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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: ]
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I love chick flicks.

Huh huh....huh ha ha ha.  :smile:

I love chick flicks.

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I love chick flicks.

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I love chick flicks.

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I love chick flicks.

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I love chick flicks.

Huh huh....huh ha ha ha.  :tongue:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Murex]
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:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

You're a nut!

Cheers,

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: ]
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no sssssshhhhh he's talking to himself leave him alone

but i don't want to.

well you really should.

why what for?

because he's talking to himself! that's fuckin crazy dude

pfff crazy hazy

exactly. its crazy

hmm.. yeah. yeah i guess it is. ok lets shut up

k ssshhhhh

starting now

sssshhhh!!!!!!!!


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Insert an "I think" mentally in front of eveything I say that seems sketchy, because I certainly don't KNOW much. Also; feel free to yell at me.
In addition: SHPONGLE

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Swami]
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In human BEINGS, Swami, the "reproductive instincts" do not remain alone on an elemental animal level. They, like other motivations, symbolized on the chakra ladder of consciousness, are vehicles that manifest other levels of being. The Kabbalaistic sephiroth illustrates this in terms of the various 'emanations' of God, of which our being is comprised.

One may insist on acting as a mammal - a human animal - but it is against the spiritual nature of being human that one is insisting upon. As the prophet Nathan taught King David long ago, he sinned greatly by allowing his lust to overcome his compassion and kingly detachment, which led to his sending Bathsheba's husband, Uriah, to the front lines to be killed, so that he could have the man's wife. Nathan tells David a midrash about how a poor man with only one lamb has it taken by a powerful, wealthy man with everything at his command. David becomes furious and demands that Nathan bring the man to him for justice. Nathan says, "You are that man!," and David up and realizes the gravity of his sins, and is convicted by his own conscience.

Compassion, Swami. The violation of Compassion rather than the governing of one's desire by Compassion is sin. It increases the existential suffering, depite the temporary pleasure-rush. The damage to one's humanity outweighs the rush, for the spiritually aware individual. Sacrifice for Compassion is ego-death; it is truth-in-action, not armchair philosophy. It is not mere Utlilitarianism for me, but an act of faith to defy temptation. Of course, that's just me.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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but an act of faith to defy temptation

All that you say is fine. But to defy temptation, the impure thought must first be there. For example, a gay man has NO temptation towards another's wife because it is not in his nature.

So we are back to my original question, once you have already had the impure thought, then according to Jesus you have sinned just as if you had physically done the act. If there is no difference between thought and act, then what is the added harm in doing the act? Please explain this paradox.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I think you missed Swami's point.  While I don't disagree at all with what you said, I don?t think your esoteric interpretation of Kabbalism is what Jesus preached.  I think Swami was simply pointing out the fact that if you literally wanted to follow the teachings of Jesus, then once you?ve had the THOUGHT of lust, then you?re equally screwed in the eyes of Jesus as if you follow through with the thought, so at that point, you might as well go through with the act!

Edit:  Hey Swami!  I just noticed you got an answer out before me.  I think we basically said the same thing though.  Interesting topic for discussion!  :laugh:


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:smile:  Just stating my thoughts, not trying to offend  :smile:

Edited by GoBlue! (12/17/02 05:18 AM)

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: GoBlue!]
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Zakkly Blue. :smile:

For the record, this is a mere hypothetical. I do not fool around with married women, not do I advocate it. 


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Swami]
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You know Swami, you really shouldn't pick on Christianity. It's just way too easy to do. I know you've already seen this post before, but I'll repost it here for the benefit of those who haven't seen it yet:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum11&Number=1027545&Forum=All_Forums&Words=schlessinger&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=2500&Old=allposts&Main=1011101&Search=true#Post1027545

This letter was sent to Dr. Laura Schlessinger. Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a us radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. eecently she said that homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstances. the following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative.

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord -- Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness -- Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination -- Lev. 11:10-- it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? -- Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.


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:smile:  Just stating my thoughts, not trying to offend  :smile:

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: GoBlue!]
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LMFAO!!! :laugh: :cool: :smile: :wink: :grin:

I'm printing this one out.


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Without everything wouldn't nothing be everything and without nothing wouldn't everything be nothing.I am the beginning and the end,the source and the void, the light and the darkness,i am but a small drop of the ocean yet i am an ocean unto myself

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: 3eyedgod]
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I actually didn't believe it when I first read it, so I did an internet search of the references that are given.  Sure enough, EVERY ONE of those items are TRUE!  :laugh: 


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:smile:  Just stating my thoughts, not trying to offend  :smile:

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: GoBlue!]
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I never suggested that Jesus taught Kabbalism that came a thousand years later. I suggested that as human beings, our motives are multi-levelled with a Divine Source.

Whether Jesus ever actually said those words is questionable, perhaps they are intended to place the locus of control within the Will, not just the outer behavior. It is ridiculous to think that one would be OK to go ahead and violate OT law.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: GoBlue!]
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Did Dr. Laura respond?

If so, what was the response?


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I never suggested that Jesus taught Kabbalism that came a thousand years later

Right, but I think you did imply that Kabbalism is the standard we should live by as opposed to Jesus' literal teachings.


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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Murex]
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Did Dr. Laura respond?

No.  :grin: 


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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: i am e goldstein]
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i also believe he didn't say half the things he's credited with or was taken out of context. the 17 somewhat years spent in area's of asia as a carpenter (or whatever else he did)prepared him to battle wits in a cerebral way. over time, the church screwed up everything jesus might have been able to represent. i believe he spoke about our world in metaphysical terms that confused people

I like that.  :grin:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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It is ridiculous to think that one would be OK to go ahead and violate OT law.

Is it then ridiculous to discard all of the words of Jesus? Should we toss out the Bible as a source of spiritual wisdom as we cannot be sure which lines were actually said or even which ones were merely parable and which ones were inviolate spiritual law?

Should we all become Swamis and try to find our own way without a historical compass to guide us?



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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Swami]
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Well... i think by thinking about it, you've created a problem within yourself. A desire, a lust, an ego-driven distraction. It's an obstacle for you, but sure, it doesn't really hurt anyone. Going out an doing it though, that's a little different...

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Swami]
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No. One doesn't discard the scriptures because they are not historically accurate. The historicity itself does not possess the truth of the words. The Jewish 'midrash,' or story-telling technique, was intended to convey a spiritual truth, not to report historical facts with scientific or responsible journalistic credibility. I mean, there was no reporter outside a manger at Bethlehem, or Nazareth (there are contradictory accounts), taking notes on Persion magi (magicians) visiting the unwed Miriam, and Yosef and baby Y'shua. The mind set of 1st or 2nd century writers in the middle east was quite unlike the mindset we are accustomed to having, growing up in a quantifiable world.

Many of the OT laws, and 613 commandments, were based on a theocratic government, and absurdly harsh in their attempt to separate from the heathen nations. Embedded within much of this violence, nevertheless, are enlightened ethics and morals. Part of the absurdity was to enforce the practice of otherwise compassionate morals, with threats of punishment and even death. The Law was a [primitive] "chastening" according to Paul, but through the introduction of Christ (not necessarily to be interpreted as a man, but as Paul's Damascus Road experience of Light, brighter than the sun, Who spoke to him) in the human experience, that allows humans to transcend the Law. One can be motivated from within, through Christ, which can indwell the core of the human psyche, and govern all of one's life by Compassion.

The Logos, or trans-historical Christ, however, is connected to the historical person of Jesus, even though we, like Paul himself, do not know the 'Man.' We can know His Presence, His Living Present Reality which transcends space-time, so the historical nature of Jesus is important to recognize as it determines the possibility of the Divine interpenetrating the human realm. Experientially, Christ is known in a trans-empiracle way. The faculty of faith opens the door to the experience. Faith requires a laying down [sacrifice] of one's intellect [sacrificium intellectus] which for many of us constitutes ego-death, inasmuch as we are identified with our intellects and rational minds. It is, however, worth the sacrifice, because we get it back - and then some - along with even more valuable attributes of awareness.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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One doesn't discard the scriptures because they are not historically accurate.

But if we don't take them literally "because they are not historically accurate", then we are forced to make up our own interpretations about the way things REALLY are.  And if we're making up our own shit, then who cares what Jesus had to say???  It's irrelevant because it's inaccurate!  :tongue:   


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