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Universal Truths Anyone?
    #5564803 - 04/27/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Anyone have any thoughts on any universal truths? This came up in a conversation today with a friend, and I think I believe that everything follows a pattern. my example is the structure of an atom, nucleus with electrons zinging around it, if you compare it to a solar system, same structure yes?

sometime before our sun burns up the Andromada Galaxy is suppose to collied with the milky way...which makes me think of a covalent bond between atoms. we could very well be one large molecule.

so that was my though..whats yours?!?


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
    #5564839 - 04/27/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Comparing an atom to our solar system doesn't quite work out. The simplified model of an atom taught in high school is not very accurate. If you're interested, here is a more accurate model. I agree that there are many reoccurring patterns in life though.

Another universal truth I believe is honesty is always the best policy.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
    #5564878 - 04/27/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Reality is real.

Existence exists.

A is A.




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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
    #5565589 - 04/28/06 01:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

there are no universal truths, except for that one.
there are always exceptions, except for that one.
all is and all isnt.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
    #5566004 - 04/28/06 04:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Mystery is Truth. Mystery precedes Existence.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Basilides]
    #5566293 - 04/28/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yin-Yang


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
    #5566329 - 04/28/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Anyone have any thoughts on any universal truths?

"Twas ever thus" (Mr. Natural)


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Icelander]
    #5566362 - 04/28/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The only universal truth that comes to mind is that change is constant.

The fact that change is constant is self-evident. Universal truth.

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
    #5566574 - 04/28/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.

There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time
It's easy.

All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.

There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.

All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together now)
All you need is love (everybody)
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
    #5566613 - 04/28/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

And food. :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
    #5566820 - 04/28/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ah, the all satanistic Beatles :lol:
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Give up you hope, love love
You wont see something different, love love
You are left to your own, love love
You are trapped where you are, love love
Nothing can be achieved, love love
And now all: Give up your hope, love love
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They fooled the people..love love
:rofl:


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5566862 - 04/28/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The Beatles were Satanists?  That's news to me...and probably to them, too.  :lol:


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
    #5566907 - 04/28/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"I buried Paul"  (After sacrificing him in a satanic ritual) :wink:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Icelander]
    #5566912 - 04/28/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Everything in existence is part of its own triad.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: FungusMan]
    #5566956 - 04/28/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Right on fungus amongus. :thumbup:


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
    #5567636 - 04/28/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust....



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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
    #5568186 - 04/28/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The Beatles were Satanists?  That's news to me...and probably to them, too.  :lol:



http://www.stargods.org/BeatlesEvil.html
I think that is an interesting read.

Quote:

"They're COMPLETELY ANTI-CHRIST. I mean, I am anti-Christ as well, but they're so anti-Christ they shock me which isn't an easy thing." Derek Taylor, Press Officer for the Beatles

"I believed that he was Satan himself at times" George Martin, Beatles Producer

"Jesus, a garlic-eating, stinking little yellow, greasy fascist bastard catholic Spaniard." (John Lennon, A Spaniard in the Works, p.14)

"Christianity will go, it will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that. I'm right and will be proved right. You just wait.. . .We're more powerfull than Jesus ever was.." John Lennon




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Edited by BlueCoyote (04/28/06 08:02 PM)


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5568333 - 04/28/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:lol:  That sight is amusing.  I expect that they have a chapter on "25 pound baby born with bat wings!" too.

I love their "proof" that many 60's bands made a deal with the devil:  all of them have had a band member DIE!  (Wow...40 years ago they were 20 or 30 years old, and now one of the band members is DEAD!  They must be Satanists!!)

Sorry, Blue, I just can't go for the tabloid website as support for the Beatles being Satanists. 

Universal Truth:  there IS no universal truth to be known by us, just individual guesses.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
    #5568419 - 04/28/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

your existence is a dream, it may have very real feelings and experiences and real seemingly objective constraints... it may even be a dream that is shared with other conscious entities, but it is none the less a dream


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
    #5568465 - 04/28/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hehe, yes, I think they speak of some 'unnatural deaths' along the band members.
At least the quoted comments of the two guys who should know them amaze me to some bits.

Universal truth ? I think we should start with self and earth as bondings first.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
    #5570250 - 04/29/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There are no universal truths. Truth is a human concept and it requires humans to exist. In this way truth cannot be universal or independant of humans. Truth is defined by the culture and the individual only. It is a totally subjective phenomenon.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: FungusMan]
    #5570338 - 04/29/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

FungusMan said:
Everything in existence is part of its own triad.





OOOoooooooo, that strikes a chord....    :tongue:



>^;;^<


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5571137 - 04/29/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

chord.....nice pun


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5572224 - 04/29/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Quote:

FungusMan said:
Everything in existence is part of its own triad.





OOOoooooooo, that strikes a chord....    :tongue:



>^;;^<




Let me iterate. An atom has how many basic parts? A child comes from what? besides land and sea, what else is there?Sky! Three is the number of existence. And yes, there ARE universal truths. Truths that are shared by any custom or culture. Even the Christians knew this when they adopted the sacred Triad of father, Son, And holy Spirit.

Even religiously, most religions believe in three realms. The land of the living, land of the dead, and the realm of god. 3 is the most prominent mystical number.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: FungusMan]
    #5572240 - 04/29/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

FungusMan said:
Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Quote:

FungusMan said:
Everything in existence is part of its own triad.





OOOoooooooo, that strikes a chord....    :tongue:



>^;;^<




Even the Christians knew this when they adopted the sacred Triad of father, Son, And holy Spirit.





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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5572385 - 04/29/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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There are no universal truths. Truth is a human concept and it requires humans to exist. In this way truth cannot be universal or independant of humans. Truth is defined by the culture and the individual only. It is a totally subjective phenomenon.




Agree.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5574010 - 04/30/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Greetings!

I respectfully disagree based upon divergent notions of Truth. I regard Truth as synonymous with Reality. When Pontius Pilate asked Jesus "What is Truth?," His response was silence, because Truth inquired of is a 'snapshot' of human awareness and the snapshot, or moment includes all of Reality, not just the peceptual limits of human experience. I mean, who knows what is going on around the corner, let alone in a distant galaxy? All of Reality, simultaneously taken is the Truth, so what could be uttered except perhaps a single [indicating simple] exclamation that symbolizes the entirety of Reality? Perhaps a Zennist "MU!," or a Westerner's ejaculation "GOD!" Or, as Jesus chose, Pure Silence.


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Edited by MarkostheGnostic (04/30/06 03:17 PM)


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5574081 - 04/30/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nice one markos I was trying to decide how to say that same thing when i saw someone say humans make the truth. Honestly I'm interested in how that guy got to that point. Crazy

Now on to the beatles

Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.

There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time
It's easy.

All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.

There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.

All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together now)
All you need is love (everybody)
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.


How someone took this song and said satanist is beyond me. Its probrobly from their spending time with teh buddists and hindus. It also fits with jesus' message. and countless other religions, but certainly not satanism. come on now.

Universal truths are everywhere. Pi the number 3.14... is a universal truth, so is the golden ratio 1.618/1 is a universal truth of nature. Evolution(both biological and environmental) is a universal truth as everything is in constant change. These things have no execptions. So do not say there is no such thing as universal truth. I'm sure there are others. peace

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: blaze2]
    #5574394 - 04/30/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Blaze2, and I suppose a deranged or disordered mind could discern satanism in that Beatle song.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5574493 - 04/30/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"There's nothing you can make that can't be made."
Who says what can not be made ?
Only effort and/or time and/or g*d will show !
(for example)


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'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Edited by BlueCoyote (04/30/06 04:03 PM)


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5574593 - 04/30/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"There's nothing you can MAKE that can't be made."  Isn't this a self-evident statement?  They did not sing "there's nothing that can't be made."  By definition, anything you can make, can be made.  :rolleyes:

I think you've been led astray by the "StarGods."


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
    #5574766 - 04/30/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

By definition, anything you can make, can be made is true, but is the reverse true, too ?
I am fully aware of the slight shift in perception there and that is, what makes me start to wonder. For declaration: I always liked the Beatles music, but as being german, I never really looked for the words. Until recently.
Love Love Love sounds beautiful, of course, but if you look at the following text, there is one base-line, I can not bring in accordance to this.
If we would not put effort to do something, for example realize our dreams, we would be in stone age still. Before 300 years, no one would see, that a man can fly. So if we follow the beatles lines, men can't fly, so why put any effort into it ?
For me it sounds like, giving up your effort.
Other example:"No one you can save that can't be saved."
Horrible vision, drowning. Assumed there could have been things done to save someone, they just didn't fit in the moment (the safetyboats were rotten), wouldn't it be worthy to improve the efforts to make them fit in the moment in the future ?
For me that sounds like, shrugging ones shoulders, after one has drowned and have another beer. Singing "Let it be"


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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Edited by BlueCoyote (04/30/06 05:51 PM)


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5574843 - 04/30/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:shrug: Must be a language thing.  To me, the lyrics are not at all about giving up, but about acknowledging the obvious.  Every line simply states that if it can be done, it can be done.  Of course the reverse is also true: if it can't be done, it can't be done.  How this gets translated into apathy or callous disinterest, I do not understand.
They never say "it's hopeless, don't try, let it be." (That last line is from another song. :wink:)


Edited by Veritas (04/30/06 06:07 PM)


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: soylent_green]
    #5574848 - 04/30/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with Mark somewhat

My thoughts............ Truth is what we learn combined with what we feel is best. Truth is a concept more than a reality.

Fact is fact and truth is well.......... truth.

And the same can be said about fact I suppose....... Round and round we go:lol:


But........... I think one " Truth " for me and for all is .....


Symbiosis........all things need each other and exist in a mixed harmony of square and round pegs. Every fiber of the known universe has a symbiotic relationship to each other.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
    #5574877 - 04/30/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Men can't fly, so you can't make them to."
Perhaps this is the error I see there :shrug:
[yes, with the 'Let it be' I wanted to close the circle :wink:]


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5574902 - 04/30/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, the fact of the matter is, men cant' fly, but we have invented machines which can:grin:

Sorry, Blue, this song just doesn't say what you are hearing.  Whatever Satanist connections the Beatles may or may not have had, this song is not about giving up, being hopeless, or ignoring someone who is drowning.  It's about L-O-V-E!  :heart:


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
    #5574918 - 04/30/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Didn't you know " LOVE " is a nasty word on this board.


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5574928 - 04/30/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I'm nasty then, 'cause I use it all the time. :grin:


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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5574931 - 04/30/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Other example:"No one you can save that can't be saved."
Horrible vision, drowning. Assumed there could have been things done to save someone, they just didn't fit in the moment (the safetyboats were rotten), wouldn't it be worthy to improve the efforts to make them fit in the moment in the future ?

That view of this line never crossed my mind. Ultimately you have no control over other people. they either choose to change or they dont. Everyone makes that desicion for themselves. So you can really only save someone if they have the potential to be saved. meaning they made the choice. Peace

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Re: Universal Truths Anyone? [Re: Veritas]
    #5574962 - 04/30/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
I guess I'm nasty then, 'cause I use it all the time. :grin:




I just LOVE you.................. :smile: Let your freak flag fly :heart:


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