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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I think the Universe is brimming with intelligent life....the odds are in favor of it.


Don't be so sure. The only thing close to giving the odds of this are the Drake equation. and the value of one very important variable has yet to be determined.
Which is why I too do not believe that we have or ever will be visited by extra-terrestrials.


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: nunciate]
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I have previously listed before another half-dozen equations that should have been, but weren't in the Drake equation. (Hey - sounds like a new thread is in order!)

Remember though, that the Drake equation is about the possiblity of COMMUNICATING with other life; not just merely existing.


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Remember though, that the Drake equation is about the possiblity of COMMUNICATING with other life; not just merely existing.


you are correct. I used that out of context, sorry. still, we have yet to even communicate with any.
let alone get a 'visit'.


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: nunciate]
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Sorry for one more correction to you enunciate. YOU and many others have yet to communicate with them or get a visit. Unless 'we" just meant you and swami and not human kind as a whole.

Millions beleive they already have comunicated with them or have been visited in one form or another.

That topic is to broad to speak for the whole planet on it.

BTW, I like your sig!


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Millions beleive they already have comunicated with them or have been visited in one form or another.



I understand this. but those that believe they have can't *prove* they have. I like things that can be proven. and I am speaking of physical contact, i.e. they've been here.
but, 'in one form or another', that, i cannot argue with.


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: nunciate]
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There are 1,000s who claim to have physical proof. I havn't put any of it under a microscope myself because I am not in a position, regarding location from them and their "proof" nor do i have the scientific equipment to run tests on the stuff. Do you think our governments or media would sponcer this stuff?

Knowing there are 1,000s out there who claim to have it, I still think its bold to say no one has made physical contact. Totally appropriate to say, you don't beleive anyone has because you personally have not been able to examine the evidense some claim to have for your own self or that sources you find credible have not backed these people up.

I know I am splitting hairs, LOL, perhaps you are an authority on the subject and worked for project blue book and in area 51 and I'm not aware of that. Government employees who have worked in both have come forward to say they have seen proof. I would like to see some of it myself! :tongue:

This subject could go round robin for years here though. I will get off the carousel now.


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Some of those that claimed implants (physical proof) have had X-rays and MRIs and nothing shows up. A few have had operations and nothing but human tissue has been found. Most convincing!


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
There are 1,000s who claim to have physical proof. I havn't put any of it under a microscope myself because I am not in a position, regarding location from them and their "proof" nor do i have the scientific equipment to run tests on the stuff. Do you think our governments or media would sponcer this stuff?


yes. I think NASA would make bank on this shit instead of flopping about like a fish out of water begging for money just to have something to do since the cold war ended.


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: nunciate]
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They have. The Discovery channel did a show on interstellar travel where NASA came straight out and said, "WE KNOW WE ARE BEING VISITED by intellegent life out there. It is now, no longer a question of if it's possible to us, but how?"


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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NASA never made such a claim. Hallucination or fabrication?


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
NASA never made such a claim.



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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Swami]
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"NASA never made such a claim."

I'll second that. If we were going to be contacted by alien life the chances that they would be humanoid, and were clothes, and fly in a human friendly designed spacecraft(they all look like the spaceship in the 1950s movie "Forbiden Planet...coincidence...no)is very remote. Alien life is likely to be very far from what we consider normal. If they were going to contact us the most likely course would be the "take me to your leader scenario" not impregnating women with alien babies, and performing anal probes on unsuspecting passerbys.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: KingOftheThing]
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you mean "i think aliens do not exist",right?to come to the conclusion of aliens existing,you had to think about them existing to make your claim.It's something you probably debate in your hear.I think you think aliens exist.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Why do you think the chances are so remote.

Life is quite uniformed all over our planet, more than that, it takes certain conditions to sustain life. So whats to say its not uniformed over the whole universe.


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: KingOftheThing]
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For those of you who think that they don't exist. Can you prove that they DON'T exist?

I think that the probability of ETs existing is far greater than the probability of ETs not existing.

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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Swami]
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I will see if the discovery channel has a web site and offers videos of their shows. It may even have been NOVA, it was aired in the last year and I will search around. It ran side by side with a show on black holes where science now thinks they have enough evidense to prove that black holes exist at the center of every galaxy. Discovery or Nova, the show gave names and did not black out the NASA personel that were speaking on the subject.

I also need to correct my plural use of the word governments in the above. I also rememer seeing a show on the topic of UFO's where the Russian governemt, after the collapse, released "secret documents" about their miltaries encounters with them. The military guys were interviewed to retell the stories and in some of the cases they had video tape evidence. This show was interesting because in most of the cases the crafts were hovering around nuclear weapons silos meesin up launch capabilities.

Anyway, I don't care if you beleive me about this and by all means , challenge and question it all you want too. I am simply sharing with you what I saw NASA and Russian Military personal say on documentaries. If there are fabrications or hallucinations being made, they are by NASA and the Russian Military-not me!

I have never had a physical encounter with ET's. To be honest with you, I don't wish for one either. I think I would be scared shitless. That doesn't mean I am going to stick my head in the sand on this one, there is just too much out there on it to ignore it.


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Re: i don't think aliens exist *DELETED* [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: dorkus]
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> I think that the probability of ETs existing is far greater than the probability of ETs not existing.

I would agree. Time and space are too large for us (life) to be a statistical error. Time and space being so mind boggling large make it highly unlikely that we will ever encounter any other life forms... This, of course, is assuming that alien life is like what we known and understand...


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Seuss]
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While life is likely elsewhere, without understanding the underlying mechanism, it is impossible to extrapolate from a sample size of one.


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Re: i don't think aliens exist [Re: Ego Death]
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Once you leave our ecosystem all bets are off. An alien ecosystem would have evolved alng different lines. Evolution on an alien world could lead to forms that we would not even recognize as life the way we understand it. Get creative, folks. Consider silicon based life forms, who breathe methane. How about intelligent beings that inhabit gas giants that are in the form of hydrogen balloons, or plasma based life forms that have evolved in the coronasphere of a distant star. The sky is the limit. Earth is a closed system. There is no reason to think it will repeat itself elsewhere.

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