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OfflineEmperorKuzco
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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913036 - 07/29/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

Junkfood, on the whole, is poor man's food.
Obesity for a large part is a poor man's problem.

And you're blaming them for world hunger? Amazing.




I'm not blaming anyone. I'm just trying to put this whole thing in perspective. As far as junk food is concerned, it is the food of American poor. Thats what I meen by societal disease. Even the poor in America are over nurished. Wiccan_Seeker, I respect the hell out of you and you make some valid points, but try to look at the big picture here. I guess what I'm trying to point out is the other side of the coin, and how lucky we are live in a place where all we have to worry about is eating too much. If a person isn't bothered by being over weight, then they should enjoy it. However if a person is bothered by it, then they should do somthing about it and not make excuses, because people are dying from starvation. Again, this is only my oppinion and is not ment to be an attack on anyone. Perspective!


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913038 - 07/29/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Fat people can take responsibility.

I'm 260 pounds, I ate my way there.

Fuck the diets and exercise though, I am perfectly fine with staying overweight.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: DrunkenCowgirl]
    #5913043 - 07/29/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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DrunkenCowgirl said:
"I don't believe in 'body flaws.' To believe in them, you have to believe in one single ideal body, and I emphatically do not! I know what I am supposed to look like -- I'm supposed to look like me! And since no one can look more like me than me, I'm as close to perfect as it gets. I don't need to look like anyone else OR any other version of myself.





So, you're supposed to look fat and lazy and of poor eating habits? I dont get it.

I do not believe for one second that the human body is designed to be overweight. Our bodies are designed to be physically active. And physically active individuals are not fat.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: ChickenPotPie]
    #5913048 - 07/29/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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ChickenPotPie said:
These are facts, although they don't want you to know it.




A CONSPIRACY


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5913050 - 07/29/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

A big, fat conspiracy.  :blush:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: CherryBom]
    #5913055 - 07/29/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:rimshot:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: EmperorKuzco]
    #5913065 - 07/29/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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As far as junk food is concerned, it is the food of American poor.




I was talking about the American poor.

But the same goes for the third world: the third world equivalent is eating pancakes from flour and water (no salt, yeast, eggs etc) and this is precisely what the poorest people in the third world have to eat.

The definition of junkfood is "calorie-dense food low on nutrients."

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Even the poor in America are over nurished.




This is another un-truth. Most obese people in America are UNDER-nourished because they eat poor quality foods so that they are full of calories, but have nutrient deficiencies comparable to those found in the third world. This in some is responsible for voracious appetites: they keep eating but do not get what they need.

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If a person isn't bothered by being over weight, then they should enjoy it.




By allo means, even if this means reduced life expectancy. We as a drug community oucht to respect life choices like that. But for most, its not a choice.

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because people are dying from starvation.




People in America are dying from eating shitty food, in fact most do (heart disease etc) and up until that time bear the burden of obesity and the many diseases and ailments that follow in its wake, such as lower back problems, hernias and diabetes.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Vvellum]
    #5913068 - 07/29/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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So, you're supposed to look fat and lazy and of poor eating habits?




Hopw does being obese make somebody "look lazy"?
Prejudice, good sir!


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Vvellum]
    #5913076 - 07/29/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I do not believe for one second that the human body is designed to be overweight. Our bodies are designed to be physically active. And physically active individuals are not fat.




Humankind has evolved under conditions of constant famine. Under those conditions I'd be one of the fittest hunters of the group, taking on buffaloes with a spear while you would look for clever ways to steal honey from the bees with a stick :wink:

I'm 6ft 4in and my shouder width is an inch or two shy of 2ft.
I guess that puts me on the hunting team.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913156 - 07/29/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

umm, how many fat people do you see run marathons or compete in the Olympics? Zero. Why? Because they are out of shape and are so lazy (or apathetic) to become healthier. I've never come across a fat person who wasnt lazy save those who are trying to better themselves with physical activity.

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Humankind has evolved under conditions of constant famine. Under those conditions I'd be one of the fittest hunters of the group, taking on buffaloes with a spear while you would look for clever ways to steal honey from the bees with a stick

I'm 6ft 4in and my shouder width is an inch or two shy of 2ft.
I guess that puts me on the hunting team.




Are you strong or just fat? I would agree with you if you had muscle-mass, but it sounds like you dont.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Vvellum]
    #5913161 - 07/29/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Eh, I'm overweight and it's partly my own fault, and partly the fault of the medication I take, but I'm not making excuses.

Having said that, I think 500+ Lb people who can't leave their house are truly disgusting.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913169 - 07/29/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Um.....hmmmm......What was this thread originally about? My train of thought just derailed. Wiccan_Seeker, you make some very good and valid points. I just have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that obesity is good, bad, or indiffernt?

As for me: Obesity= bad, Malnutrition= bad, personal responibilty= good, Imense gap between rich and poor= bad, My spelling= bad, Prejudice= bad, Education= good.


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: EmperorKuzco]
    #5913172 - 07/29/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Is it all good and bad? Any neutral?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Vvellum]
    #5913173 - 07/29/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Are you strong or just fat? I would agree with you if you had muscle-mass




I'm pretty strong :smirk:

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I would agree with you if you had muscle-mass but it sounds like you dont.




How on earth can it sound that I don't have muscle-mass?


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: EmperorKuzco]
    #5913176 - 07/29/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I just have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that obesity is good, bad, or indiffernt?




Obesity if it poses a problem, which it often does, is a bad thing. An equally bad thing is it to generalize it and then blame and guilttrip people for their problems, as often there literally is no cure, only a means to try keep it from escalating further.
It is a very complex problem which defies simplification, and is burdened with a social stigma which often is undeserved.

Thats basically the message :smile:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: CherryBom]
    #5913183 - 07/29/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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CherryBom said:
Is it all good and bad?  Any neutral?




I guess everything is inherently neutral.  We all bring our unique perpective to the issue,  with many shades of grey between the black and white, good or bad spectrum.  What I was trying to do is over simplify the issue to bring it back on track, because after awhile I forgot what my point was. :wink:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: EmperorKuzco]
    #5913191 - 07/29/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We are a country of over-indulgence. I fucking love it. :smirk:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: theuser]
    #5913193 - 07/29/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

*lights up a cigar*

almost 600 views, not bad!


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913201 - 07/29/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I just have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that obesity is good, bad, or indiffernt?




Obesity if it poses a problem, which it often does, is a bad thing. An equally bad thing is it to generalize it and then blame and guilttrip people for their problems, as often there literally is no cure, only a means to try keep it from escalating further.
It is a very complex problem which defies simplification, and is burdened with a social stigma which often is undeserved.

Thats basically the message :smile:




Very, very well said.  I have no argument with that. Me --> :ashamed:


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Re: Fat Americans [Re: Asante]
    #5913205 - 07/29/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"How on earth can it sound that I don't have muscle-mass?"

:lol:

  Honestly, I'm a fat American too, but I'm just a huge dude in general. The idea of people sitting around claiming that they cant lose weight is pretty pathetic. I agree with the idea with taking responsibility, whether or not ones weight is a conscious decision, it is a decision.


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