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I had this feeling/belief...
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That when I die I'll finally know what all this is for.


Now the more I analyze it, I don't think I'm going to find out anything. My body will shut down, rot away, become a part of the Earth, and everything else around me will continue to go on as if I've never existed. No truths will be revealed, I won't float up to another dimension and meet god and co., or fall down and be poked for an eternity by the devil. I'm born, I die, I rot. I don't believe it's possible to consciously ascend into another plane of existence once death occurs. Death is as final as anything gets in my belief.

So how do I get the answers I'm looking for? I know there's more to all of this than meets the eye, in a physical spiritual sense, not a religious sense, but I'm afraid I'll never attain that enlightenment before I die, and I'll die without ever knowing what this was all for.

Edited by Newbie (09/09/06 11:25 PM)

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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Newbie]
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yep, there's only two options, really.

1. You die. Hey! turns out there really is something to this religion thing. OK, the answer is known. Afterlife proceeds.

2. OK, you die.

I guess re-incarnation is a possibility, but I would think [hope] that during or after the process answers are known.


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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Newbie]
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Answers. They're everywhere. This is why we have trouble agreeing on some. We're so selective. Often we think that only one answer is acceptable, that there is only one true answer.

In my opinion the best way to receive answers is to take them in their raw form, without labels, properties, and attachments. Let them digest and grow within you, then harvest the fruits of your questions, and maybe then you'll be happy with your answer. :heart:


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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: demiu5]
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Well chances are, I was already reincarnated if it's true. Wouldn't I know the answers then? I mean, I could have been anybody from January 3, 1986 before 6pm-ish.

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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Newbie]
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I don't know. I don't personally believe in reincarnation, nor religion. The only "spirit" I believe in is the underlying energy throughout the celestial body I live on, and those all around. Life is my belief or spirit.


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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: demiu5]
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Life goes on within you and without you.
Damn, didn't you ever raid your parent's record collection?  :wink:

:sunny:


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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Newbie]
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All your questions should be satisfied before taking your leave...otherwise you'll never know.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Newbie]
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Dont worry bout it. You think death is final, thats ok, doesnt mean you cant get enlightened while your living now. The Buddha himself was unconcerned with philisophical or metaphysical stuff, and if he did teach some people about that stuff it was only becuase he was working with what they already believed.

All you need for enlightenment is to understand the four noble truths and apply the eight fold path. Simple, straightforward, no nonsense. Enlightenment occurs when we have insight into our human condition. All life includes suffering, and the cause of our emotional/mental suffering is our attachment, understanding and ridding oursleves of this attachment is the way to liberate ourselves from suffering, and the way to do this is in the application of the eight fold path.

But dont take my word for it, im a very bad buddhist!  :wink:


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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Newbie]
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Haven't you ever talked to god? Whenever i take 5gs I get all the answers I ever wanted and a lot more that i didn't. Of course you can always write it off as drug induced dilerium... but I prefer to belive that we are mechanisms whereby the universe experiences itself.

or perhaps we are taste buds on the tounge of the world and every emotion is a different flavour, perhaps war is a really hot vindaloo and peace is vanilla custard?


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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Newbie]
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NewbieShroomie said:
That when I die I'll finally know what all this is for. 


Now the more I analyze it, I don't think I'm going to find out anything.  My body will shut down, rot away, become a part of the Earth, and everything else around me will continue to go on as if I've never existed.  No truths will be revealed, I won't float up to another dimension and meet god and co., or fall down and be poked for an eternity by the devil.  I'm born, I die, I rot.  I don't believe it's possible to consciously ascend into another plane of existence once death occurs.  Death is as final as anything gets in my belief.

So how do I get the answers I'm looking for?  I know there's more to all of this than meets the eye, in a physical spiritual sense, not a religious sense, but I'm afraid I'll never attain that enlightenment before I die, and I'll die without ever knowing what this was all for.


I think the same as you.

AND

I do not think that enlightenment will reveal the nature of ultimate reality either, so you can't get there from here. :mushroom2:

Don't worry, be happy. :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Newbie]
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everything else around me will continue to go on as if I've never existed.

While your body may rot after you die, when alive, you can be the cause or condition for many other effects and conditions to manifest. You can start or continue chain reactions of cause and effect, so it's not possible for reality to continue as if you've never existed.

I'm born, I die, I rot.

Who is the "I" character that is born, dies, and rots? One of the fundamental truths of reality is that it is selfless. Everything is empty, that is, without a true essence or soul. At what point does the essence of a dandelion seed die and is the dandelion sprout born? Reality happens like a continuum, with everything constantly transforming into something else. Since matter can neither be created nor destroyed, things cannot be born and things cannot die, they only change. The intuitive feeling of being a self distinct from everything else is illusionary.

Death is as final as anything gets in my belief.

What was born that can now die?

but I'm afraid I'll never attain that enlightenment before I die, and I'll die without ever knowing what this was all for.

Stop worrying about becoming enlightened. It's a sham. Enlightenment is here and now, not then and there. No one knows why things are the way they are. They just are the way they are, so it would make sense to harmonize yourself with the way things are, yes?

In other words, reality is like one just uncertain question mark. Embrace it and become part of the question mark.


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"Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."

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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Fractalated]
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Stop worrying about becoming enlightened. It's a sham. Enlightenment is here and now, not then and there. No one knows why things are the way they are. They just are the way they are, so it would make sense to harmonize yourself with the way things are, yes?

In other words, reality is like one just uncertain question mark. Embrace it and become part of the question mark.

So good, yes indeed. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Icelander]
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When I die, I'll realize that there was nothing to realize for realization is what you make of it, like any meaning it is created and discovered infinitly, and all meaning becomes meaningless to a higher more developed meaning, or more indepth meaning, such meaning will revolutionize awareness and change the state my being in which I will be dead in the sense that all things become empty through which I'll be evolutionized to a greater awareness, awareness is extinction of self and the death of all meaning knowable to man in connecting himself to this world, such the next level is the advancement of expontential meaning, level 5 and beyond

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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Fractalated]
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I agree with you on all counts. 

Original poster:  I think most of us westerners have come to this question.  I think if one does not choose Christianity, this becomes what we could see as fact.  I went through it my self.  I think its caused by thinking to simplistically and saying this all happened by random chance. 

Well.. whether it is through drug induced revelations or just figuring it out on a walk...  where part of "something".  And our ability to understand that "something" is, I'm sorry to say, extremely small.  So, as creatures that are aware of themselves..  I think we should live as much in the present as we can.  Live and find what boundaries the human mind has.

You don't need to be physically/mentally present to still have an effect on things.  Your choices and interactions are carried on by every life form you come in contact with.  Everything you are will go on.  :smile: :thumbup:


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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Toddo]
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Quote:
Your choices and interactions are carried on by every life form you come in contact with.


Yes!


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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Fractalated]
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Thanks a lot for the post, I understand what you're saying. I'm one of those people who picks everything apart until I have a headache. When I get into that mode of thought, I don't come out of it for a while. Every time I think I'm further along in my understanding, I'm right back where I began. It's frustrating, not having answers. I can live without them, but it sure would be nice to have them. I'm one of those people that would probably take a instant death just to learn the big secret...if there even is one.

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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Newbie]
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NewbieShroomie said:
Thanks a lot for the post, I understand what you're saying. I'm one of those people who picks everything apart until I have a headache. When I get into that mode of thought, I don't come out of it for a while. Every time I think I'm further along in my understanding, I'm right back where I began. It's frustrating, not having answers. I can live without them, but it sure would be nice to have them. I'm one of those people that would probably take a instant death just to learn the big secret...if there even is one.


Nice thread.

Yup, that sounds like me. Over thinking and was always trying to formulate what is reality and what happens when we die. After theory after theory after theory after studying all the different religions, studying quantum physics, spring theory, and theorizing and thinking some more, I would always come back to where I was, not knowing for sure.
The only way to achieve progress was .. in a way, to take a leap of faith that instead of studying books and trying to construct something, there is more to gain by analyze a quote, and most of the time these were all buddhist quotes.
There are tons, but the one I've found for you:
You can only attain liberation by clearly seeing that there is nothing to attain.
Intead of thinking and theorizing too much about what really is behind reality, give your full attention to the now, because that's what all reality is, and it's as good as it's going to get.

I write this because, back when I was younger, I felt like I was waiting to formulate the perfect explanation of reality, AND THEN I can be at peace somehow, or AND THEN I can grow spirituality after I attain this perfect formulation. Wasn't going to happen. Just gotta take that leap of faith... (which is still kinda hard to explain)

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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: demiu5]
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demius said:
yep, there's only two options, really.

1. You die. Hey! turns out there really is something to this religion thing. OK, the answer is known. Afterlife proceeds.

2. OK, you die.

I guess re-incarnation is a possibility, but I would think [hope] that during or after the process answers are known.


I'm not so sure that the answers would be known even in the afterlife. That's the reason for the Tibetan Book of the Dead: to train people on how to transcend the cycle of samsara when they're dying.


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Re: I had this feeling/belief... [Re: Silversoul]
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to train people on how to transcend the cycle of samsara when they're dying.

Why not transcend the cycle of samsara when they're living?


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"Now that the principalities and the powers stockpile weapons of mass destruction, contaminate the earth with their feverish industry, release floods of images to trigger insatiable desires, treat animals and humans as commodities and functions of a market, the devil must be grinning from ear to ear."

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