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Chazzersize
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I'm perfectly fine with fat folks.
The line is drawn when I have to deal with your fat ass on an airplane because you take up two god damn seats and I'M forced to move because you have no willpower whatsoever.
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Madtowntripper
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Holy shit!
I said *THAT* 8 hours ago too.
This thread is very cyclical.
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Asante
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Its so cyclical I want a cyclizine 
I read it back here and there and - wow.
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Colbadol
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
#6505714 - 01/28/07 06:02 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Let's turn it around for a change.
Let's assume, like you and Fireworks do, that obese people have no willpower whatsoever. Not a shred.
Well, what would be your solution then?
they should tattoo on their HUMONGOUS forearm (they cant see any other part of their body) the phrase "JUST DO IT"
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
#6505718 - 01/28/07 06:03 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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I am confident that if you change the food/exercise culture of the nation, and find a medicine(DAILY EXERCISE) that can undo the metabolic damage done by years of obesity, that few people will be "stuck" with obesity problems. (RED=my modification)
Glad you came around finally and see this situation for what it truly is, a health problem caused by overindulgence, and lack of proper exercise.
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Colbadol
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I am confident that if you change the food/exercise culture of the nation, and find a medicine(DAILY EXERCISE) that can undo the metabolic damage done by years of obesity, that few people will be "stuck" with obesity problems. (RED=my modification)
Glad you came around finally and see this situation for what it truly is, a health problem caused by overindulgence, and lack of proper exercise.
but fat people (is wiccan fat?) want a pill!!!! they wont settle for anything else!!
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AroundtheSon said: I have never seen an obese person, whom after getting to know, did not exhibit that their obesity was due to poor diet and lack of exercise expend. Not one person.
Food for thought. ha ha
Ditto. And I've met quite a few fat people.
Every extremely obese person I have met and spent any time knowing, had an extremely bad diet consisting of mostly saturated fats, sugars, and foods extremely rich in empty calories.
I myself struggle to GAIN weight while eating properly, which can be hard. The sheer amount of trash food available at most grocery stores is astounding. It can be hard to avoid it simply due to the massive quantities available. Junk food is over-abundant in our society and available almost everywhere.
That said I can admit to not having the best diet all the time. Hell, a lot of the time I've struggled just to AFFORD food so I'm not hungry all day, and I've been known to gorge on junk food. But I've never had a weight problem, maybe a heart problem somewhere down the line.. but I think not having a car for the past 2 years, and having to walk or bike everywhere has made a pretty big difference in my overall health. And my job usually involves physical effort, I don't just sit on my ass all day.
Bottom line is I understand HOW people get fat - sit on their ass and eat crap all day. I just don't understand how its possible. Maybe if I was rich too.. I'd love to eat all day. Except if I could afford good food, I wouldn't be eating ho-hos and doritos all day long..
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Asante
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Colbadol]
#6505758 - 01/28/07 06:14 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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Can't you ask me directly?
Yes, I am quite obese.
Because the obesity (and/or genetics) have caused an underlying metabolic disorder, there should be a medical intervention (presumingly a pharmaceutical) to increase the effectiveness of the combination of exercise, coaching and diet.
A failure rate of diets of 90% is unacceptable so there must be an additional intervention.
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
#6505777 - 01/28/07 06:17 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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Someone has said this, but I'm going to add onto it.
I also have not met one obese person that didn't have a problem with eating unhealthy with a lack of exercise. Meaning, every large person I've ever met takes in more calories than they burn.
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Overweight? Lose the weight. No willpower? Develop willpower. Heroin addiction? Quit using drugs.
Sometimes the solution IS that simple. And in this case, very much so.
Take baby steps. If a person is unhappy with their weight and they realize they have a problem, throw the tv in the dumpster or lock it in storage. Hell, even lock your books up. A person will find something to do real quick. Swimming is fairly effortless, when compared to jogging or lifting weights, so perhaps another step these people could take is to get a membership.
All of this will go nowhere if these people don't do something about their diet asap. They can make a meal plan and add up the total number of calories they would consume each day and then figure out how much exercise would be required to burn more than the said calories.
If they need to go to the local store, or a friends close by...walk briskly. If it's cold out, put something warm on. They need not make excuses.
I know from personal experience that for quite awhile, I've been consuming way more calories than I burn and it's starting to show. I'm making STEPS to combat it and it is working quite well. My mom and her entire family are very large and every single one of them could begin to DEVELOP will power to take the steps necessary to lose the weight.
Fireworks and Redstorm are right on the money...develop the will power to lose weight and take the small steps towards the goal.
That is the solution. And it's that simple
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Colbadol
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
#6505787 - 01/28/07 06:19 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: A failure rate of diets of 90% is unacceptable so there must be an additional intervention.
Wiccan. you have to let that go.
it's not the diet's fault. It's the persons fault for a) following a bad diet b) not exercising while dieting c) believe that there is an easy solution d) not knowing how his/her individual body works
JUST because a diet didnt work for you doesnt mean that youre DOOMED for obesity. Jesus christ.
and it's not that the people of america cant handle diets either. the reason why diets dont work is because you keep doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results...it's insanity. Diets arent the silver bullet to obesity (they were never meant to be), but many people think so because theyve been brainwashed by booksellers.
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Colbadol]
#6505802 - 01/28/07 06:22 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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Another thing that I've noticed.
I've never met one person that just got obese all of a sudden. Some children are brought up with a horrible diet and lack of activity...it ends up screwing with their metabolism. In this case, the pounds can be put on fairly quickly, but it's not an overnight change. Problems with metabolism can be corrected with hard work. But it's exactly that, hard work.
Overweight people become overweight over time and taking it off is going to take double the effort/time.
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Spooge]
#6505805 - 01/28/07 06:24 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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yes, entity.
people look at fat children and then at their fat parents and assume it's genetic. NO. Children at a young age follow the lifestyles of their parents.
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Asante
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Spooge]
#6505861 - 01/28/07 06:39 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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Say, I hope that people understand that obesity isn't your tummy sagging a bit, but a condition where you're at the very least 25lbs overweight.
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Fireworks and Redstorm are right on the money...develop the will power to lose weight and take the small steps towards the goal. . That is the solution. And it's that simple
I love it when people are high on positive thinking and feel they can take on the world. See you in three years 
I've lost 50 pounds THREE TIMES, and recently another 33 lbs. When I weighed 220lbs I jogged 10 fucking miles. If you look at the graph of my average weight, I don't think it did me any good, any whatsoever, except for the high of feeling on top of things.
Currently I could stand to lose 100 lbs so I'm readying myself to enter a program of intensive cardiovascular exercise, fitness training, counseling and a deprivation diet which is supposed to keep me starved for a lifetime.
I enter this with hereditary obesity, vital medications which are fattening and a serious heart condition which has caused heart attacks before.
Develop willpower. As simple as that right? Gee.
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Colbadol
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
#6505879 - 01/28/07 06:45 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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perhaps a coach really would be the most help for you wiccan. i see where youre comin from. i believe that it's merely exposure. like, some people know how to fix cars because theyve been exposed to it. some people know how to fix computers because theyve been exposed to it. some people know how to exercise because theyve been exposed to it. no one is born knowing these things. they have to be shown.
there are so many small details that is very difficult to just straight up tell you. ive been a distance runner, swimmer, and cyclist for most of my life.
you ran 10 miles and expected something? That's actually very bad for you to just go out and do that. I dont know what kind of running base youve built before hand, but i hope you didnt get injured/burnt out. it's better to just run like 1mile or maybe 2 every other day. youll see results then. Just breaking a sweat will raise your metabolism for about 3 hours afterwards.
also, running while overweight is very hard on your joints. i recommend cycling. you stay in the aerobic, prime fat-burning range of 100-130bpm heartrate range for longer.
www.cyclingforums.com
dont be afraid to cram into some spandex and jump on a nice touring road bike. youd be suprised how many big guys do. they just laugh along. it's great.
edit: Lots of success stories in those forums, and theyre higher than dieting's measly 10%...check it out.
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KingOftheThing
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Colbadol]
#6505886 - 01/28/07 06:47 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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its not genetic, fat people have shitty eat habits they pass on to their kids...u take their kids into a healthy eating household, kid isnt fat
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Spooge
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
#6505898 - 01/28/07 06:49 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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I enter this with hereditary obesity, vital medications which are fattening and a serious heart condition which has caused heart attacks before.
But wiccan, I'm almost sure that all of that was caused by the obeseity in the first place. You didn't just become obese overnight.
My entire family and extended family are very large people. I was born a humongous baby and was very chubby as a baby/toddler. My parents got me into so much activities and my mom was a stay at home mom until I was 12, who was strict with "meal plans", no snacking.
I exercised and was geuinely active until I was 18. I became extremely fit and my metabolism was incredible. I used to cycle, rollerblade, mountainbike, run and martial arts.
For a few years, I haven't been doing much activity besides occasionally lifting weights and my labour jobs. It's starting to show everywhere and if I don't DO something about it, I'll start getting heart conditions and other "ailments" that cause me to take medication that sure won't make it easier to lose weight(make it easier to gain if anything).
In that sense, I can feel for you(btw, I wasn't directing my original post at anyone in particular). At this point in time, you now have heart problems and medication that cause weight gain and in your case, to lose weight, you are going to have to put in a LOT of hard work, but also go about it carefully(which it seems your taking the steps to do )
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I've lost 50 pounds THREE TIMES, and recently another 33 lbs. When I weighed 220lbs I jogged 10 fucking miles. If you look at the graph of my average weight, I don't think it did me any good, any whatsoever, except for the high of feeling on top of things.
But that doesn't mean anything. I'm assuming it was daily? That's the sort of dedication and hard work it would take....but STILL...if you are eating more calories and fatty foods than you burn, that 10 miles is for nothing. Also, like buddy said, I hope that was something you worked up to?
As for heriditary obesity....I clearly have "fat genes" but with the proper steps it won't be my excuse.
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Asante
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Colbadol]
#6505936 - 01/28/07 07:03 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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perhaps a coach really would be the most help for you wiccan.
Oh it will all be part of one unified treatment, question is whether they'll take me, with the heart condition and all.
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some people know how to exercise because they've been exposed to it.
Oh I know how to exercise, but it all changes with a heart condition.
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you ran 10 miles and expected something? That's actually very bad for you to just go out and do that. I dont know what kind of running base youve built before you did that, but i hope you didnt get injured/burnt out.
I jogged 2 miles three times a week, with stretching exercises and the whole deal, then one day I decided to see how far it would go. Run 10 miles weighing 220lbs, strap on a 70lbs backpack and try it.
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it's better to just run like 1mile or maybe 2 every other day. youll see results then.
I'll pretend I didn't hear that. I say I'm more than 100lbs overweight and have a heart condition and you suggest me to run a mile or two.
90 percent chance that I'll fail in less than three years. In the past I lost a total of 200lbs or so of weight to no avail. That does not mean I'm not going for that 10%, but I know how my chances are.
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
#6505941 - 01/28/07 07:05 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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I'm assuming you gain back the weight that you lose after you stop doing the things that enabled that weight loss in the first place, right?
So how about removing that part of the equation, and maybe it'll stop being a zero-sum game.
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
#6505958 - 01/28/07 07:10 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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I have a very serious heart condition, it doesn't stop me from running, biking , having sex, or doing anything else that raises my heart rate.
I guess I could over-analyze and rationalize that every X number of beats I go through some pain... so if I just slow down I wont have to go through it as much, but I can't go about my life like that, sure I try to limit stress, but I have to get exercise sometimes, what heart condition do you have???
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Colbadol
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Re: On-Topic Fat Thread [Re: Asante]
#6505963 - 01/28/07 07:10 PM (17 years, 3 days ago) |
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90 percent chance that I'll fail in less than three years. In the past I lost a total of 200lbs or so of weight to no avail. That does not mean I'm not going for that 10%, but I know how my chances are.
Wiccan. it is a known FACT that if you kept that low body weight; sustained it for longer, you would have eventually gotten rid of your fat cells. Even if you went back to not caring anymore it wouldve taken longer to gain it all back. but idk, if you really tried, three years is a long time.
sustain 220lbs for three years, and itll get easier to keep it. dont give up.
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