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Reincarnation
    #2581884 - 04/20/04 11:29 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Here's an interesting article about a young boy's vivid memories of a past life as a Second World War pilot.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/dailycourier/news/s_189477.html
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About past lives ... Uniontown WW II flyer's memories in Louisiana boy


By Judy Kroeger
DAILY COURIER
Thursday, April 15, 2004


James Leininger, 6, of Lafayette, La., loves airplanes.

"He has always been extraordinarily interested in airplanes," said James' mother, Andrea Leininger, by telephone from their Louisiana home.

Lots of kids love airplanes, but James' story is unique. He has memories of being a World War II fighter pilot from Uniontown -- Lt. James McCready Huston, shot down near Iwo Jima in 1945.

At 18 months old, his father, Bruce Leininger, took James to the Kavanaugh Flight Museum in Dallas, Texas, where the toddler remained transfixed by World War II aircraft.

A few months later, the nightmares began.

"They were terrible, terrible," Andrea said. "He would scream, 'airplane crash, on fire, little man can't get out!' He'd be kicking, with his hands pointing up at the ceiling."

When James was 2 1/2 years old, he and Andrea were shopping and he wanted a toy airplane. "I said to him, 'Look, it has a bomb on the bottom' and he told me, 'That's not a bomb, it's a drop tank.' I had no idea what a drop tank was."

Neither of the Leiningers have ever served in the military, nor are they involved with aviation. Until James began showing an interest in planes, they had nothing aviation-related in their home.

Andrea's mother sent her a book by Pennsylvania author Carol Bowman, called "Children's Past Lives." The Leiningers started using Bowman's techniques of affirming James' nightmares and assuring him that the experiences happened to a different person, not the person he was now. "It helped. The nightmares stopped almost immediately," Andrea said.

However, the memories did not stop, but they do not come up all the time.

"I was reading him a story and he got a faraway look," she recalled. "I asked what happened to your plane? 'Got shot,' he said. Where? 'Engine.' Where did it crash? 'Water.' When I asked him who shot the plane, he gave me a look like a teenager, rolling his eyes, 'the Japanese,' like who else could it have been?

"What little kid knows about the Japanese," she asked. "He said he knew it was a Japanese plane because of the red sun. My husband and I were shell-shocked."

James provided other information. He said his earlier name was James, he flew a Corsair and took off on a boat called the Natoma, and he remembered a fellow flyer named Jack Larson.

Foods can set James' memories off, too.

"I hadn't made meatloaf in 10 years, so James had never had it," Andrea said. "When he sat down, he said, 'Meatloaf! I haven't had that since I was on the Natoma.' When we were getting ice cream one day, he told me that they could have ice cream every day on the Natoma."

Bruce began researching his son's memories and discovered a small escort carrier called the Natoma Bay, which was present at the Battle of Iwo Jima. Twenty-one of its crew perished. Bruce also discovered that only one of the Natoma's crew was named James, James Huston.

James Huston's plane was hit in the engine by Japanese fire on March 3, 1945, went down in flames and sank immediately. Flyer Jack Larson witnessed the crash.

James Huston was born Oct. 22, 1923, in South Bend, Ind., and lived in Uniontown during the 1930s. His father was James McCready Huston Sr., of Brownsville, and Daryl Green Huston, who was born in New Geneva and grew up in Uniontown. James was the only son.

According to Lt. Huston's cousin, Bob Huston of Flatwoods, the elder Huston started several newspapers and published 13 books. He was living in Brownsville when two Navy officers informed Huston of his son's death.

"I didn't know James," Bob Huston said. His parents were divorced, "but I knew his father. He stayed with us in Brownsville. James was on his 50th mission and would have come home if he'd lived another five minutes."

The Leiningers have been in touch with Bob Huston.

"I knew what happened to James (Huston)," he said. "I was excited to hear from them (the Leiningers). The boy's mother was flabbergasted when all this happened."

Andrea believes that her son is the reincarnation of Lt. James Huston. "There are so many little things. I believe in reincarnation now."

Her husband, Bruce, remains skeptical. "He started researching to disprove what James was telling us, and ended up proving it all," he said. "I think he believes that James Huston's spirit has manifested itself in our son somehow."

The Leiningers have been in touch with Natoma Bay veterans, too.

"We didn't tell the veterans for a long time," Andrea said, "but everyone has a story about having had a spirit visit them. James' sister, Anne Barron, was in California talking to him the day he was killed. Anne believes James' story, because he has provided so much information that only her brother could have known.

"Families of the 21 men who were killed are talking to each other," continued Andrea. "It's brought them together."

The Leiningers plan to attend this year's Natoma Bay reunion and bring their son, James.

Andrea doesn't know why this has happened.

"If he did come back, why? Maybe it was so my husband could write the book about the Natoma Bay," she said. "It helped turn the tide of the war in the Pacific and was one of the most highly decorated carriers, but it hasn't received much recognition."

She said her husband has been working on a chronology of what's happened to James and is researching the book. "He has flight plans from the missions and has spent a year and a half on research. In the introduction, he's writing about how he found out about the ship."

That discovery, through a toddler's fascination with airplanes and nightmares, has led to a segment on national television.

ABC contacted Carol Bowman about her work on children's past lives and James Leininger's experience was the most verifiable, Andrea said. "And we agreed to share his story."

Chris Cuomo will host the segment, which airs tonight at 10.


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    #2582123 - 04/20/04 12:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

very awesome
my older brother when he was only 4-5 used to talk about
'when he was a man' and lived on 'grey hill farm' constantly
he would describbe the whole farm in detail and talk about his family and the catfish that lived in the pond, all these things...
used to creep my mom out


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    #2582254 - 04/20/04 12:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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    #2582255 - 04/20/04 12:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

This reminds me of the Jeffrey Keene case. He is a firefighter who discovered many uncanny parallels between his life and the life of a Civil War general named John B. Gordon. The photo below shows a comparison between the facial appearance of Jeffrey Keene and General John Gordon.

General Gordon was a historical figure so there is quite a bit of information available on him.

"Keene has three markings on his face in the same locations where General Gordon was wounded: under the left eye, on the forehead, and across the right cheek."



More info on the Keene case:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation07.html


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    #2582415 - 04/20/04 01:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Jellric]
    #2582425 - 04/20/04 01:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I once saw an ant that looked exactly like one in a photo from 100 years ago. Spooky!

The ears, hair color and jaw line are all wrong, but no matter. Apparently the photographer reincarnated at the same time just to get the lighting and angle correct in order to fuck with people's heads.

Yes folks, we might as well throw genetics out the window and supplant it with reincarnation as the driving force behind heredity. Don't confuse yourself with the multitude of internal inconsistencies that this hypothesis brings as that would take the fun out of it.


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    #2582463 - 04/20/04 01:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It is insane that anyone would "buy" this stuff.

from the website:

For example, Keene once wrote a letter to the Fire Chief regarding his fire department's response to an emergency incident:

"With my radio restored, man power and apparatus were brought in and put under the guidance of Acting Lieutenant Christopher Ackley. While setting up a plan of action, Lieutenant Ackley displayed good common sense, knowledge, training and a deep concern for the safety of firefighters under his command. A large amount of gas entered the structure by way of a open window. Though we tried to remove all possible sources of ignition, we were able to remove all but two. The owner informed us that the house contained an oil-fired furnace and a hot water heater. There was no way to shut them off from the inside or outside. Using metering devices, a positive pressure fan and opening and closing windows, the hazard was removed."

In General Gordon's book, he describes the efforts of his men to put out a fire in Wrightsville, Pennsylvania:


"With great energy my men labored to save the bridge. I called on the citizens of Wrightsville for buckets and pails, but none were to be found. There was no lack of buckets and pails a little while later, when the town was on fire...My men labored as earnestly and bravely to save the town as they did to save the bridge. In the absence of fire-engines or other appliances, the only chance to arrest the progress of the flames was to form my men around the burning district, with the flank resting on the river's edge, and pass rapidly from hand to hand the pails of water. Thus, and thus only, was the advancing, raging fire met, and at a late hour of the night checked and conquered."

The comparison between Keene's and Gordon's writing style suggests they come from the same "voice".


It suggests two firefighters who both wrote in English. WOW! There you have it. Conclusive proof with absolutely no chasm-jumping. If that is not enough, read this unbiased statement:

"Though Keene has not found pictures of General Gordon's troops, one can only imagine that the same men who served under Gordon as troops now serve under Keene as firefighters. These firefighters have confirmed that Keene certainly displays the personality of a general."

I am blown away!


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    #2582925 - 04/20/04 03:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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    #2583001 - 04/20/04 03:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

lol yeah that is totally bullshit.. especially the "one can only imagine that that the same people now serve as firefighters" bit
But the other two stories are pretty incredible arent they?


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    #2583070 - 04/20/04 03:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You are in for a rare treat. Look thru the archives at many years of dry humor, quips, biting sarcasm, irony, puns and witticisms; or order "Swami: The Early Years". This comprehensive volume covers the 1996-2001 time period. $29.95 (hardcover) + $9.95 s&h or you can come over and we can work out a deal. Swami likes latinas...  :yesnod:


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    #2583183 - 04/20/04 03:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

lol yeah that is totally bullshit.. especially the "one can only imagine that that the same people now serve as firefighters" bit But the other two stories are pretty incredible arent they?

The author of the webpage was clearly reaching in trying to sell the thing instead of just presenting the facts, but I don't hold that against keeping an open mind towards the case.

The clear physical similarities and the three markings on Keene's face that are in the same spot as the general's wounds are pretty interesting.

I find all three stories to be pretty incredible.


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    #2583197 - 04/20/04 03:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"He has always been extraordinarily interested in airplanes," said James' mother, Andrea Leininger, by telephone from their Louisiana home. Lots of kids love airplanes, but James' story is unique. He has memories of being a World War II fighter pilot from Uniontown -- Lt. James McCready Huston, shot down near Iwo Jima in 1945.
Did I miss something here? The kid NEVER mentioned the name "Huston" ever! But after filling in the blanks, they act "as if" he had said that name.

At 18 months old, his father, Bruce Leininger, took James to the Kavanaugh Flight Museum in Dallas, Texas, where the toddler remained transfixed by World War II aircraft. A few months later, the nightmares began. "They were terrible, terrible," Andrea said. "He would scream, 'airplane crash, on fire, little man can't get out!' He'd be kicking, with his hands pointing up at the ceiling."
Yup, children are impressionable. I loved science and aviation museums as a kid and also had nightmare. Maybe I am Charles Lindberg.

When James was 2 1/2 years old, he and Andrea were shopping and he wanted a toy airplane. "I said to him, 'Look, it has a bomb on the bottom' and he told me, 'That's not a bomb, it's a drop tank.' I had no idea what a drop tank was."
A parent's ignorance clearly shows reincarnation. My dad did not know about electric motors; therefore I MUST be Nikola Tesla.

Andrea's mother sent her a book by Pennsylvania author Carol Bowman, called "Children's Past Lives." The Leiningers started using Bowman's techniques of affirming James' nightmares and assuring him that the experiences happened to a different person, not the person he was now. "It helped. The nightmares stopped almost immediately," Andrea said.
No "poisoning of the well" here, folks.

"I was reading him a story and he got a faraway look," she recalled. "I asked what happened to your plane? 'Got shot,' he said. Where? 'Engine.' Where did it crash? 'Water.' When I asked him who shot the plane, he gave me a look like a teenager, rolling his eyes, 'the Japanese,' like who else could it have been?

"What little kid knows about the Japanese," she asked. "He said he knew it was a Japanese plane because of the red sun. My husband and I were shell-shocked."

Knowledge of history picked up from an aviation museum and TV equals reincarnation. How much more proof does one need?

James provided other information. He said his earlier name was James,
Doh!

"I hadn't made meatloaf in 10 years, so James had never had it," Andrea said. "When he sat down, he said, 'Meatloaf! I haven't had that since I was on the Natoma.' When we were getting ice cream one day, he told me that they could have ice cream every day on the Natoma."
Was in the Navy in peacetime and ice cream was a rare treat. During wartime this luxury would be unlikely.

Bruce began researching his son's memories and discovered a small escort carrier called the Natoma Bay, which was present at the Battle of Iwo Jima. Twenty-one of its crew perished. Bruce also discovered that only one of the Natoma's crew was named James, James Huston.
Notice the name Huston was added after-the-fact as I already mentioned. Now let's do the math: The Natoma had a crew of 860 men with only one member named James. Swami no think so and will wager against it.

Andrea believes that her son is the reincarnation of Lt. James Huston.
Many think I am the devil incarnate, so what?

She said her husband has been working on a chronology of what's happened to James and is researching the book. "He has flight plans from the missions and has spent a year and a half on research. In the introduction, he's writing about how he found out about the ship."
Why research when he has his son? Oh, he needs to spoon-feed the kid info before he goes on TV and to get the facts straight before completing the book.

That discovery, through a toddler's fascination with airplanes and nightmares, has led to a segment on national television.
Nothing like a peer-reviewed scientific investigation.


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Swami]
    #2583317 - 04/20/04 04:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

When James was 2 1/2 years old, he and Andrea were shopping and he wanted a toy airplane. "I said to him, 'Look, it has a bomb on the bottom' and he told me, 'That's not a bomb, it's a drop tank.' I had no idea what a drop tank was."
A parent's ignorance clearly shows reincarnation. My dad did not know about electric motors; therefore I MUST be Nikola Tesla.



You knew how an electric motor worked when you were two? You must be then :tongue:

I think the story's highly unlikely. If kids can make up an imaginary friend, why wouldn't they be able to make up an imaginary self?
Curious how every reincarnation claimant has a former life during a major historical event :stoned:

On the one with the photos: PhotoShop, anyone?


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    #2583593 - 04/20/04 05:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

On the one with the photos: PhotoShop, anyone?

I don't buy that since any descrepency would be apparent to anyone meeting the man.


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    #2583728 - 04/20/04 06:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hmmm... the interesting part is, you can look up the general's picture, since he's a historical figure, but why would anyone put a fireman's picture on a site with enough hits to make to the first four pages of a search engine?

What I mean is, while the general can be researched by the general public, the firman cannot.


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    #2583785 - 04/20/04 06:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What I mean is, while the general can be researched by the general public, the firman cannot.

His name is Jeffrey J. Keene. Occupation: Assistant Fire Chief. City: Westport, Connecticut.

So anyone sufficiently interested can just stroll into the firehouse and it would be readily apparent if someone doctored his photo. Personally, I wouldn't commit fraud when it could be easily disproven by a simple visit to a public building.


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    #2583972 - 04/20/04 07:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Methinks words are cheap. Who would make to effort to go there? A believe wouldn't, because he/she believes the story already. A disbeliever wouldn't either, because they disbelieve the story anyhow. What are we left with? Skeptics.
Suppose you're living in the U.S. (which I, personally, am not). Would you pay for a plane ticket to check on something like this? Would you risk wasting a day's worth of time if the story turned out not to be true? Would you really do it, and I'm not talking about the hypothetic answer here, I'm talking about the real deal. The effort, the works.
The truth is, most people really couldn't be bothered to check out the evidence for themselves, and would fit either the believer or disbeliever category.
If a Connecticut native would go to the public building in question, he'd still have to find out at what times said Jeffrey J. Keene were to be found there. Say the story were false. To all likelihood, the person would be disappointed for wasting his/her time, not willing to spend any more time refuting the idea on the internet, let alone publicly.
Suppose the story turned out to be true. Would you think it of cosmic significance to convince the rest of the nation (the state perhaps) that the story was true, that reincarnation actually took place?

On a side note, as Swami has already stated, reincarnation doesn't tie into physical looks, into DNA.
Furthermore, the credentials on Dr. Semkiw's website aren't actually that good. One is a new age journalist, judging by his website, and the other is an alternative doctor (not generally valued for their scientific knowledge, am I wrong?).
If you read the summary of his book, stating that George Dubya Bush is a reincarnation of a revolutionary strips you of at least some credibility. Patriottism? Big plus. Credibility? Nah. Dubya can be interpreted as a puppet conditioned by his father and tied to the Carlyle group, but hardly as the reincarnation of some revolutionary, Daniel Morgan in this case.
Other than physical resemblance (facial only it seems, because strength and stamina would hardly befit Dubya), there is nothing to base this claim on, except the symbolic tie of Morgan leading a squadron of rangers and Bush being a former owner of the Texas Rangers, which, in itself is far-fetched, to say the least.


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    #2584060 - 04/20/04 08:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

If a Connecticut native would go to the public building in question, he'd still have to find out at what times said Jeffrey J. Keene were to be found there. Say the story were false. To all likelihood, the person would be disappointed for wasting his/her time, not willing to spend any more time refuting the idea on the internet, let alone publicly.




I find it hard to believe that if a person were so highly motivated as to go through the trouble of checking this out for themselves that they wouldn't also take the relatively easy step of putting their evidence on the internet.

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Suppose the story turned out to be true. Would you think it of cosmic significance to convince the rest of the nation (the state perhaps) that the story was true, that reincarnation actually took place?




Cosmic significance? Probably not. But hardly trivial. (Let's not pretend it's one or the other). Even though I don't have immediate plans to check this out myself (everyone chip in for a plane ticket and I will) given the media attention I find it highly unlikely that no one has done so. And if someone would go through that trouble, putting the information on the internet is relatively easy. So finding no info invalidating the physical traits he mentioned leads me to believe it is probably true. Case closed? No. Good enough for me? Yes.


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