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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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sex and procreation
    #4322266 - 06/21/05 09:38 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Sex has been compleatly detached from the idea of procreation in the collective mind of modern society.

It is difficult to count how many times does a western person have sex in his life, yet he only uses it 1-2 times in his life for actual procreation.

But now that I think about it, it is so wierd when you remember that porn industry has something to do with a mechanism that has the purpuse of making children. It's like sex has nothing to go with procreation in our minds anymore. One day we think about it, and remember what it is for and say: "oh, yea, I forgot all about that.."

It's like so getting caught up in the pleasure of driving a car that you forget where you are going.

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Re: sex and procreation [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4322504 - 06/21/05 11:17 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

As long as we pass on our genetic material, it doesn't matter what sex is used for.

Some theorize that ancient man didn't realize the connection between sex and procreation, that the pregnancy and birth of a child was often given to other powers. Yet why does it matter? Does it matter if an animal just does sex for pleasure without realizing it'll lead to offspring?

The vast majority of lifeforms are just driving that car without knowing where they're going. :wink:


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4322972 - 06/22/05 01:28 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

i rarely think about sex as bringing another life out of the void
but that's what it's about and i never think about it  :thumbup:


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4323013 - 06/22/05 01:38 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

"i rarely think about sex as bringing another life out of the void"

That sounds more like summoning minions than having children.


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4323486 - 06/22/05 03:00 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Great polarity ! Bears big power !

Sex and magick :smile:


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: Ravus]
    #4323749 - 06/22/05 06:20 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

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Ravus said:
As long as we pass on our genetic material, it doesn't matter what sex is used for.





Im sure that many rape victims would disagree.


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4324118 - 06/22/05 11:22 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

We aren't the only species who use sex for purposes other than procreation.

Bonobos come to mind. They have sex VERY often. The females of the species will even pleasure eachother as a form of social interaction, or to calm down a female who is upset.


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: trendal]
    #4324219 - 06/22/05 12:17 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Imagine if that were the case with human females... wow, there would be a lot of hot lesbo action goin' around.  :crazy2:


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
    #4324286 - 06/22/05 12:30 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

I'm sure we'd have a LOT less stressed-out women walking around!

And, as a result, a lot less stressed-out men :wink:


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: trendal]
    #4324628 - 06/22/05 01:55 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

If sex were just for procreation, I doubt it would feel as good as it does.


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: Lizard_King]
    #4324665 - 06/22/05 02:08 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

No, quite the opposite. If sex wasn't for procreation, it wouldn't feel as good as it does.

Procreation is the most important act in the life of most organisms. However animals and lower forms of life do not "know" that they need to procreate (with them not being conscious) so there MUST be some "reward" hard-wired into their systems to make them want to procreate.

Thus sex feels good. The better it feels, the more an animal will want to do it.


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: Sinbad]
    #4324673 - 06/22/05 02:12 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Quote:

Sinbad said:
Quote:

Ravus said:
As long as we pass on our genetic material, it doesn't matter what sex is used for.





Im sure that many rape victims would disagree.




Rape victim or not, they are still procreating and following the laws of natural selection. If the man who raped the woman gets her pregnant and she has a kid, she has successfully passed on his genetics, hence the ends justify the means in nature.


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: Ravus]
    #4324863 - 06/22/05 03:18 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

It justifies to him, but not to her.


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4324932 - 06/22/05 03:35 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

He said this in regards to nature. Not him or her. :mushroom2:


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: Icelander]
    #4325064 - 06/22/05 04:02 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

since when does nature ask justification? Does nature think and have guilt?


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4325073 - 06/22/05 04:05 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

I think that is Ravus's point. Nature just wants more babies and doesn't care how.


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: Icelander]
    #4325089 - 06/22/05 04:08 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Nature doesn't "want" because nature is an abstract word


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4325105 - 06/22/05 04:12 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

You're arguing semantics. You know what is being said here, right?


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4325111 - 06/22/05 04:14 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

By the reproduction of nature, I'm talking about the human species. As long as more humans are created, in terms of our survival it doesn't matter how those babies are conceived, as long as they are.

Indeed, my entire point is that nature doesn't ask for justification. The rapist doesn't have to justify himself, because if he's passing on his genetic code he's contributing to the number of humans and hence the survival of the species. However, he may still have to justify himself to the courts...

Nature is abstract, but survival is not.


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Re: sex and procreation [Re: Ravus]
    #4325137 - 06/22/05 04:19 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

survival is not abstract, yes , but it also does not exist without a carrier, it is the carrier (human) who sets survival as his primary priority. Suicidal people put confort (lack of disconfort) as a higher priority to survival.


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