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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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It's 2020. Trump will wipe the floor with Bernie.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
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It's 2020.  Purple monkeys will fly from my ass

It's 2020.  Space aliens will usher in a new age of prosperity

It's 2020.  Christ will descend and smite everyone you don't like while granting you everlasting life

It's 2020.  Physicists will develop a unified theory

That was fun.
Good idea!

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
It's 2020.  Physicists will develop a unified theory



Don't rule it out :yesnod:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 3
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Metoo said:
...when presented with his whacky ideas - and Trump will make sure we know that Bernie wants to open the borders and give immigrants free healthcare - punters will bail out on him.


No, Bernie does not want open borders.  It's a shame that so many of his opponents lie about him and give him an unfair reputation.

And free healthcare is something most immigrants already had in their home countries.  I got free healthcare when I was in Russia, why can't we do the same?

Metoo said:
Sanders cannot lie. He is ideologically pure...


A very good quality about Bernie if you ask me.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
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feldman114 said:
Bigbadwooof said:
I really don't understand voting based on race, particularly for Jews. Why do they give a shit about Israel? They are Americans.


Judaism dictates, black on white, that Jews are the chosen people and are different from anyone else. This also answers your other question - Israel is “the holy land” where the new Temple will be rebuilt when the messiah returns from heaven. Jerusalem MUST be under Jewish control, even if sins are committed to achieve this.

Their racism is strange. They don’t hate on any group in particular, but think everyone else is unimportant.


Welp, AIPAC IS HELPING FUND ANTI-BERNIE SANDERS SUPER PAC ADS IN NEVADA since I guess he doesn't believe this nonsense.

Another good reason to vote for Bernie.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL]
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Yeah, no


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
No, Bernie does not want open borders


He wants them more open than what they are now and will be clobbered by Trump on this policy. I don't get quite get your other point. Would a US visitor get free healthcare in Syria or Sudan?

Edited by Metoo (02/16/20 12:38 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 2
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Is that what we are aspiring to be like around here?  Syria or Sudan?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
Is that what we are aspiring to be like around here?  Syria or Sudan?


Not all of us - Bernie wants to open the borders and give free healthcare to the immigrants

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
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What does that have to do with Sudan giving visitors healthcare?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
What does that have to do with Sudan giving visitors healthcare?


See Falcon's post above - he recveived free emergency healthcare when visiting Russia and so believes we should give free healthcare to all immigrants. Metoo thinks it is not a sound argument because many of the countries whose citizens knock on the US door are either at war or failed states and would not be able to offer free healthcare to a visiting US dude. Not saying the humanitarian principle is wrong, only that a reciprocity argument is weak.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo] * 1
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I think you misunderstood his argument.
I'm pretty sure he meant that it's shameful for a country as rich as ours to deny its citizens and visitors something a poor country like Russia, with a GDP smaller than some states in the U.S., can seemingly provide without much trouble.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
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Metoo said:
Bernie wants to open the borders...


Can you please clarify?  I just showed you an article saying he doesn't want open borders.

ballsalsa said:
Metoo said:
...and give free healthcare to the immigrants
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I don't get quite get your other point. Would a US visitor get free healthcare in Syria or Sudan?


I think you misunderstood his argument.
I'm pretty sure he meant that it's shameful for a country as rich as ours to deny its citizens and visitors something a poor country like Russia, with a GDP smaller than some states in the U.S., can seemingly provide without much trouble.


Balls is exactly correct.  Let's be more like other well to do countries.
 
People on the right keep pretending that Bernie wants be just like Venezuela, and not Scandinavian countries.  :facepalm:  :shake:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
I think you misunderstood his argument.
I'm pretty sure he meant that it's shameful for a country as rich as ours to deny its citizens and visitors something a poor country like Russia, with a GDP smaller than some states in the U.S., can seemingly provide without much trouble.


Visitors are not the same as immigrants - in case of the US they are all forewarned to get travel insurance. This is another guise of the old socialist view that if you can afford something you should be made to pay for those who cannot. I reject this argument in its generality because it would mean that we reward irresponsibility, failure and dysfunction at personal, social and national levels. Charity is a different issue - you are free to contribute your declared income to NGOs paying for healthcare of your selected social subgroup.

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Metoo said:
Visitors are not the same as immigrants - in case of the US they are all forewarned to get travel insurance.


It's a shame that people need to buy health insurance when visiting the US.  Conservatives seem to argue the poor should either go without insurance or have even less than the little they have.

Metoo said:
This is another guise of the old socialist view that if you can afford something you should be made to pay for those who cannot. I reject this argument in its generality because it would mean that we reward irresponsibility, failure and dysfunction at personal, social and national levels.


I agree, we shouldn't reward such people.  In the old Soviet Union, people who chose not to work, or whose work didn't cut it, didn't get paid.

Metoo said:
Charity is a different issue - you are free to contribute your declared income to NGOs paying for healthcare of your selected social subgroup.


Are you saying the compassionate should subsidize the poor rather than people who can better afford it?  I don't think we should punish the compassionate among us.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
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Medical attention isn’t a reward...

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Balls is exactly correct.  Let's be more like other well to do countries.
 
People on the right keep pretending that Bernie wants be just like Venezuela, and not Scandinavian countries.  :facepalm:  :shake:


Voters will decide which version they prefer. Meetoo thinks allowing people in and paying for them is generally not a great idea because you end up encouraging them to take advantage of the hosts. Sweden is in deep trouble as a result of recent uncurbed immigration - they are also a totalitarian democracy so maybe not a great example. It got so bad the state social services can take your child away in Sweden if you are known to express anti-immigrantion views. Germany is also not a happy place - my sister lives there and we talk about it regularly. Russia does not have this problem because, guess what, no one wants to emigrate there so they can afford free emergency healthcare for the visitors. Btw - having grown up in Easter Europe I suspect there is some ineffective and unenforcable mechanism to try to get a refund from visitors but probably no one even bothers to fill out the forms etc.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
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Except under Obama, the number of Americans without health insurance increased every year. Health care and immigration are two different issues. Conservatives want to pretend they are one to legitimate screwing Americans.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
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Actually, Obama got waaaay more people insured.
https://www.kff.org/report-section/the-uninsured-and-the-aca-a-primer-key-facts-about-health-insurance-and-the-uninsured-amidst-changes-to-the-affordable-care-act-how-many-people-are-uninsured/


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
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Metoo said:
Meetoo thinks allowing people in and paying for them is generally not a great idea because you end up encouraging them to take advantage of the hosts.


What country do immigrants come from that doesn't already have Government healthcare coverage?

Metoo said:
Sweden is in deep trouble as a result of recent uncurbed immigration - they are also a totalitarian democracy so maybe not a great example. It got so bad the state social services can take your child away in Sweden if you are known to express anti-immigrantion views. Germany is also not a happy place - my sister lives there and we talk about it regularly.


I'll ask again:  "Can you please clarify (how Bernie wants open borders)?  I just showed you an article saying he doesn't want open borders."

Metoo said:
Russia does not have this problem because, guess what, no one wants to emigrate there


Source?  Or make believe?

Wikipedia disagrees with you.

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