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Re: The NRA [Re: nugsarenice]
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Please define "assault rifle."

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Re: The NRA [Re: ]
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any gun, that are military or foreign military uses, and has determined safe to use.

Edited by nugsarenice (07/05/02 09:20 AM)

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Re: The NRA [Re: nugsarenice]
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I would like to see you educate the general public in such a long string of information that you obviously did'nt even write yourself, wheres the use?

I'd like you to educate yourself on the use of the English language and rational thought. Why should I "reinvent the wheel" when this suits my purpose?

Edited by Evolving (07/05/02 09:24 AM)

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Re: The NRA [Re: nugsarenice]
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Nugs, I'll put this as nicely as possible.

Forgive your parents for not using birth control. They didn't mean to conceive an idiot child.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: The NRA [Re: ]
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thanx for your thought towards me,, I don't understand what you are getting at though. I belive in gun ownership,, in all equality.

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Re: The NRA [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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thanx for forgiving my parents, I have a very large stupid family.

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Re: The NRA [Re: nugsarenice]
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Evolving:
Please define "assault rifle."

nugsarenice:
any gun, that are military or foreign military uses, and has determined safe to use.

So, according to this definition a model 1911A1 .45 ACP service pistol is an assault rifle?

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Re: The NRA [Re: ]
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sorry, I don't know much about guns. Does'nt mean my political veiw is different.

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Re: The NRA [Re: foghorn]
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Here are plenty more reasons to own guns.
Too bad these stories are rarely reported by the mainstream media.

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcInfoBase.asp?CatID=43


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (07/07/02 05:25 AM)

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Re: The NRA [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I live in a country where gun permit is hard to get. I turned down military service so I will never be able to get it but I don't know anybody who has it and I was never threatened by someone who has it.
I was very impressed when I visited my relatives in USA. My uncle has a rifle near front door, a rifle near rear door and a hand gun in a drawer beside his bed. He said: "If someone comes in I will shoot him before he shoots me!".
I prefer less freedom than living like that.

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Re: The NRA [Re: zeronio]
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I prefer less freedom than living like that
Do you think the Jews in the Weimar Republic said that years ago?

Edited by Evolving (07/08/02 09:09 AM)

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Re: The NRA [Re: nugsarenice]
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you are getting dumber by the moment fool..

to the rest of ya i have nothing to add that i haven't said a billion times, however that list that evolving listed makes all my points. I have about 5 guns and rifles as i am a part of the regulated militia


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: The NRA [Re: zeronio]
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***I prefer less freedom than living like that.***

you're painting america with a rather broad brush aren't you? as far as living with less freedom, please go to that place while i enjoy the freedom i have. Where does you're uncle live BTW? It's a pretty common thing to run across these types of people in the South where they think that someone is coming to get them, dare i say redneck?



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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: The NRA [Re: Innvertigo]
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"you're painting america with a rather broad brush aren't you?"
I didn't want to say that all america is like that. Weirdos are everywhere but in USA they can be armed.
My opinion is that who wants to have a weapon is weird enough that he shouldn't be allowed to have it.

"Where does you're uncle live BTW?"
Colorado Springs



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Re: The NRA [Re: zeronio]
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In reply to:
My opinion is that who wants to have a weapon is weird enough that he shouldn't be allowed to have it.




Well, since many times more are killed in auto accidents... does that mean that those who desire a drivers license are weird enough not to have one?
More are killed in falls down a set of stairs.... does this mean that any one who wants a two story house is weird enough not to be allowed one?Cigs and alchohol... well you get the idea. The weakness of your quoted statement is so bizarre as to have come from nugs. And believe me, that's not a compliment.



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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: The NRA [Re: zeronio]
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My opinion is that who wants to have a weapon is weird enough that he shouldn't be allowed to have it.
So those who run governments shouldn't be allowed weapons either if they want them?

It is not the lone individual we should most worry about. Take a quick look at the history of the 20th century. The governments which killed the greatest numbers of people within their own borders are those that outlawed the private ownership of guns. Coincidence? I think not.

How come Switzerland was never invaded by Germany? Every citizen was armed.

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Re: The NRA [Re: ]
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is the notion of militia in american society still based on why it was found? that is, to protect citizens from possible governmental force/opression (thats my understanding of militia in america)

and a question for fun!
if that is the case, would you (as a member of your local militia) shoot at an American soldier to defend your rights?

not invading switzerland was more a geographical consideration, i think (cause of the mountains?)

Edited by foghorn (07/08/02 05:22 PM)

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Re: The NRA [Re: foghorn]
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is the notion of militia in american society still based on why it was found? that is, to protect citizens from possible governmental force/opression

That is one purpose, to protect the states and the citizens from an over-reaching federal power. In the Constitution there is no provision for a standing army. The funding for the army is to be for only a two year period (if memory serves). The individual states were to supply the organized militias. The unorganized militias were understood to be composed of all able bodied male citizens. The founders understood the danger to liberty of a permanent federal military force, hence the reliance on the individual states to provide the organized militia, the limits on funding and the inclusion of the 2nd amendment. The constiution does provide for a Navy to protect shipping from predation by pirates and other hostile forces.



and a question for fun!
if that is the case, would you (as a member of your local militia) shoot at an American soldier to defend your rights?

I don't consider that a fun question. My trepidation to provide an answer to this question is illustrative of how far our liberties have been eroded and how dangerous our government has become, especially since the passage of the enabling acts, uh.. er I mean The Patriot Act. Should I have been living in or about the year 1800 I would answer that question with a hearty "Yes," with no fear of government suspicions or reprisal from agents of the federal police force. In fact, it would have been the only correct answer from a man who considers himself a patriot. Suffice to say, one should always keep his options open.



not invading switzerland was more a geographical consideration, i think (cause of the mountains?)

Terrain is always a consideration in any military operation, but usually not the most important. The following is from a piece by Dave Kopel, Research Director of the Independence Institute:

"The Wehrmacht expected 200,000 German casualties; it would have taken a very long time to remove the Swiss military from the Alpine ?Reduit? to which they planned to make a stand. And by the time the Swiss were defeated, every bridge and train track and everything else of value to the conquerors would have been destroyed."

"The reason that Switzerland was too difficult to invade?in contrast to all the other nations which Hitler conquered in a matter of weeks?was the Swiss militia system. Unlike all the other nations of Europe, which relied on a standing army, Switzerland was (and still is) defended by a universal militia. Every man was trained in war, had his rifle at home, was encouraged to practice frequently, and could be mobilized almost instantly. The Swiss militiaman was under orders to fight to the last bullet, and after that, with his bayonet, and after that, with his bare hands. Rather than having to defeat an army, Hitler would have had to defeat a whole people."

"From the Anschluss of Austria to the Fall of France, Hitler swallowed nation after nation where cowardly ruling elites surrendered the country to the Nazis?either before the shooting began, or a few weeks afterward. But such a surrender would have been impossible in Switzerland... The Swiss governmental system was decentralized, with the separate 26 cantons, not the federal government, having the authority. The federal government did notify the Swiss people that in case of a German invasion, any claim that there had been a Swiss surrender should be disregarded as Nazi propaganda. And because the military power was in the hands of every Swiss man, the federal government would have been unable to surrender had it ever wanted to. Nothing could stop the Swiss militiamen from fighting to the very end. "

Edited by Evolving (07/09/02 08:54 AM)

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Re: The NRA [Re: ]
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You could also say that all wars start because politicians convince their people that they need to defend themselfs:
Nazis had to defend from jews
Iraquis from Kuwait
Soviets from Afghanistan
USA from Vietnam
Communists from Capitalists
Capitalists from Communists
Serbs from Croatians
Croatians from Serbs
Russians from Chechens
Tutsis from Hutus
Palestinians from Izraelis
...

It's really a good thing there are so many guns around so we can defend ourselves.
The North Coreans are threatening civilized world, if we don't defend they will take over.


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Re: The NRA [Re: zeronio]
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You could also say that all wars start because politicians convince their people that they need to defend themselfs:

So you're beginning to see the problem is not freedom, but government.

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