throughout my lifetime. But guess what, you can't keep it off.
right, but now we're talking about people with no medical conditions that could be held accound for the gaining of weight
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