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On-Topic Fat Thread

#6504769 - 01/28/07 12:32 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

I am still interested in discussing a topic that was in a thread that has been locked, so I am going to copy and paste a post I made in that thread and then reply to it with some more thoughts on the subject. Please do not make negative comments about fat people in this thread. That is a fair warning - don't make me whip out the ban stick.

Wiccan_Seeker said:

If over 9 out of 10 affected people cannot do it, in a population that spans tens of millions of people in all the countries of the world and a period of over 50 years, would you not say that unreasonable demands are being made.

Perhaps. I guess it depends on a case-by-case basis. I'm not certain that living healthy is an unreasonable demand - it is a lifestyle, and it requires considerable change in one's life. Perhaps that is an unreasonable demand in that most human beings develop such a routine that even minor changes in their life are difficult for them to maintain, myself included.

I mean common sense says get with the program, but the reality of the problem worldwide clearly demonstrates how common sense here simply does not work, for a zillion reasons.

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Perhaps the world doesn't work that way Fireworks. It's a blow to the face for all optimists and strivers. Up to a point we all got to deal with the cards that we get, and all of us know from experience that doing your very best simply won't be enough to get what you want.

It isn't like flapping one's arms in a vain attempt to fly. Perhaps I am viewing it too simply, and have not researched into it adequately enough, but I would think it all comes down to the amount of calories we intake, which is something that is within our control (we don't automatically eat, like our heart beats), and how much energy we expend through our daily activities.

Now, clearly some bodies have fucked up metabolisms. Sometimes it might be genetic or a physical problem, and sometimes it is simply due to one's activities and one's eating habits. If someone is barely eating and is exercising a lot, in a responsible way, and their health is not improving, then I'd start to look closer at the chemical processes and all of that... I understand there are medications to take to assist metabolism, but I haven't truly looked into it much.

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Most people find it cruel to say to a person who has lost his eyesight that he can see if only he had enough willpower.

I'm not convinced of the similarity.

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These people generally find no such objection to say the same to someone with severe obesity, even though it is proven that over 9 out of 10 of them cannot escape that fate no matter what they try.

Nine out of ten severely obese individuals have all made dramatic lifestyle changes in an attempt to become healthy? For how long? What kind of study are you referring to?

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Here's some other math: When you are really hungry your body is blackmailing you into taking in say 600 kcal. If you try to cheat it with a 100 kcal apple your body will send deprivation and frustration signals until the 600 calories are taken in. So, to comply with your body you eat "one meal" to get those 600 kcal.

"Until the calories are taken in". I think this is what I was referring to, about willpower. Individuals who are not obese face this same thing when they fast (I have some great threads on fasting in P&S we could link to for more information on that). One would think that fasting would be more difficult for those who are not obese, as they do not have such a margin of energy stored as fat.

I would never suggest starving oneself, but I am given to understand that fruit juice fasts are highly effective.

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The obese guy's body will thus blackmail his brain in every possible way to take "two meals" because that is "enough".

Precisely. Ride through it - willpower. I'll see if I can find some threads on fasting. The body's negative experiences it will inflict upon oneself to get you to needlessly consume more do not last for long, and this is what these fasters say. Past the third day, eating does not enter one's thoughts at all. :grin:

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This isn't a matter of his "willpower", this is entirely a medical matter as his metabolism is broken. It is a disease. You can tell it is a disease because their bodies swell by dozens of pounds over time.

His metabolism might not be working effectively, but this is due to habit over time. One has to force it to correct itself. It is a matter of willpower in most cases, I have to assume.

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Common sense sometime is flawed, and one such flaw is to expect the willpower of a mere mortal to overcome a physical disease with factors beyond his control.

A mere mortal? We are capable as long as we realize it and exert ourselves. What factors are beyond control?

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No matter if it were brought on by bad habits or genetics - the result is a broken metabolism that needs to be healed, if diet and exercise are to have any effect other than temporary.

How does one heal oneself if one continues the patterns of behavior that are responsible in the first place? The body might desire more food, and that seems to me to be the cornerstone of the problem. Answer: willpower. :grin:

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