qman said:

Here's a proposal for parents against CRT being taught in schools- we will eliminate all political teachings in public schools and stick to pure academic programs and nothing more.  But guess what?  All conservative/religious teachings will also be eliminated as well, in fact, we will take a massive effort to root it out. Ready to sign-up? I can already hear the 'my freedoms are being stolen' narrative from those very same parents.

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I would actually support that wholeheartedly

Thanks for the reasonable suggestion, qman.

tyrannicalrex said:

"This is about what is appropriate to teach to children and what is not."

Yes, that's true! So why not teach them real history instead of the history skewed to fit what people wished happened? Why not teach more diversity about gay people and effeminate boys and butch types women? Why change the history books and omit VERY important info? Why erect statues glorifying assholes that were absolutely the most racist fucks alive and in positions of power? Why teach kids shit like a POV that the parents religious and other preferences are the only way and if they don't like it they can leave or get sent to a boarding school, or beat, or any other heinous acts? Why the fuck do home schooled kids turn out to be socially awkward a lot of the time due to parents "teachings" that are usually, if not always, some religious based horse shit ?(indoctrination/mind control) Why are some schools (FUCKING self proclaimed RELIGIOUS schools!!!)allowed to not allow blacks in (ie: the one fuck faced pence's wife works for) Shall I go on?

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And that right there is your problem. You think the opinion of parents speaking out against CRT are irrelevant because some right-wing media picked up on it. Boo fucking hoo.

Those parents spoke out against it not because they gave a Fuck about politics, but because they give a fuck about their kids.

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Teach citizens about our racism = bad

YouToob proves it

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The Ecstatic said:

Smartattack said:

Y'all have to admit how comical it is to see what some folks need to hear in order to actually listen to and stand behind the words of minorities. They just need to find some real life Clayton Bigsbys to find some solidarity.

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That’s why I laugh when chopstick says “how can you say my YouTube video is bad faith? It’s BLACK PEOPLE,” because conservatives literally think using minorities as a tool is some cheat code to winning a political argument.

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That still doesn't change the fact that CRT is a toxic ideology which is logically flawed at every level which they now want to teach to every kid in the country.

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christopera said:

Your entire argument;

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Teach citizens about our racism = bad

YouToob proves it

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That’s all you got.

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All you guys have done so far is prove that you can't handle the fact that there are parents speaking out against CRT and that you're not willing to consider their arguments for even a microsecond because "what about the right-wingers". Not exactly good faith discussion, is it? On the contrary, the reactions I've received have been primarily emotional.

All because I posted someone else's opinions. The opinions of actual fucking parents. Oh, but their opinions don't count because Trump.

That pretty much sums it all up in a nutshell.

christopera said:

You posted opinions that only support your stance.

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Actually, if you did two minutes of research you would find that Coca-Cola did actually ask its employees to be less white (which means you and Psilynut2 are wrong): https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/coca-cola-diversity-training-urged-workers-to-be-less-white/

Go and watch the video in the link. It's right there.

At any rate, I think it's stupid all around and don't really give a shit what a company like Coca-Cola tells its employees but since you and Psily offered yourselves as easy to disprove, well, I couldn't help it

I don't know why you guys are jumping over yourselves to defend some megacorp that is grifting off Wokeness in exchange for money and to put out an image which is clearly faker than a used car salesman trying to sell a beater as brand new.

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chopstick said:

christopera said:

You posted opinions that only support your stance.

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Yes, and it devolved into a garbled mess of arguing with 5 different people at once for some reason I can't quite discern. Gee, I wonder why people reacted that way?

If I had posted something that was pro-CRT, there would have been no argument and no discussion.

So what am I supposed to do? Just not post any opinions that might upset the hivemind? God forbid I disturb the usual mindless echo chamber banter.

And the ironic part is, it turned into exactly the type of discussion I was hoping to avoid. I kept my original post as short as possible and without too much of my own personal opinion thrown into it specifically to avoid this exact scenario. Ah, but even that wasn't enough to satisfy you apparently.

Oh well, at-least it was entertaining.

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bodhisatta said:

Because being against CRT is for idiots. Cool you found a few morons with opinions against CRT. No one but you cares about their uneducated rhetoric

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Is name calling the best argument you can make?  That tends not to be as effective an argument as critical reasoning. 

I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm just noting your preferred method of debate with the hopes that you do better, since you're a mod.

Kind of like you called me a "Complete POS" for saying the case against Gugino was a settled matter without explaining how it was settled outside of your own opinion, even though a grand jury ruled there wasn't even enough for that case to go to trial (yes, I understand it's possible the grand jury was wrong, but it shows the case wasn't "settled").

bodhisatta said:

Because being against CRT is for idiots. Cool you found a few morons with opinions against CRT. No one but you cares about their uneducated rhetoric

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Had to come back to address this utterly idiotic post.

You have no argument which is not backed up by arrogant statements like this one.

Not a single person bothered to argue about the points brought up in the actual video I posted - instead, they were just called idiots, morons, propaganda, and made out to be right-wing agitators (which isn't true.) Oh, and something about Coca-cola (which was only a brief part of the first speaker's speech.)

Nice discussion guys.

It takes an incredible amount of bravery these days to stand for what is right, when you face such an unprecedented level of character smearing if you dare to question anything mainstream. These parents should be fucking applauded for having the guts to do what is right, knowing they will be attacked, smeared, labeled as Trumpers, and a whole host of other crap, even when their arguments are made out of love for their children and aren't meant to be political.

Sadly this discussion that took place here today is merely a reflection of just how badly the discourse has deteriorated at a national level.

chopstick said:

Alright, I gotta get back to work. Wasted too much time here today.

Don't worry pals, I'll be back later to address your concerns about how mean ol' chopstick posted a video that hurt everyone's feelings.

They should really change the name of this forum from "Political Discussion" to "Attack anyone who dares post an opinion that differs from the local consensus." Would be more accurate.

Not that I mind, I actually enjoy being the underdog in "debates" like this.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

bodhisatta said:

Because being against CRT is for idiots. Cool you found a few morons with opinions against CRT. No one but you cares about their uneducated rhetoric

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Is name calling the best argument you can make?  That tends not to be as effective an argument as critical reasoning. 

I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm just noting your preferred method of debate with the hopes that you do better, since you're a mod.

Kind of like you called me a "Complete POS" for saying the case against Gugino was a settled matter without explaining how it was settled outside of your own opinion, even though a grand jury ruled there wasn't even enough for that case to go to trial (yes, I understand it's possible the grand jury was wrong, but it shows the case wasn't "settled").

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