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this is not that old gag to get people's attention, I'd really like to discuss sexuality in human culture and society..

I am fascinated/suprized how much influence sex has on humans, even those who claim to be enlightened and detached

Whatever we do, no matter who we are, what deeds we have done, like walked in space or on the moon, we always come back home to our little life that has been arranged around sex

Some of us (most of us) arrange their life around a sexual relationship in the act of marriage, we build homes, go to work, so that we can nest and have sex
Others who live alone their entire lives, arrange theirselfs, their life, their property so that they can get more sex

Porn industry is one of the largers industires in the world,
and sexuality is spread everywhere, even in little things like design of a laptop (a design can feel sexy to people even though it has nothing to do with sex)

Why do we put number one priority to sex?

It has nothing to do with procreation, because we do it only once in a life time vs. an entire lifetime spend in being an attractive male/female

There is no better way to manipulate a person then through sex, because sexual urges manipulate almost all of us, some directly some in a sublte almost hidden way, no matter how in control and enlightened we claim to be

so what's up with that?


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Re: sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
It has nothing to do with procreation


:lol:


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Re: sex [Re: exclusive58]
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Why is that funny?

Why do millions of people every day wish to get sex, or why do they step in relationships? Because they wish children? No, becuase it feels good


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Re: sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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oldwood:
There is no better way to manipulate a person then through sex

incorrect, sleep deprivation, starvation and conditioned violence are much better tools of manipulation.

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Re: sex [Re: Doom]
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All these things are percieved as negative by most people, so the man will be aware that he is being manipulated, he will mind if you starve him

But with sex you get to manipulate a person AND be his best friend, and no hiding of your actions is necessary, becuase the man even alows that kind of manipulation to himself

what better way to manipulate man than to do it together with himself


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Re: sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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It has nothing to do with procreation

It has everything to do with procreation. Even if you arent looking to have a child.

The drive to reproduce is the sexual drive.

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Re: sex [Re: niteowl]
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Being a sexually powerful individual is the most sought after position in society. Because of this, most of the things we do in life, I believe, are geared towards gaining a mate/'s in the future. You can be a HS dropout, poor, fat, stupid, and lazy, but if you score hot chicks then you WILL be respected by the majority of society.


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Re: sex [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
It has nothing to do with procreation

It has everything to do with procreation. Even if you arent looking to have a child.

The drive to reproduce is the sexual drive.


I'm not talking about the drive itself, but the choice to follow it blindly, the choice is of hedonistic nature, and not because of procreation


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Re: sex [Re: looner2]
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I think its even more that people then respect themselfs because they judge themselfs by sexual power


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Re: sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Some of us (most of us) arrange their life around a sexual relationship in the act of marriage, we build homes, go to work, so that we can nest and have sex
Others who live alone their entire lives, arrange theirselfs, their life, their property so that they can get more sex



:thumbup: :rotfl:

I appeciaye your honesty!

Its interesting that this is so well sugar coated by society.

It would be considered terrible to speak of, that everything revolves around sex.  But yet it is so blatently true!

Women are the biggest deniers but yet also the most obviously out for sexual attraction hence their makeup etc.

Now I think about it most of their hobbies come from the desire to attract a partner!  Make up, dancing, shopping (for clothes). :tongue:

The female role in society as well seems predominantly sexually orientated unlike men who predominantly build/create & invent.  (Not being sexist - just an observation).

Scary stuff!


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Re: sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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You said

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Why do we put number one priority to sex?

It has nothing to do with procreation, because we do it only once in a life time vs. an entire lifetime spend in being an attractive male/female


The number one priority in our life is the desire to reproduce/procreate. We put sex above every other thing in our life, because it is the driving force for the continuation of our species.

We are genetically coded to want sex.

You cant disregard the procreation factor when your talking about sex.

Even sex for pleasure.


We have the ability to have sex and not have children. So you can say that we are not having sex for procreation's sake, but if sex weren't so fun we wouldn't want to do it all the time.

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Re: sex [Re: niteowl]
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Purpuse of sex is procreation, but we use sex for something other than that..

We don't want children always, that's why we use contraception
but we still chose to go to bed (or table...or floor) with someone
because we want to feel good

but sex is no different from food, yet we don't always let food take control of us, we don't live to eat, we eat to live, but it seems that it is different with sex, we live to have sex, instead of have sex to live

Sex is not always fun, there are a lot of jelous and unhappy people that are prone to violence because of that.
In hedonistic philosophy, obsession with sex does have some sense if you always get it, but I don't understand why those who are angry because of lack of sex still chose to be led by sex in their life

If it hurts you, let it go


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Re: sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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and why do you think sex feels so good? do you think it would be the same thing if sex had absolutely no evolutionary purpose?

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Re: sex [Re: exclusive58]
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it would not, it feels good to trick you into making children, but I don't get what you are trying to say


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Re: sex [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
You said

Quote:
Why do we put number one priority to sex?

It has nothing to do with procreation, because we do it only once in a life time vs. an entire lifetime spend in being an attractive male/female


The number one priority in our life is the desire to reproduce/procreate. We put sex above every other thing in our life, because it is the driving force for the continuation of our species.

We are genetically coded to want sex.

You cant disregard the procreation factor when your talking about sex.

Even sex for pleasure.


What about gay people?  Gay people often have tons of sex.  We get blowjobs in the park every day.  We have institutions designed to encourage anonymous, 1 time encounters, like glory holes.  Hell, some of our clubs have mazes in them where there are two levels and if you want to suck cock you walk on one level, and if you want to get sucked, you walk on another, and you wander around having oral sex with everyone till you can find your way out.  (Who would want to, :lol:).  Our clubs have slings where you can hop in and have a string of guys fuck you, one or 2 at a time, until the club closes.  More then 50% of gay men choose open relationships, where sex outside the bounds of the relationship is encouraged.  I know lots of gay people where when the guy comes home and tells his partner he just got sucked by 3 different guys, the partner is like "hot, lets do it some more." 

I don't think these guys are motivated by a desire to procreate.  Procreation doesn't explain a large part of sexual behavior.


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Re: sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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personally I don't give a rats ass about sex if it isn't in combination with true love. You can disbelieve me if you want, but I can tell you MANY stories of past instances in which I have turned down sex because the love wasn't there...

a lot of people mistake sex for love, and I think that's a big problem in western society. It is much like mistaking material wealth for the real prosperity of spiritual wealth.

so in answer to your question, I would say that the reason humans care about sex so much is because they are robotic morons that lack the ability to rise above the mechanisms of their biology and realize that there is more to life than what is immeadiately obvious.

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Re: sex [Re: DoctorJ]
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I think that the people who turn down sex when there isn't love are the ones with the problem seperating sex from love. They confuse love for sex. It's the same mistake going the opposite direction. Why can't you just be honest with your partner that sex /= love?

You know, love and sex are both great things. Even though they are better together, they are pretty good by themselves. Excepting some judeo-christo bullshit about sex being bad, I don't see much difference between turning down sex without love and turning down love without sex. It would be pretty foolish to turn down someones love because there is no sex there. Likewise, I think it's foolish to turn down sex just because there is no love there.


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Edited by tomk (05/09/05 05:39 PM)

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Re: sex [Re: DoctorJ]
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I do believe you, I too have rejected females who wanted just sex in the past, but still even you can get deeply affected by sex, like you said, if it in combination with love.

What I'm wondering is, why isn't sex as casual fun as eating candy is? Why do we get affected by it so deeply? Why do we get angry, sad, happy, feeling powerfull, be violent etc. when it comes to sex?
Nobody gets angry and fight over a piece of chocolate, yet the pleasure can be almost of the same intensity in some cases: (if you compare a REALLY god chocolate and a really lousy male orgasm)


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Edited by OldWoodSpecter (05/09/05 05:37 PM)

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Re: sex [Re: tomk]
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he deidn't say sex is love, he said sex in combination with love..
are you saying sex never comes in combination with love?


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Re: sex [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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The stuff you are talking about oldwoodspecter, has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with the taboos surrounding it. In cultures where there are lower taboos on sex, it's not a means to be powerful or manipulative.


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