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Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay?
    #3554363 - 12/28/04 10:14 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

It seems that every parent raises their child with the hope of them turning out straight and raising a child of their own. Is it morally justified for gays to raise their child to be gay as well?


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3554366 - 12/28/04 10:16 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

is this a political question or a spiritual question?

i aint touching this with a 20 foot pole either way....


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3554387 - 12/28/04 10:24 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

It seems that every parent raises their child with the hope of them turning out straight and raising a child of their own.

What about gay couples that adopt children. In that situation I would think often the gay parents would try raising a child teaching him/her they have a choice.

I don't think a parent should try to push their child toward any sexual preference. Instead they should allow the child to develop as he/she chooses.


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3554483 - 12/28/04 10:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

In the interest of propagating the species, I think all children should be raised straight. If they then, at an age when they can UNDERSTAND the choice, choose to be gay...then it is their prerogative to do so.


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3554495 - 12/28/04 10:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

you cant raise someone to be gay or straight....i do not understand the gay thing, but i know the world has lots of kids that need a loving family straight or gay.


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: trendal]
    #3554498 - 12/28/04 10:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

How do gays explain their sexual preference as it relates to evolution or Christianity/the bible?


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3554509 - 12/28/04 10:55 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I would say that you can raise a child to be nearly anything you want. Some children have been raised by animals and, when found, ACT LIKE ANIMALS. Run around on four legs barking like dogs and such.

So much of what we become in adults is based ENTIRELY on what we are exposed to as children...it's actually kind of frightening. Society is a thin veneer.


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: cb9fl]
    #3554522 - 12/28/04 10:57 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

If I were to give a box full GI Jo's and a box full of Barbies to the average parent, do you think that parent would open up both boxes and let their child identify with the gender he or she chooses? It's unlikely to happen.

Examine any parent-child relation ship and you will see the caregivers idiologies manifest in the child. Being straight of gay is a rather weighted position and is a huge factor in determining which path you take in life.

>kadakuda: is this a political question or a spiritual question?
-I was somewhat confused myself, but pinksharkmark moved it from the political forum.


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: cb9fl]
    #3554523 - 12/28/04 10:57 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

How do gays explain their sexual preference as it relates to evolution or Christianity/the bible?

The Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality: it is "evil".

I don't agree with that :smirk:

As far as evolution goes...there has been some evidence that homosexuality may be, at least in part, a genetic phenomena. I don't want to touch this one with a ten foot pole, though. There's too much room for the "genetically inferior" argument to come into play, which I don't agree with.


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3554526 - 12/28/04 10:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with kadakuda and Trendal 

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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: Frog]
    #3554546 - 12/28/04 11:04 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Do you (this is for anyone) believe some people are born gay? Do you believe that no matter how they were conditioned as a child they would retain gay inclinations and likely act on them later in life?

Anyone know how many animals display homosexual tendencies in a percentage equal to that in humans?


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: cb9fl]
    #3554568 - 12/28/04 11:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

That's a tough question (about being born gay).

If it turns out to be caused by genetics, then yes, gay people are born gay (or at the very least, born predisposed to being gay). If it isn't genetic, or isn't entirely genetic (which I think) then no.


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3554589 - 12/28/04 11:13 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

You need to raise your children to have them make intelligent decisions and be confident in themselves. You cannot turn them gay if they are not without them realizing it sooner or later, or vice versa, but you can help raise them to realize who they are.

But since the majority of kids will be straight, you should raise them expecting them to be straight, though not pressuring them or such, and then if they do realize they're gay be understanding about it. It'd be immoral to pressure them to be gay or straight, but since they probably are straight it'd make more since to raise them under the assumption that they're straight until situations change.

I mean, can you imagine a dad who, instead of saying some chick on a commercial has a nice ass to his son, say that he'd fuck the Calvin Klein guy models right in the ass? I can, and it would be extremely humorous, though traumatizing


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: Ravus]
    #3554602 - 12/28/04 11:14 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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You need to raise your children to have them make intelligent decisions and be confident in themselves. You cannot turn them gay if they are not without them realizing it sooner or later, or vice versa, but you can help raise them to realize who they are.




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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: trendal]
    #3554612 - 12/28/04 11:17 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i agree, but i was thinking of all the parents who raise straight kids who end up gay.


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3554628 - 12/28/04 11:20 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Well I would take that either as an indication that there IS at least some genetic predisposition towards homosexuality...or as prime evidence that some parents just don't teach their kids what they THINK they're teaching them :wink:


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: trendal]
    #3554659 - 12/28/04 11:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I found http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/homosexuality/animal-homosexuality/ to be very interesting...

It raises the age old question, are animals really gay, or do they just have a Freudian complex?


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: Ravus]
    #3554720 - 12/28/04 11:37 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"How do gays explain their sexual preference as it relates to evolution or Christianity/the bible?"

I'm gay.

I don't explain my sexuality (not a preference any more then handidness is a preference) in regard to christianity. Christianity is an outdated quaint moral code used to perpetuate injustice, and I don't have to explain any aspect of myself in regard to it.

In regard to evolution, it's simple.

In an overpopulated environment, some genes are better reproduced by aiding their families reproduction without themselves reproducing. 2 islands with 10 people and enough resources for 14.

The first island as 2 gays, so 4 reproducing couples, each of whom can produce a sustainable child.

The second island has no gays. 5 reproducing couples, none of which can produce a sustainable child.

Also, I've fucked a lot of gay guys who had kids.


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: tomk]
    #3554829 - 12/28/04 11:56 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Well, then.  That settles that, I think.  :grin:


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Re: Moral Question: Ok to raise your children gay? [Re: Frog]
    #3554894 - 12/29/04 12:07 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't care how someone raises thier children just so long as they don't try to raise my children gay when they come over to play with said parents gay kids. Now, if my kids grew up to be gay, that's fine by me. I just personally wouldn't want to force either preference on them. They'll find out the nature of thier own sexuality on thier own without parental influence.



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