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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: Droz]
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Droz said:
Man fuck the bible I'm jesus, i say we do what we want! Peace.


:thumbup:

Let yourself be the only law. There is no one else who should command you, whether it's a child-raping priest or an imaginary God.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: Ravus]
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...to eat flesh and fish, that is the law!!
..to walk on all 4 legs, that is the law!!


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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:strokebeard:

What exactly are you talking about? Bears, humans, birds and other organisms don't obey the second one, and the first one is contradicted by too many organisms to list, so how are they laws?


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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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That sounds like something from Planet of the Apes...


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: Droz]
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" Do what you will shall be the whole of the law"


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: Ravus]
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Ravus said:
:strokebeard:

What exactly are you talking about? Bears, humans, birds and other organisms don't obey the second one, and the first one is contradicted by too many organisms to list, so how are they laws?


that's from Island of dr Moreau

when the animals killed the doctor the decided that the law will be oposite of what used to be the law


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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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so did anyone check out the link i posted or?


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Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are -Kurt Cobain
       



     
Hotter than the left sink handle.

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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: Ravus]
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Not to mention us Nazi hunters.

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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Modern Nazis are idiots though. The real ones tried and failed. Those who still embrace fascist Germany are embracing ashes, for natural selection easily takes out those who are too greedy for their own survival.

Lighten up eh Markos? In your pictures you don't even look Jewish; you look more like a necromancer if you don't mind me saying. Do you actually have Semitic heritage?


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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: Ravus]
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Tell us more.

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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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:frown:

I get a feeling of apathy from you Markos, but all I want is your brain. :shrug: You have intelligence, but your self-convictions are so strong that you give the appearance of arrogance and looking down on the non-believers.


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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: Ravus]
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It is a common perception of INTPs by people who are not INTPs (according to the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator). It has nothing to do with religious beliefs per se, it has to do with a quality of Introverted Thinking. My Lady and I are both INTPs (1% of population according to Kiersey.com) and we are actually not arrogant, but Thinking which dominates one's inner world of ideas strikes others adversely because of a certitude of inner intellectual experience. In predominantly Extraverted, not to mention Extraverted, Sensing, Feeling America (vs. say, India) - it is decidedly not the type to have to 'make friends and influence people.' Nevertheless, our personality type is dominated by ideas, not objects in the outer world. It is never a matter of our 'beliefs' or ideas vs. another's - it is a matter of being dominated by ideas vs. objects and events.

Personally, the 'Idea of GOD' dominates my inner landscape, possibly because as Anselm put it, the idea exists by virtue of the Reality from which it derives. Since I've been 'graced' with religious experiences, my inner life - Introverted Thinking - has been 'imprinted' as it were. I will hold anyone's Idea of GOD in mind and explore it in all seriousness ("grok in fullness"). I may determine that someone else's experience is not my own, but I will equally acknowledge their experience of GOD and look for common ground. INTPs (like Jung himself) see things from detached logic and look for universals in experience. There is a 'Great Chain of Being' as Ken Wilber likes to point out, from the sub-atomic through the atomic, molecular, organic and all the way up to what is called GOD. I acknowledge this and see us all as closer to the metaphysical postulates about Transcendental Consciousness (i.e., GOD) than way below our own sentience in mere physical processes. That is all, over and out.

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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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An introverted intuitive thinking perceiver eh? I'd say I'm more of an introverted sensual thinking perceiver personally, but the sensual part I'm not sure on; do I primarily use the five senses or the unconscious? It's hard to know, as they are both so integral to normal logic and knowledge.

Reading your post, you almost have a sense of Taoism rather than Christianity; you say that we are all part of God, yet rarely do I see you attribute a human ego to him as is traditional with Christians. In reality, this seems to be a much more logical way to go about it, as the thought that God would be a human-like figure with a whip watching the entire universe is absurd and brought out of primitive arrogance. Yet Taoism may have some truths to it; I made a post thread about this before, that to get to Taoism from Nihilism you have only to make one leap of faith and say that all systems of reality are connected. If everything is connected and exists externally to you, then naturally you can follow it to the conclusion that there must be a unity from the connection, and come to the Tao. I've never made this leap of faith personally, as I follow Occam's razor and see no unity of reality outside of my subjective system of reality.


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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: Ravus]
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I might be in over my head here as far as understanding you.

As science points out, we see everything being made from the same essential ingredents on the atomic level. Doesn't this make plain the  connection of all things and hense the Unity of all things?

What am I missing here Ravus? What is the leap of faith that needs to be made? :confused:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is God confused? Does the Bible give mixed messages? [Re: Ravus]
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'Tao' [or Dao] is usually translated as 'Way.' The early Christians were not called Christians for almost 200 years and they referred to themselves (within Judaism) as followers of "The Way." When the words attributed to Jesus say "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life...," I personally believe that it's the SAME WAY. As BE HERE NOW taught me long ago.

The Divine "I AM" of Judaism and Christianity may be spoken of as the Divine Will of GOD, but as my Dad always said, "Where there's a Will, there's a Way." I was a Nihilist (and I wrote a paper to the effect which I wish I still had) before I ever took psychedelics. Since then, the Totality is not meaningless, nor essentially chaotic, but purposeful and 'symmetrical' so-to-speak. When I was a Nihilist, my life and the wider universe was a paper scattered with iron filings - random, chaotic. With psychedelics, a strong Magnet was applied to the 'Other Side' of the paper, the paper 'shaken,' and voila! - patterns, energy in lines of force, symmetry, beauty, Intelligent Design...in Everything!
And, the Realization of this meant that the 'Son of GOD' was born anew in me.

BTW, try this if you want: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jungtype.htm


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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