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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1151162 - 12/18/02 07:34 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

And if we're making up our own shit, then who cares what Jesus had to say???

Hence the thousand flavors of Christianity, each proclaiming in a loud voice that their interpretation is the correct one and that the others are, at the very least mistaken and at most, evil!


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The proof is in the pudding.

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OfflineGoBlue!
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Swami]
    #1151175 - 12/18/02 07:40 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Haha!  You have a way with words Swami!  :laugh: 


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1151189 - 12/18/02 07:44 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

*bows humbly*

Get in on the ground floor. You can be one one of my primary priests when I open the doors to the Swami Holy Insight Temple. Please P.M. me for details on where to send your generous donation.


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OfflineMarkostheGnostic
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1151659 - 12/18/02 10:19 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Jesus is not merely a teacher for Christians, and Christ is still accessable, via the Holy Spirit (which is another 'activity' of God). So one does not have to rely on one's own understanding exclusively, but by grace - the action of the Holy Spirit on our consciousness - our understanding becomes Illuminated or Enlightened. Of course, people will bicker when it comes to making their opinions into doctrine, but personal revelations are not turned into outer politics. Those who go to war over religious doctrine seem to be self-interested people with strictly political-power agendas.

I, for one, am not a preacher because only fixed doctrine can be preached, not the Present Experience of the Living Christ. To be aware of this requires focus, and is a lot like a peak of a trip where it's all happening so fast you can't put anything into words so you don't try to speak. Or again, it's like my kaleidoscope screen saver. A really pretty pattern wells up and you just want to freeze-frame it, or say 'Hey! did you see that?,' and the response is "See what?," 'and of course it is impossible to describe what you just saw for a few seconds, and it's gone forever. Of course, the basic kaleidoscope is still there, and there is a 'Center' and a periphery, and a movement from inner to outer; so there is novelty but there is also ever-changing uniqueness. So, all I can do in life is name Jesus, and in so doing, simply refer to the personality that is described in Scriptures, and decide that Jesus is THE WAY to be in life, and work hard at cultivating that personality in me like a mustard tree that grows from the tiny seed of His Name.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Swami]
    #1152039 - 12/18/02 12:27 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Get in on the ground floor. You can be one one of my primary priests when I open the doors to the Swami Holy Insight Temple. Please P.M. me for details on where to send your generous donation.

How much would I have to donate before I can enter the magnificent S.H.I.T.?


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1152206 - 12/18/02 01:32 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

He he! Only $20,000 to be part of the inner circle which is an inexpensive investment for the potential return. Would you like a Prospectus?


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Swami]
    #1152817 - 12/18/02 05:53 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Twenty grand is too steep for me. :shocked:

I'm forming my own damn house of spirituality.  Yeah!
I'll call it Sclorch's Hegemonic Intuition Tower and it will be waaaaay taller than your shitty temple. Hahahahahahahahahaha[/evil laugh] 


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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1152845 - 12/18/02 06:05 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Naw man, join mine- the Spiritual Hallucinegenic Injesting Transmorpheous. Only $19.95 to join and $19.95 a month!

Act now and recieve your very own Tome of Truth!  :laugh:

Send check or money order to:

P.O. Box 11478
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BELIEVE OR DIE!!!  :mad:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


Edited by Murex (12/18/02 06:09 PM)

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Anonymous

Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Murex]
    #1152912 - 12/18/02 06:30 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Do you accept PayPal?

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OfflineMurex
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: ]
    #1152972 - 12/18/02 06:53 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

No.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Invisibleraytrace
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Murex]
    #1153264 - 12/18/02 10:18 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

you can all join my shit(no dots) for free

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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: raytrace]
    #1153270 - 12/18/02 10:30 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

WARNING: TOTAL TANGENT

When I served in the USN as a radar tech, we referred to the main transmitting element, the travelling wave amplifier tube as a T.W.A.T. Later we were ordered to call it simply a TWT (Tee Double U Tee) to be more politically correct. True story.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Offlinegnrm23
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: ]
    #1153346 - 12/19/02 12:09 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

welllll, the gnostic redeemer ministries (gn.r.m.), ( the outreach/evangelism arm of the gnostic redeemer zen lutheran church n.a.) will not be more than a pipe dream until after june '04...
but really, dontcha think this talk of forming your own misguided cult should be the topic for another thread?
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1153444 - 12/19/02 01:49 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"Present Experience of the Living Christ"

How can you be certain that such an experience is not a mere fabrication of your subconcious? Many others have spiritual experiences which contradict your beliefs, and they claim that they are just as, if not more powerful than yours.

Mustard tree?


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"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Swami]
    #1153491 - 12/19/02 02:23 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

So you're in the HAARP project too, i knew it !

"MAIA Ordinary Religion Of Nothing is avaiable for free. "I don't give a fuck" is our word of command. Press blue button for next religion"

MAIA


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Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Offlinegnrm23
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Swami]
    #1153759 - 12/19/02 04:22 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

now, as to the original post topic...
"as a man thinketh..."
well... my friend jeff (only kid in his h.s. to wear a yarmulke... heh, the principal told him to take off the beanie hat & he refused...) was reflecting on the christian premise that the thought is equal to the deed... said that jewish commentators stated that a man can not be held responsible for thoughts... after all, they just pop up, right?
now my dad said something about the difference between a passing thought ("ooohwhee, what a cutie" or whatever...) and letting the thought go, vs. spending the next however long thinking about what you'd like to do with her, peeling off her clothes with your eyes, and just generally cultivating the thought for as long as it keeps you up (so to speak)...
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maybe a little buddhist "non-attachement" might be indicated here... the thought arises, the thought passes... the wheel turns...
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Edited by gnrm23 (12/19/02 06:03 AM)

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Phluck]
    #1153863 - 12/19/02 04:54 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

That is a very good question.

I, for one, could never have faith in something I have no evidence for.

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OfflineMarkostheGnostic
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: Phluck]
    #1154799 - 12/19/02 09:35 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I think that you have created a 'mental knot' here by equating "spiritual experiences" with "beliefs." Spiritual experiences, like any other type of experiences are pure datum - pure perception - either sensory or intuitive in nature. Experiences cannot be contradicted, they just are. Experience is what fills one's awareness.

Beliefs, on the other hand can be contradicted. It may actually be only apparent contradictions based on formulation. Hindus say that a 'self' reincarnates. Buddhists say there is no self that reincarnates, rather, rebirth occurs when enough dissolved elements (samskaras) constellate and form another human entity. Sometimes there is a memory trace left, and lo - a tulku is
born. Both agree on a cessation of the process, and that Nirvana or Mahasamadhi is an eternal condition.

I have been blessed with a number of experiences that may correspond to those spoken of in Christian, Jewish, Hindu and Buddhist religions. The doctrines helped create the experiences and the experiences were best described by specific religious doctrines. I am a Jewish Christian at bottom, and it is the empirical results of my prayer life, time and time again, that supports my continued faith in God. Not only specific results to petitionary prayers, but interior changes to my personality that have effects on other people, wild animals and perhaps other aspects of the world.

I am not in competition with others, nor am I interested in power. I prefer to 'move' people in their interiors, not move, control, manipulate people in the outer world. My Master is Christ, and I aspire to become 'transfused' by His blood, which is a colorful way of saying that I want His Spirit to run through me as well. This, 'for the sake of all sentient beings,' as the Buddhist Bodhisattvas put it, as well as for my own salvation and transcendence. As Paul put it, "He [Christ] must increase, I must decrease." Lots of people here talk about ego-death, but they don't much talk about what is to take the place of one's dead ego. Well, this is the Christian formula.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1155674 - 12/19/02 03:44 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I think I misjudged you before Markos. I kinda get what your saying here.

I don't choose to recognize the man or spirit "christ" as what takes the place of the ego after ego death. But to each his own

Maybe it's just a case of a Rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

I remember another thread where you said you didn't trust me "in word or deed" because I have "no morals" based in a spiritual nature.

Here is a better explanation the statement I made in that post. I beleive that we are all one and that we love each other/ourselves. However conflict is required for growth and learning. That is why hate will always be just as much a part of "physical reality" as love is. Why would the source (god, the universe, whatever) punish someone (his/her/whatever self). This life is just the process of the universe ( source, god) learning and growing. That is why I think regardless of what we do here, we (not necissarily our egos, but are essence/s) will all eventually come back together in the same place in the end (the end of this learning reality/ birth of the next learning reality). This is a continual cycle but throught it we are all one.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Question on one of J.C.'s teachings... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1155710 - 12/19/02 04:00 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

and it is the empirical results of my prayer life, time and time again, that supports my continued faith in God.

I have never seen empirical results from petitioning prayer, even by people of apparently strong faith.

As I have stated before, here is what usually happens if the petitioner:

A. Gets what he wants. "Thanks be to God for answering my prayer."

B. Doesn't get what he wants. "My faith wasn't strong enough." or "God has other plans for me."

I would seriously like you to, as best you can, lay out a specific methodology and conditions for effective prayer, and an experiemnt that we can all participate in here on the shroomery.


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