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InvisibleSwami
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The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation
    #4027434 - 04/07/05 06:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If karma and reincarnation were real and the driving force behind why "stuff" happens, then nothing "good" or "bad" could happen to a first timer on this planet until he/she did acts to create karma. Because the whole "hypothesis" doesn't even make sense using it's own logic, yet another layer of B.S. must be added to attempt to fill the gaping hole/inconsistency.

This type of additional apology/explanation is ALWAYS a warning sign of a failed model.


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Swami]
    #4027466 - 04/07/05 06:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Can you explain fully the Hindu model for this? I don't pretend to understand it and I find myself unable to agree or disagree with you on this because of my lack of information.


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Swami]
    #4027473 - 04/07/05 07:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck "karma", that's a word. But do you believe that gasses will spread out to fill a vacuum? Same as it is with life, pressures tend to equalize. Reincarnation? Bah, i say bullshit too. I've have no reason to believe that I will ever have to do this shit again.


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4027532 - 04/07/05 07:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It is foolish to believe idea's given to you at face value without further reflection, I think most including Swami would agree with this. As an example, someone blindly following the metaphysical belief that their actions will ripple through space/time and come back to them and that their consciousness will be reborn. Another example, someone blindly following the skeptical belief that the former belief is how it was meant when concieved instead of the possibility that it was a metaphor and/or could have been meant to describe certain states of consciousness, or aspects of psychology however you'd like to say it.


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Lux]
    #4027561 - 04/07/05 07:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

O.K., but I remain convinced that I'm never going to die and be reborn as "Joe Peterson".


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Lux]
    #4027579 - 04/07/05 07:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What is your take on the idea of things working in complete cycles? Not so much "Karma" per say 'You treat people like shit, a piano will drop on your head,' more along the lines of "If we continue to take resources from this earth, without putting back (giving to the overall wealth), then we will inevitably face disaster. What goes around comes around, too bland. I do adhere to things operating in an unavoidable cycle.


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4027586 - 04/07/05 07:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Id like to see a little more instant karma. That would have a real impact on how we act. The other ideas of karma seem farfetched. But I'll find out in a few years now won't I. :grin:


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Icelander]
    #4027619 - 04/07/05 07:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"Instant karma". hahaha I always thought that sounded like a soup mix.


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4027627 - 04/07/05 07:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sound like a soup mix, and operates in a similar fashion right? haha


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Shagshow]
    #4027672 - 04/07/05 07:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Instant karma brand soup mix..

Directions:

Open package, add boiling water, pour on your head. Enjoy!


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4027676 - 04/07/05 07:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Forgot step one..."Hurt someone else"


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Shagshow]
    #4027681 - 04/07/05 07:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You have to hurt someone else in order to get the soup in the first place.


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4027691 - 04/07/05 07:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Gotcha


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4027692 - 04/07/05 07:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And the other fine product:

"Sweet rewards" brand chocolate bars.

directions: do good towards others, open package, be raptured away in creamy sexual chocolate goodness.


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4027841 - 04/07/05 08:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I just made up one sentance to prove entire generations of philosophy and spiritual searching wrong.

Yay me!


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Swami]
    #4028203 - 04/07/05 09:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

>> If karma and reincarnation were real and the driving force behind why "stuff" happens, then nothing "good" or "bad" could happen to a first timer on this planet until he/she did acts to create karma.

All phenomena are effects which depend upon prior causes to sustain their existence. These effects serve as the sustaining causes of future effects. There is no single phenomenon that exists independent of it's previous moment of existence. Because this is true, phenomena are beginningless, and karma and reincarnation are necessary elements of life's continuity. There are no "first timers" on this planet or within any realm of existence, because all phenomena, including living beings, stretch infinitely backwards through time.

Behind all the arrogant fanfare the scientific community has decorated itself with by debunking the supernatural, science has allowed itself one miraculous inscrutibility: the "big bang". According to scientists, the big bang is the lone phenomena in all of existence that is causeless in it's origin. How does this differ from belief in God? A Christian would say that all things go back to God, and that God is the one causeless originating factor in existence. After such a history of mocking Christianity and other religious schools of thought, science has asked us to accept all phenomena as being traceable back to something called the "big bang", which is identical to "God" in that it is touted as the one origin independent of the otherwise incontrovertible law of causality.

And so we can see how science is essentially a religion of self-importance, arising quite appropriately at the time when our civilization began to conceive of itself as this planet's divinely ordained king and possessor, be it by the authority of God or of evolution. This rigorous intellectual process, called "scientific method", is merely a testament to our adherence to principle objectivity, and it's through this unique flavour of blind faith that we repeatedly assure ourselves that we are justified in what we do and that our lives have a very important purpose. Identical to any institutionalized religion, science is but another school of thought dedicated to the comfort and warmth of a population which finds the indefinability of it's own identity and purpose absolutely unbearable.


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Ped]
    #4028260 - 04/07/05 10:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:cheers: :handth: :heart:


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Swami]
    #4028309 - 04/07/05 10:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

gnosis pwns j00


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Ped]
    #4028836 - 04/07/05 11:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Apparently you are either ignorant of how science works, or are feigning ignorance to attempt to make a point.

The Big Bang was not just some made up story, but a hypothesis congruent with much of the cosmic evidence, such as the apparent age of the universe, its uniform temperature, cosmic radiation, observing the birth and death of stars, rates of galactic expansion and so forth. This differs night and day from religious cosmologies based soley on ancient superstitions.

Yes, the Big Bang, if true, just leads to another mystery, but so what? Science is an incremental unraveling of life's mysteries. It has never claimed that all things can be understood at the deepest level; only that we can increase our understanding.


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Re: The B.S.(*ding ding*) of Karma and Reincarnation [Re: Swami]
    #4028916 - 04/08/05 12:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If a person believes that "karma" and "reincarnation" are true.

And living this "lifestyle" makes them a better person.


How is that B.S.




No one can prove or disprove "karma" or "reincarnation".

Just like no one can prove or disprove the "big bang" theory.


Both beliefs work......for different people.


Saying that one or the other is B.S. is ignorant because neither one can be proved.


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