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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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if im severly retarded
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can i still be profoundly spiritual.or,will i be stuck rideing the short bus to to where they have the weird cool-aid that makes me take a dirt-nap.?

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: jungjedi]
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I think the better choice is go huff gas and make yourself more retarded, that way you don't have a mind, and nothing matters

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: capliberty]
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whats funnier?that or a nigger joke?

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: jungjedi]
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I think we both know the answer to that.

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: Stein]
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i cant fathom anything.im retarded

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: jungjedi]
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I wasn't aware that it was a question of "if". :smirk:

:wink:

Seriously, though, I think if you were to the extent that you were "severely retarded", you would not be capable of much functioning at all. Most human beings function "normally" and are still so clouded with mental obstructions that their direct perception and experience of reality is virtually nil. Being severely retarded isn't going to make it any easier.

It is interesting to contemplate what the experience of someone who is severely retarded would be. I think it would have to be along the lines of an aware fish (a more intelligent fish, like an oscar), albeit one that's natural sense of surroundings and environment is skewed. To be perfectly honest, I do not understand why parents allow severely retarded people to continue living. I would hate to seem cruel, but I simply ask why?

Perhaps the parents are so attached to their concept of the life that the severely retarded individual should be living if they were normal, that they cannot accept reality, and so carry the incredible burden of their nonacceptance? As if it was actually experiencing it as they should? Eh?

I recall last Christmas, when my parents, siblings, and grandparents came and stayed with us. Christmas day, before my grandparents left, we went out to IHOP to eat breakfast. There was a family at a table nearby who had a couple of severely retarded children. They would keep making these "mooing" sounds. It was actually pretty disturbing, and perhaps what is more disturbing is that these parents would actually try to carry out a normal life, taking the family out to eat, with individuals who are not even capable of having a sense of family.

Perhaps if I grew up in a family in which one of the children were severely retarded, I would "see the light", but I doubt it. I think it is a clear example of irrationality overriding natural selection, parents dragging around a half-dead body like a little girl cherising her baby doll as though it were alive. :wtf:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: jungjedi]
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Maybe a better question is: if you're retarded, will you become 'unretarded' when you die and go to heaven and your mind is released from your damaged physical brain that's making you retarded in the first place?

If so, then the natural next question is if my IQ is a little below average, will it become average when I die. Is everyone equalized when they go to heaven or will some of us still be endowed with natural abilities that others do not have? Is there a hierarchy in heaven?

Tough questions, eh? Or maybe none of us has a soul and we cease to exist when we die. That makes more sense than trying to kludge together nonsensical answers to tough questions in a misguided attempt at making our anthropomorphic view of the universe 'fit' reality.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (08/23/06 02:38 PM)

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: Diploid]
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Critical post. :thumbup:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: fireworks_god]
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Perhaps if I grew up in a family in which one of the children were severely retarded, I would "see the light", but I doubt it. I think it is a clear example of irrationality overriding natural selection, parents dragging around a half-dead body like a little girl cherising her baby doll as though it were alive.

I agree.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: Icelander]
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dip :heart:
It is a walking on ice to talk about 'spiritual experiences' here, but all I did receive for an answer in my long gone intensive spiritual research (which I wish to keep active [and updated] everyday) was that there is an hierarchical system in 'heaven', but it doesn't depend on 'intelligence' like we know it, based on the brain functions. It is more represented here in our human form as 'intelligence of the heart'.
At least, as I remember, of these informations I got, there are levels, but the 'neutral zone' is not in the middle. It is slightly shifted to one side, but I can't remember to which :grin:. At least it had to do with the 'nearness' to an absolute and multiversal truth, aka g*d, and on the other side the principal differentiation of it, based in existence. (edit: meaning: that there are generally more 'unspiritual', incarnation-bound  'souls' existing around)
Now, that is over 15 years ago, but it still influences me quite a big time and I keep on balancing that out.
Our 'intelligence' or 'effectiveness' here in this realm is extremely bound to this context, but our theoretical possibilities with different contexts are much much greater.

(edit:But, by rereading your post, perhaps I shooted too far for you missing the dribble :crazy:)


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

Edited by BlueCoyote (08/23/06 02:15 PM)

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: Diploid]
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Maybe a better question is: if you're retarded, will you become 'unretarded' when you die and go to heaven and your mind is released from your damaged physical brain that's making you retarded in the first place?

If so, then the natural next question is if my IQ is a little below average, will it become average when I die. Is everyone equalized when they go to heaven or will some of us still be endowed with natural abilities that others do not have? Is there a hierarchy in heaven?

Tough questions, eh? Or maybe none of us has a soul and we cease to exist when we die. That makes more sense than trying to kludge together nonsensical answers to tough questions in a misguided attempt at making make our anthropomorphic view of the universe 'fit' reality.

:flowers:  :heart:

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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Nice one MushManManiac :thumbup:


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ca'rouse (k-rouz)
intr.v.
To engage in boisterous, drunken merrymaking.

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: TODAY]
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woulodnt you feel retarded if when you got to heaven you met
PEARL E. GATES-STEVE MARTIN
MAN i have felt so,unilightened and retarded latley.like bad dogs were following me.and i see that with the world too.like i have fallen out of my plain of existence to this fabulous place on the brink of stardom.and i wonder what to do about it.about this world to.cause im not so self sentered.and,also my apologies for haveing insulted this plain of existence and those who have been habitating it for some time.and,kudos to me if i can make it back to my previous reality.wish me luck.

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: jungjedi]
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the answer is yes
if you are retarded you can be spiritual

sometimes autistics or down syndrome cases are very spiritual

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
Maybe a better question is: if you're retarded, will you become 'unretarded' when you die and go to heaven and your mind is released from your damaged physical brain that's making you retarded in the first place?

If so, then the natural next question is if my IQ is a little below average, will it become average when I die. Is everyone equalized when they go to heaven or will some of us still be endowed with natural abilities that others do not have? Is there a hierarchy in heaven?

Tough questions, eh? Or maybe none of us has a soul and we cease to exist when we die. That makes more sense than trying to kludge together nonsensical answers to tough questions in a misguided attempt at making our anthropomorphic view of the universe 'fit' reality.


I noticed that this post completely disregards the possibility of reincarnation.


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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: Silversoul]
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retarded is no problem
often a direct connection with the infinite is
more natural with less mentation interfering.


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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: Silversoul]
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"I noticed that this post completely disregards the possibility of reincarnation."

I noticed that this post completely disregards the possibility that death is final.


"One of us here has to change, and fast. One of us here has to learn again that death is the hunter, and that it is always to one's left. One of us here has to ask death's advice, and drop the cursed pettiness that belongs to men that live their lives as if death will never tap them." --Carlos Castaneda


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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the typical ideas of reincarnation and the finality of death doesn't ring true for me because i don't see any one person as a seperate individual.
in my view, one person is actually many people simultaneously.
as if there is one (or 36) being(s) and each being is millions of people at once.
there is alot of scientific conjecture to back this theory up too (superstring theory), along with spiritual doctrines.


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Law of Love

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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
"I noticed that this post completely disregards the possibility of reincarnation."

I noticed that this post completely disregards the possibility that death is final.


How so?


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Re: if im severly retarded [Re: Silversoul]
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I was copying your response to reply to the original poster. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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