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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Robotic_touch]
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It's called Sleep Paralysis. What you described is fairly classic. I used to get it a whole lot, like twice a week. You can learn to control the fear. It's key. You'll notice that your thoughts manifest. It can be terrifying - people don't understand until they experience it - it's a new level of fear. Think good thoughts, keep calm and you can learn to explore this dimension. There is nothing to fear but fear itself - literally.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Robotic_touch]
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hey hey!
yeah i havent been able to find any good surveys or studies testing the frequency of obes, but i suspect they are very common. Ive talked to numerous people who say theyve had them without even realizing what it was.
What i meant though is that voluntarily inducing these states is pretty hard. However i never had great info so i sort of had to wing it with my techniques.

But yeah i too have had most of mine spontaneously, so i suspect it happens to other people as well.
That astral voyage website is a godsend! Its so crazy i was reading some of that stuff and it exactly matched my own experiences

one thing really got my attention:

"You get pulled back. The body has a natural magnetic pull to your etheric, and until you get far enough away and move into your astral, you will be repeatedly pulled back into it. This feels like being drunk because the pull from your physical pulls you to and fro, trying to attach you back to your physical. This is rather a comical state, but can be annoying if you are simply trying to look around while close to your body. "

this is exactly what happend to me before i had ever read about any of this stuff! crazy!

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
I thought it was a ghost so I kept hiding under my covers hoping it would go away.

Yeah, ghosts can easily pass through brick walls, but 'blankies' are like an inpenetrable force field to spirits.


it's the belief in the blanky that keeps you safe not the blanky!:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
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hahah, hes got a point swami :wink: :lol:

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
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truekimbo2 said:
since this has been gone over so many times, i feel like adding something to it this time.

usually when poeple differntiate bettween astral projection and out of body they mean
astral projection: staying in your body, but having your senses(? best way to describe) travel somewhere else, usually deep into your own imagination. with practice you can travel to other poeple's imagination and into your own subconscious and various other places. i myself consider astral projection to take place purely in the collective unconscious (I.E. not real).
Out of body: when your consciousness as a whole heads out, all in all a hell of a lot more useful. basically its a huge uncharted territory. ALOT is possible.
Remote prescence: i forgot to list this one up there, you can have your senses leave your body and travel to physical places. this is kind of like an OBE you have while still in your body, because in some manner your actual energy leaves with your conscious. this is really cool, and i don't know much how to describe it better than that. you can actually learn to RP while awake and doing things! causes disorientation, i think they call it bi-location.



so what i would add thats new, is you can use magic (i would recommend chaos magic) to have OBEs.


i think you have your terms a little mixed up.
bi-location is called clarvoyance.
astral projection is when you leave your body in the fully awakend and fully aware state.
obe is just another name for the lucid dream. cause during both you are taken somewhere without the knowledge of how you got there.
obe's can easily be misconstrued with astral projection as well. however, with astral projection you hold alot more power over whats going on.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
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faelr, i think you're the one who is confused. then again, everyone uses differnt terms. those are the current parapsychological terms though.

bi-location is a term used to describe the feeling of remote presencing, or sensing other physical locations while still in your body.
astral projection you have the extra control because you're in fantasy land.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
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truekimbo2 said:
faelr, i think you're the one who is confused.  then again, everyone uses differnt terms.  those are the current parapsychological terms though.

bi-location is a term used to describe the feeling of remote presencing, or sensing other physical locations while still in your body.
astral projection you have the extra control because you're in fantasy land.


i think we have different systems of belief.
agree to disagree on the subject?:grin:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
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yeah i dont know wtf is goin on, i always saw astral projection and an out of body experience as the same thing, no difference, to project into the astral is to go out of body.

how can u even consider it to be an out of body if you dont even realize you have gone out of body, i just consider them to be dreams. and if i become consciously aware i am dreaming i consider that to be a lucid dream.

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
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like i said, agree to disagree.:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
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you should share some of your experiences, faelr :smile:

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
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i don't astral project much, but astrally projecting doesn't... use your body's chi would be a way to put it. so energetically nothing can happen to you while out, you can just learn new concepts and shit.i'm very biased towards astral projection since according to the school that i follow its just imagination, even if it can sync up with other poeple's imagniation. when your bodys energy actually dissociates from your body, things can still happen to YOU, the you that is you.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
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truekimbo2 said:
i don't astral project much, but astrally projecting doesn't... use your body's chi would be a way to put it.  so energetically nothing can happen to you while out, you can just learn new concepts and shit.i'm very biased towards astral projection since according to the school that i follow its just imagination, even if it can sync up with other poeple's imagniation.  when your bodys energy actually dissociates from your body, things can still happen to YOU, the you that is you.


maybe you should learn a new lesson.:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
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Kottonmouth said:
you should share some of your experiences, faelr :smile:


soon enough..... i like listening to others experiences....sometimes i think people are dead wrong! i believe some people have never really projected consciously.

take any spherical object and spin it. do you see the many faces of the astral?


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
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instead of practicing my astral projection, i think i'll just continue my telekinesis/energy manupulation work, so that in 10 years if anyone tries to negate my opinion i just darth vader them.

good luck on YOUR path though, i hope you pick up shielding

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
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shielding? all i need is that i am:smirk: good luck on the darth vader thing though....prove 'em wrong buddy, prove them wrong!:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
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sometimes i think people are dead wrong! i believe some people have never really projected consciously.


hmm, are you insinuating something, faelr?

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
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call me a closed-minded skeptic or whatever you like, but i dont buy this whole astral projection business. not that i totally dismiss it because i simply have no way to show it does not exist. but from what i hear it simply sounds like either beginning stages of sleep (dream-like states described) or lucid dreams that occur when sleeping for short times during the day. once you are lucid and you change your environment you can fly off to mars or go into your grandmothers bedroom and see what's under the bed. but that's just your minds world, not physical reality. ...  :shake:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: yewhew]
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once you are lucid and you change your environment you can fly off to mars or go into your grandmothers bedroom and see what's under the bed. but that's just your minds world, not physical reality. ...




then how do u explain seeing things that are in the physical? i mean....even if it was just the minds world, it obviously has accuracy. there are a lot of things that are real happenings that just because you havent experienced for yourself you will think are complete bullshit.

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
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Kottonmouth said:
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sometimes i think people are dead wrong! i believe some people have never really projected consciously.


hmm, are you insinuating something, faelr?


no no, but i have a tough time believing some experiences.
like i said different belief systems.:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: yewhew]
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yewhew said:
call me a closed-minded skeptic or whatever you like, but i dont buy this whole astral projection business. not that i totally dismiss it because i simply have no way to show it does not exist. but from what i hear it simply sounds like either beginning stages of sleep (dream-like states described) or lucid dreams that occur when sleeping for short times during the day. once you are lucid and you change your environment you can fly off to mars or go into your grandmothers bedroom and see what's under the bed. but that's just your minds world, not physical reality. ...  :shake:


our minds have a direct effect on what we see and do in the physical. pyschology 101 :smirk:


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