chopstick said:

tyrannicalrex said:

"This is about what is appropriate to teach to children and what is not."

Yes, that's true! So why not teach them real history instead of the history skewed to fit what people wished happened? Why not teach more diversity about gay people and effeminate boys and butch types women? Why change the history books and omit VERY important info? Why erect statues glorifying assholes that were absolutely the most racist fucks alive and in positions of power? Why teach kids shit like a POV that the parents religious and other preferences are the only way and if they don't like it they can leave or get sent to a boarding school, or beat, or any other heinous acts? Why the fuck do home schooled kids turn out to be socially awkward a lot of the time due to parents "teachings" that are usually, if not always, some religious based horse shit ?(indoctrination/mind control) Why are some schools (FUCKING self proclaimed RELIGIOUS schools!!!)allowed to not allow blacks in (ie: the one fuck faced pence's wife works for) Shall I go on?

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Hey Rex - no offense, but you're drunk. Go home.

No but seriously I'm pretty sure you just went off on a rant for the sake of ranting and I don't think anything you posted actually has much to do with me or CRT.

We can't change the past and how the education system has failed up until now. But let's not make it worse by indoctrinating children with even more toxic crap, mmmkay?

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bodhisatta said:

...all CRT is saying is that minorities have disadvantages that are built into american society. And sure some minorities will do well and not really experience as many disadvantages or barriers but many will.

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There you go. 

That sure beats "you're a big fat poo poo head".

bodhisatta said:

I guess I don't know why everyone is so worried their kids are too stupid to be exposed to all sorts of ideas and remain able to think critically.

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christopera said:

chopstick said:

Alright, I gotta get back to work. Wasted too much time here today.

Don't worry pals, I'll be back later to address your concerns about how mean ol' chopstick posted a video that hurt everyone's feelings.

They should really change the name of this forum from "Political Discussion" to "Attack anyone who dares post an opinion that differs from the local consensus." Would be more accurate.

Not that I mind, I actually enjoy being the underdog in "debates" like this.

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Boo hoo? You got called out on your obvious cognitive bias and now you’re the victim? We all had to endure that bullshit. Irony? Yeah, tons of it. We wanted some intellectual honesty and the best you have is “you guys are mean to me.”

If you want to prove that CRT doesn’t work then bring some fucking evidence. Stop wagging your jaw. It would be a breath of fresh air for everybody here.

For the record, had you provided information that said this is the benefit of CRT and here are the negative consequences of CRT you likely would have been taken quite seriously.

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Kryptos said:

So, like, not teach history at all?

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bodhisatta said:

Regardless all CRT is saying is that minorities have disadvantages that are built into american society. And sure some minorities will do well and not really experience as many disadvantages or barriers but many will.

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qman said:

Kryptos said:

So, like, not teach history at all?

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Yep, stay out of politics, current events and history in the public school system. Focus on reading, writing, technology, math, sciences, foreign languages and other academic studies. Make it so there's no molding of minds outside of strict academic study, no more arguments about history, religion or cultural diversity programs. Public education needs to be as blank of a slate as possible, all other studies should be optional and outside of public education.

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qman said:

Kryptos said:

So, like, not teach history at all?

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Yep, stay out of politics, current events and history in the public school system. Focus on reading, writing, technology, math, sciences, foreign languages and other academic studies. Make it so there's no molding of minds outside of strict academic study, no more arguments about history, religion or cultural diversity programs. Public education needs to be as blank of a slate as possible, all other studies should be optional and outside of public education.

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austothehun said:

qman said:

Kryptos said:

So, like, not teach history at all?

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Yep, stay out of politics, current events and history in the public school system. Focus on reading, writing, technology, math, sciences, foreign languages and other academic studies. Make it so there's no molding of minds outside of strict academic study, no more arguments about history, religion or cultural diversity programs. Public education needs to be as blank of a slate as possible, all other studies should be optional and outside of public education.

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Do you think there’s a value to learning history? If so, how do you propose people learn about it?

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Kryptos said:

qman said:

Kryptos said:

So, like, not teach history at all?

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Yep, stay out of politics, current events and history in the public school system. Focus on reading, writing, technology, math, sciences, foreign languages and other academic studies. Make it so there's no molding of minds outside of strict academic study, no more arguments about history, religion or cultural diversity programs. Public education needs to be as blank of a slate as possible, all other studies should be optional and outside of public education.

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How do you explain reading, writing, technology, math, science, or a foreign language without knowing the history of it? This mostly applies to reading, writing, and foreign languages. Unless you are suggesting that schools only allow learning from a dictionary, or suitably context-less interactions from a story that could happen at any time.

I guess at least people will stop misunderstanding "wherefore art thou Romeo" when it becomes "I wish we could procreate, male from rival social unit".

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Smartattack said:

Recent history fucking happened and is well documented. It's no more up for debate than our current understanding of chemistry for fuck's sake. If you want academics in school then history is part of it, even if the events within cause people butthurt. Politics rules what IS and what CAN happen in the future, there is no politics to the past because it already took place, and we know a lot about the previous few hundred years. People either accept the past or they don't, doesn't mean we get to cater to butthurt folks by providing a cushy variation of history.

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qman said:

Smartattack said:

Recent history fucking happened and is well documented. It's no more up for debate than our current understanding of chemistry for fuck's sake. If you want academics in school then history is part of it, even if the events within cause people butthurt. Politics rules what IS and what CAN happen in the future, there is no politics to the past because it already took place, and we know a lot about the previous few hundred years. People either accept the past or they don't, doesn't mean we get to cater to butthurt folks by providing a cushy variation of history.

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So you have no issue with the fashion US history has been taught in the vast majority of public schools in the past 70 years? 

You also have no issue with the fashion political issues have been taught in public schools in rural areas in the US the past 70 years? 

You're assuming the truth has and will be told by our educators when clearly that hasn't been the case in many instances. Why do you naively make that assumption?

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Smartattack said:

qman said:

Smartattack said:

Recent history fucking happened and is well documented. It's no more up for debate than our current understanding of chemistry for fuck's sake. If you want academics in school then history is part of it, even if the events within cause people butthurt. Politics rules what IS and what CAN happen in the future, there is no politics to the past because it already took place, and we know a lot about the previous few hundred years. People either accept the past or they don't, doesn't mean we get to cater to butthurt folks by providing a cushy variation of history.

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So you have no issue with the fashion US history has been taught in the vast majority of public schools in the past 70 years? 

You also have no issue with the fashion political issues have been taught in public schools in rural areas in the US the past 70 years? 

You're assuming the truth has and will be told by our educators when clearly that hasn't been the case in many instances. Why do you naively make that assumption?

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What are you talking about? Yes I do have an issue with it because it is bullshit. The bullshit of what I was taught was, lucky for me, beginning to be exposed while I was "learning" it.

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Kryptos said:

How?

For example, reading. What can students read? Should schools teach reading past literal my first ABCs level? Even children's books have morals and cultural context. Otherwise, any book is gonna have new cultural concepts. That's kinda the whole point of books: sharing of viewpoints. Kills writing, too.

The entire existence of foreign languages is political.

You're kind of limited to...math. Essentially pure numbers. Everything else has a cultural "why?" behind it.

I think you'd be better off with the opposite approach. Give students every viewpoint you can. Yeah, you might not have all of them, but your job as a teacher isn't to moderate what your students are exposed to, but to find more things to expose them to. I was a little edgelord shit and read quite a bit of mein kampf in middle school. It was weird. Still, a learning experience. Hitler was not a good writer.

In some of those viewpoints, white people are the bad guys. That's kinda what CRT is. Exposure to those viewpoints. It's not about blaming white people, it's just a turn as the bond villain. Hopefully you learn from it, just like any other mistake.

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