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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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What that seems harsh. Love and tolerate all :hippie:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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that got deleted.
:lolsy:
With the deleted part aside. The sentiment was good.
I do agree with you. Your body, your choice, your rights. As long as you’re not breaking the law, nobody should be telling you what to do.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GenesisCorrupted said:
You realize that the trans people are the scapegoat that Republicans are using to get people whipped up like your brother is. Right?


No fucking SHIIIITTTEEE bru...

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You’re saying that it’s set the community back. Well maybe if Republicans would stop constantly harping on and on about it.


While I do think Republicans are insane, reactionary fucking psychos on this issue (And many others, because as I have said, conservatives thrive on fear), it doesn't help that liberals are doing utterly ridiculous shit, like putting newly "transitioned" men in women's sports, or performing gender reassignment surgeries/giving hormone blockers to children. Also, denying that gender dysphoria is a psychiatric condition, when it 100% is, is not productive.

At the end of the day, these things hurt your run-of-the mill homosexual, and they even hurt people with gender dysphoria.

My xgirlfriend was in prison with trans women who were on testosterone... who would beat the living shit out of normal women/get rapey with them.

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That and the “invasion at the border.”

Fake news to incite the masses.


Both sides use fake news to incite the masses.

Edited by Bigbadwooof (07/15/24 09:26 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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I don't give a fuck about the law.

It used to be legal to lobotomize people like me, to own slaves, to beat women.

Show me in the book where what I'm doing is illegal, and I'll rip the fuckin page out and wipe my ass with it.

I've seen the kind of people who write the laws, and I'm not inclined to play nice with them.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
I don't give a fuck about the law.

It used to be legal to lobotomize people like me, to own slaves, to beat women.

Show me in the book where what I'm doing is illegal, and I'll rip the fuckin page out and wipe my ass with it.

I've seen the kind of people who write the laws, and I'm not inclined to play nice with them.


:toast:

100%


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL] * 1
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The "run of the mill" homosexual and people with gender dysphoria, do not need some fucking Jit speaking for them.

Look at all the authority with which this fucking cis het proclaims what is and isn't good for a bunch of people he wants to pigeon hole and manipulate into fighting amongst themselves.

Trans people are not a novelty object for you to stoke a bunch of hysterical bullshit over. We are people who are unwilling to allow our lives and bodies and identities to be governed by your weak minded, self instant, tradition enabling bullshit.

Farting out a bunch of hot button fox news fucking retard garbage about "durpy durpy durrrr, what about dah childrenssss".

Trans children are real fuckin people. I'm trans. I used to be a child. I remember the agony that people like this Jit want to create. The agony they want every fucking thing to be.

Trans children will never be safe as long as monsters like this guy are sniffing around trying to "correct them" into cis normativety through constant abuse and rigid personal restrictions.

You talk about trans people like we are a danger, but you are obsessed with us and have horrible intentions for us and our community, and the more vulnerable a trans person is, the more horrible your shitty intentions get.


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Edited by Calm_A_Llama_Down (07/15/24 09:59 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Wow... that was one of the most word salad, psycho rambling posts I have read in a while.

You didn't really address anything I said, except to say that trans children should be allowed to undergo gender reassignment surgery.

In forming my opinion on this subject, I have listened to people from the trans community, and what they have to say about it. You may think it's ok for children to have their genitals mutilated, but a lot of trans people disagree, and I tend to side with them.

I am not against people transitioning, but I feel those decisions should be made by an adult person, not a child.

Anyway, the reason I say that allowing trans women to participate in female sports (Instead of having their own league, or something), is because it IS objectively damaging to their cause.

Trans issues are not the same as those of homosexuals. There is no issue with homosexuals participating in sports, for instance, and young homosexuals don't have the same medical complications. They are not the same thing. That's obvious.

Btw, I am not obsessed with you. It is probably my LEAST favorite thing to talk about, but these days... it's unavoidable.


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Every one of you should see this video.
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Edited by Bigbadwooof (07/15/24 09:58 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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I just mean you know, don’t go around killing people because that’s what you think is the right thing to do etc. As long as you’re not out there hurting people I don’t really care what you do.


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Edited by GenesisCorrupted (07/15/24 10:04 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GenesisCorrupted said:
I just mean you know, don’t go around killing people because that’s what you think is the right thing to do etc. As long as you’re not out there hurting people I don’t really care what you do.


I agree. Live and let live.

However, I think allowing children to undergo gender reassignment surgery can be very harmful.

I think we should protect children.


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Every one of you should see this video.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Bigbadwooof said:
...it doesn't help that liberals are doing utterly ridiculous shit, like putting newly "transitioned" men in women's sports, or performing gender reassignment surgeries/giving hormone blockers to children. Also, denying that gender dysphoria is a psychiatric condition, when it 100% is, is not productive.



:facepalm: God dammit dude, you're doing it again. Straight up parroting the right-wing line. :facepalm:
Also, the liberals are doing it? WTF does that even mean??? Who exactly are these liberals????

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch]
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Protect your own damn children.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Yeah because homosexuals playing in sports was never ever a hot button issue...

Oh wait it's been a huge fucking issue for gay people. Huge. That's the reality of that.

Gay people having fair access to medical care, or being put through compulsory changes to their body, or being treated a source of social disruption, or being unsafe in gendered rest rooms, changing rooms.

All of these are real issues that real gay people have really dealt with, and they're trans issues too. Because at the end of the day the issue is with YOU.

You are the one who has rigid definitions of who people are based on your interpretations of their biological, social and psychological realities, and you have a sense of entitlement that makes you feel like anyone who is different than you is a laughable novelty, subject to the whims of your conclusions.

I never said "trans children should have surgery", did I?

It's not my business to tell other people what surgeries to have. It would be intrusive and dehumanizing to do that wouldn't it?

I know that any discussion about the well-being of trans children, that involves trans negative people, is a discussion in bad faith.

Maybe trans children want to medically transition because they are trying to protect themselves for harm, invalidation, and discrimination, from people like you.

Maybe it's another case of your attitude is the actual fucking problem.

I don't blame any trans person, of any age, for anything they do, to survive living in a world around people like you.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch]
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Lynnch said:
Bigbadwooof said:
...it doesn't help that liberals are doing utterly ridiculous shit, like putting newly "transitioned" men in women's sports, or performing gender reassignment surgeries/giving hormone blockers to children. Also, denying that gender dysphoria is a psychiatric condition, when it 100% is, is not productive.



:facepalm: God dammit dude, you're doing it again. Straight up parroting the right-wing line. :facepalm:
Also, the liberals are doing it? WTF does that even mean??? Who exactly are these liberals????


I don't think medical conditions/treatments should be politicized, tbh. It's so fucking ridiculous, and damaging... but I guess that is where we are at.

It is the liberals who support trans women fighting natural women in mma sports...

Something that is just objectively wrong. I don't care whose talking point it is, if it makes sense, that is what I go with. I don't take marching orders from anyone.

If your views line up 100% with a party, then they aren't your views.


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
Yeah because homosexuals playing in sports was never ever a hot button issue...

Oh wait it's been a huge fucking issue for gay people. Huge. That's the reality of that.

Gay people having fair access to medical care, or being put through compulsory changes to their body, or being treated a source of social disruption, or being unsafe in gendered rest rooms, changing rooms.

All of these are real issues that real gay people have really dealt with, and they're trans issues too. Because at the end of the day the issue is with YOU.


Stop playing dumb. You know what the issue is with having people who have spent the majority of their lives as a man compete against women, right?

There's a reason trans women beat natural women at most sports, without even trying, and in blood sports, it can be really dangerous.

Nobody has a problem with a trans man competing against other men, btw.

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You are the one who has rigid definitions of who people are based on your interpretations of their biological, social and psychological realities, and you have a sense of entitlement that makes you feel like anyone who is different than you is a laughable novelty, subject to the whims of your conclusions.


This is all just more flaming nonsense. I have said absolutely nothing to give you that impression.

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I never said "trans children should have surgery", did I?

It's not my business to tell other people what surgeries to have. It would be intrusive and dehumanizing to do that wouldn't it?

I know that any discussion about the well-being of trans children, that involves trans negative people, is a discussion in bad faith.

Maybe trans children want to medically transition because they are trying to protect themselves for harm, invalidation, and discrimination, from people like you.

Maybe it's another case of your attitude is the actual fucking problem.

I don't blame any trans person, of any age, for anything they do, to survive living in a world around people like you.


I have not said anything to elicit this sort of mouth foamy response. I'm not anti-trans.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (07/15/24 10:34 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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There was a runner who was disqualified once (im sorry, I don't remember the details), because her testosterone was too high. Except, she wasn't doing anything illegal, it was her natural biology.. So should she be forced to race with men? Where exactly is the line, and how do you draw it?
If you allowed young trans people to begin transitioning with puberty blockers before they were adults, they wouldn't have the scary Maleness develop in them, which would make it a fair fight wouldn't it? 

Point is, I know you want to make an easy gut judgement, but it is not that simple.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch]
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Lynnch said:
Protect your own damn children.


My little brother was a foster child, when his mom died of a heroin overdose. Thank god someone stepped in to protect him, because his grandpa was a child molester, who has abused all of the children in their family.

Your attitude is fucking disgusting. It is a good thing that society tells children they can't drink or smoke until they are 21. It is a good thing that we don't allow 30 year olds to fuck 12 year olds.

Any decent person has a duty to protect children from harm.


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL]
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There are 2 trans women who have fought in the MMA.

Ever.

There are 1000 active MMA fighters, just right now.

So trans women in MMA, is a fabricated nothing issue, created to push buttons and make noise.

Trans women in sports in general is beyond negligible in terms of numbers.

I don't know the details. I actually fucking hate sports.

Here are some other numbers though.



See those numbers?

Those are not negligible.

Those are a real actual problem, that you actually help to create with your mouth, when you regurgitate news Max's script about trans women being a danger to cis women's sports, or whatever other idiotic manufactured sensationalized bullshit.


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Edited by Calm_A_Llama_Down (07/15/24 10:41 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch]
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Lynnch said:
There was a runner who was disqualified once (im sorry, I don't remember the details), because her testosterone was too high. Except, she wasn't doing anything illegal, it was her natural biology.. So should she be forced to race with men? Where exactly is the line, and how do you draw it?


Obviously not. That is her natural biology. Simple.

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If you allowed young trans people to begin transitioning with puberty blockers before they were adults, they wouldn't have the scary Maleness develop in them, which would make it a fair fight wouldn't it?


From what I understand, that is what the Olympics have decided... but I think they should have their own league.

I don't see why not? It is a simple solution.

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Point is, I know you want to make an easy gut judgement, but it is not that simple.


You're the one who makes easy gut judgements. You just check to see which team is on which side of the issue, and you go with that. In fact, you don't even make judgements. You follow them.

Reality is not so simple, however.


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Oh fuck off, you're advocating for the government to get in between parents and children, and their doctors. That is nothing like taking in an orphan.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch]
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"Obviously not. That is her natural biology. Simple."

You are not the supervisor of who's "biology is natural".

People's bodies differ wildly, from before birth until after death, and every aspect of change and growth is natural.

Many cis people undergo changes in biomorphic traits, or hormonal traits. Sometimes medically, sometimes by circumstance, or choice, but it's never your place to declare another person's body "unnatural".


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