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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
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There are no universal truths. Truth is a human concept and it requires humans to exist. In this way truth cannot be universal or independant of humans. Truth is defined by the culture and the individual only. It is a totally subjective phenomenon.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: FungusMan]
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FungusMan said:
Everything in existence is part of its own triad.



OOOoooooooo, that strikes a chord....    :tongue:



>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
>^;;^<

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: PhanTomCat]
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chord.....nice pun


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"You cannot trust in law, unless you can trust in people. If you can trust in people, you don't need law." -J. Mumma

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: PhanTomCat]
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PhanTomCat said:
FungusMan said:
Everything in existence is part of its own triad.



OOOoooooooo, that strikes a chord....    :tongue:



>^;;^<


Let me iterate. An atom has how many basic parts? A child comes from what? besides land and sea, what else is there?Sky! Three is the number of existence. And yes, there ARE universal truths. Truths that are shared by any custom or culture. Even the Christians knew this when they adopted the sacred Triad of father, Son, And holy Spirit.

Even religiously, most religions believe in three realms. The land of the living, land of the dead, and the realm of god. 3 is the most prominent mystical number.

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: FungusMan]
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FungusMan said:
PhanTomCat said:
FungusMan said:
Everything in existence is part of its own triad.



OOOoooooooo, that strikes a chord....    :tongue:



>^;;^<


Even the Christians knew this when they adopted the sacred Triad of father, Son, And holy Spirit.



no women allowed!


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"You cannot trust in law, unless you can trust in people. If you can trust in people, you don't need law." -J. Mumma

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
There are no universal truths. Truth is a human concept and it requires humans to exist. In this way truth cannot be universal or independant of humans. Truth is defined by the culture and the individual only. It is a totally subjective phenomenon.


Agree.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Greetings!

I respectfully disagree based upon divergent notions of Truth. I regard Truth as synonymous with Reality. When Pontius Pilate asked Jesus "What is Truth?," His response was silence, because Truth inquired of is a 'snapshot' of human awareness and the snapshot, or moment includes all of Reality, not just the peceptual limits of human experience. I mean, who knows what is going on around the corner, let alone in a distant galaxy? All of Reality, simultaneously taken is the Truth, so what could be uttered except perhaps a single [indicating simple] exclamation that symbolizes the entirety of Reality? Perhaps a Zennist "MU!," or a Westerner's ejaculation "GOD!" Or, as Jesus chose, Pure Silence.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (04/30/06 05:17 PM)

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Nice one markos I was trying to decide how to say that same thing when i saw someone say humans make the truth. Honestly I'm interested in how that guy got to that point. Crazy

Now on to the beatles

Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.

There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time
It's easy.

All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.

There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.

All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together now)
All you need is love (everybody)
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.


How someone took this song and said satanist is beyond me. Its probrobly from their spending time with teh buddists and hindus. It also fits with jesus' message. and countless other religions, but certainly not satanism. come on now.

Universal truths are everywhere. Pi the number 3.14... is a universal truth, so is the golden ratio 1.618/1 is a universal truth of nature. Evolution(both biological and environmental) is a universal truth as everything is in constant change. These things have no execptions. So do not say there is no such thing as universal truth. I'm sure there are others. peace

blaze2


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"Religion without science is blind, Science without religion is lame." Albert Einstein

"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: blaze2]
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Thanks Blaze2, and I suppose a deranged or disordered mind could discern satanism in that Beatle song.

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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"There's nothing you can make that can't be made."
Who says what can not be made ?
Only effort and/or time and/or g*d will show !
(for example)


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

Edited by BlueCoyote (04/30/06 06:03 PM)

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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"There's nothing you can MAKE that can't be made."  Isn't this a self-evident statement?  They did not sing "there's nothing that can't be made."  By definition, anything you can make, can be made.  :rolleyes:

I think you've been led astray by the "StarGods."

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
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By definition, anything you can make, can be made is true, but is the reverse true, too ?
I am fully aware of the slight shift in perception there and that is, what makes me start to wonder. For declaration: I always liked the Beatles music, but as being german, I never really looked for the words. Until recently.
Love Love Love sounds beautiful, of course, but if you look at the following text, there is one base-line, I can not bring in accordance to this.
If we would not put effort to do something, for example realize our dreams, we would be in stone age still. Before 300 years, no one would see, that a man can fly. So if we follow the beatles lines, men can't fly, so why put any effort into it ?
For me it sounds like, giving up your effort.
Other example:"No one you can save that can't be saved."
Horrible vision, drowning. Assumed there could have been things done to save someone, they just didn't fit in the moment (the safetyboats were rotten), wouldn't it be worthy to improve the efforts to make them fit in the moment in the future ?
For me that sounds like, shrugging ones shoulders, after one has drowned and have another beer. Singing "Let it be"


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

Edited by BlueCoyote (04/30/06 07:51 PM)

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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:shrug: Must be a language thing.  To me, the lyrics are not at all about giving up, but about acknowledging the obvious.  Every line simply states that if it can be done, it can be done.  Of course the reverse is also true: if it can't be done, it can't be done.  How this gets translated into apathy or callous disinterest, I do not understand.
They never say "it's hopeless, don't try, let it be." (That last line is from another song. :wink:)

Edited by Veritas (04/30/06 08:07 PM)

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
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I agree with Mark somewhat

My thoughts............ Truth is what we learn combined with what we feel is best. Truth is a concept more than a reality.

Fact is fact and truth is well.......... truth.

And the same can be said about fact I suppose....... Round and round we go:lol:


But........... I think one " Truth " for me and for all is .....


Symbiosis........all things need each other and exist in a mixed harmony of square and round pegs. Every fiber of the known universe has a symbiotic relationship to each other.


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
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"Men can't fly, so you can't make them to."
Perhaps this is the error I see there :shrug:
[yes, with the 'Let it be' I wanted to close the circle :wink:]


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Well, the fact of the matter is, men cant' fly, but we have invented machines which can.  :grin:

Sorry, Blue, this song just doesn't say what you are hearing.  Whatever Satanist connections the Beatles may or may not have had, this song is not about giving up, being hopeless, or ignoring someone who is drowning.  It's about L-O-V-E!  :heart:

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
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Didn't you know " LOVE " is a nasty word on this board.


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Fucknuckle]
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I guess I'm nasty then, 'cause I use it all the time. :grin:

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Other example:"No one you can save that can't be saved."
Horrible vision, drowning. Assumed there could have been things done to save someone, they just didn't fit in the moment (the safetyboats were rotten), wouldn't it be worthy to improve the efforts to make them fit in the moment in the future ?

That view of this line never crossed my mind. Ultimately you have no control over other people. they either choose to change or they dont. Everyone makes that desicion for themselves. So you can really only save someone if they have the potential to be saved. meaning they made the choice. Peace

blaze2


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"Religion without science is blind, Science without religion is lame." Albert Einstein

"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
I guess I'm nasty then, 'cause I use it all the time. :grin:


I just LOVE you.................. :smile: Let your freak flag fly :heart:


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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