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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Swami]
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OBEs also do not follow a consistenct set of rules

Different place, different rules. Nobody knows the rules of the astral plane yet as it has not been studied in this way. Maybe there are no rules, maybe the only rules are set by the limits of our imagination.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Swami]
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That is such a sad question. I hope that this attitude is not representative of the next generation. You learned from other people who care enough to take the time to show you and then you ask why you should care? Why should I show my "Little Brother" how to throw a baseball? Why did your teachers teach you how to read & write? Why did your parents care enough to raise you? We are communicating right now, because of people who cared. They cared to do research and validate their ideas and then share them. We care because we are a community of humans.

Wow Swami you brought some tears to my eyes with that speech!
Say waw waw what!


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Swami]
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"Its not easy to use for wrong intentions.
Why not? Every other human power may easily be used for wrong intentions."

I dont know why, it just seems to be that way. That did also the government discover, the military. There is a man who used to be in the military training their people in Remote viewing who got out of the government and now teaches everyone who wants to learn. Sorry for my bad english :P

"And why should I care if anyone else believe it?
That is such a sad question. I hope that this attitude is not representative of the next generation."

If someone dont believe and wants proves I give a shit cause its not my mission to save the world and let everyone be psychic gods or whatever.

"The developement of telekinetic powers also seems to be real after my own personal experiments. Not that I'm any good with it.
Unlike ALL of the other paranormal "powers", this one is unique and very special to us skeptics. You don't have to be very good at it to demonstrate it's authenticity. One can't guess at telekinesis like picking out a card. Just doing it once in a thousand tries would blow my mind. "

I am only able to do telekinetic activitives while out of body by some reason. And its only been a very few times, and needs alot of focusing and concentration. What I did one time was going out of body, trying to get a pencil on my desk to fall down. After some time I managed it. Another time I pushed a piece of paper. Only small easy objects. I think there is an connection between the OBEs and telekinetic as well as other psychic powers. I am doing my research privately, and I am writing about it, logging it, and will eventually publish it.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: LOBO]
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Is like trying to explain a shroom trip to some one you never had done any drugs, you can't convey the experience, you have to live it for your self.

Only in one sense. However, If I give 10g of potent cubes to anyone on this planet they WILL experience the bemushroomed state. OBE exercises only seem to work for a very small percentage of the population.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: shaganoz]
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Its not internal, if it was internal, I would not go out being external from my body, able to see whats going on outside, in other rooms, other peoples houses, and get it verified thereafter.

If it is external, then why is it impossible for anyone to travel to my house and verify it for me?

You said twice that you don't care. There MUST be things that you care about; a new PC, a nice house, travel, a Ferrari, sexy women. Some paranormalist out there must care about Randi's $1,000,000. Wouldn't you like a cool million bucks?

If you want to warm up first, I will offer $1000 in yet another Swami Challenge to anyone who can Astral Travel to my house and identify an object.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: LOBO]
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Wow Swami you brought some tears to my eyes with that speech!

LOL! I am just practicing for my run at the Senate...


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OBE & Astral projection links and books [Re: Swami]
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Some links to sites about OBEs, astral projection, and other related material:

Ouf of Body Experiences FAQ:
http://www.lycaeum.org/altered/astral/astral.htm

Astral Society:
http://www.astralsociety.com/

The Astral Experience:
http://www.whiteoakdesign.net/timekillers//astral/index.html

Search and Prove:
http://www.oesi.com/searchandprove/

Brain Wave Mind Voyages:
http://www.brainwaveentrainment.com/

Spiritweb:
http://www.spiritweb.org

Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce:
http://www.astraldynamics.com
http://www.astralpulse.com

The Lucidity Institute:
http://www.lucidity.com/

Balabenes OBE's and Astral Page
http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~a8424mae/english/engindex.htm

William Buhlmans OBE and Astral Projection site:
http://www.mach1audio.com/out-of-body/

Reccommanded Books:
get them at Amazon.com

Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce
Adventures Beyond the Body by William Buhlman
Leaving the Body: A complete guide to Astral Projection by D. Scott Rogo

Those 3 books are the only ones I can really reccommand, many bad books out there, and many only trying to gain some money. But the three above have really studied the out of body experience and astral projection matter, and done alot of research, and come up with great methods, especially Robert Bruce, his methods are the best I ever found, you will develope your psychic self by doing his exercises and following instructions from beginning to end and you should end up being able to have an OBE. Hopefully several like me and many many others.

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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Swami]
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-"If it is external, then why is it impossible for anyone to travel to my house and verify it for me?"

Its not impossible. the problem is to find some person who would do it. Personally I have no interest. There is much more important things for me to do in OBEs, and much more spiritual knowledge to get for me, as well as developing myself. And, its not easy doing what you ask for, I'm not a OBE master that can do it whenever I want to. Someone did the thing you ask for with me once though, as I mentioned in an earlier post. Too bad I dont know where he is these days, maybe he would have done it.

-"You said twice that you don't care. There MUST be things that you care about; a new PC, a nice house, travel, a Ferrari, sexy women. Some paranormalist out there must care about Randi's $1,000,000. Wouldn't you like a cool million bucks?"

I dont care for money. I got what I need. I have enough to buy my food and rent and bills. I would prefere less things really.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: shaganoz]
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I see. There is nothing spiritual that you could perhaps do for others with a $1,000,000? A homeless shelter, an OBE school, diabetes research, Christian Childrens' fund, save the Rain Forest, etc....

Isn't it spiritual to help to open the eyes of others to new possibilities? Or is your spirituality exemplified by selfishness and apathy?


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Swami]
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I have not been chosen by the Gods to help or serve others then myself. If I want to help someone, then I do, if I dont, then I dont. Depends. What happens happens. Maybe you should help them with those thousand dollars of yours.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: shaganoz]
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Why don't you use your powers to find missing children?

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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: ]
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I need to locate my inner child...


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Swami]
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With the amount of bovine fecal matter that comes out in this forum, it's amazing that mushrooms aren't sprouting from the server.

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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: ]
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Evolving: Why don't you use your powers to find missing children?

I tried finding some missing person once, and I got some information where he might be, but I never told anyone, instead I'll wait and see if they find him where I think he might be. If I told them where he is maybe they think I wasted him, hard to explain them how I got the information if u know..


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: shaganoz]
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are you saying swami that your house and inanimate household objects are well documented and signposted on the astral plane
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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Swami]
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Bring him on. I am so very tired of amateur psychics, inexperienced Astral Travellers, apprentice telepathics, and junior magicians. Where, oh where, the fuck is the REAL DEAL?

Well, seeing as how our world has been sunken into a pit of one sided logic and religion for the past five thousand years, the real deal is few and far between. I would expect though, that with the transformation the world is undergoing now, more and more people will be tapping into these abilities as well as getting much better at them. I don't claim to be a master psychic, telepath, astral traveller, or whatever else. I do claim that I have experienced them. Give me more time to get some more experience under my belt, and maybe I will clairvoyantly describe your house in every detail, or maybe even further down the road, I will telekenetically lift you into the air and spin you in circles in the atmosphere. Until myself or someone else does this though, please remain the hardcore skeptic that we love and cherish. The day Swami comes on this board and starts talking about his experiences with telepathy is the day I demateralize or something.

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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: shaganoz]
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If I told them where he is maybe they think I wasted him, hard to explain them how I got the information if u know..

OK, so don't tell them, but post it here so that it is time-stamped. When the body shows up you can scan in the newspaper article and prove your powers.

The Swam bends over backwards to be accommodating.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: ]
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Why don't you use your powers to find missing children?

There is a similar process, but instead of finding missing children, you find missing souls. It is called soul retrieval. It involves projecting yourself, finding a person who has died, but has not left the physical world. In other words they are a soul without a body, but still believe they are living in the physical world. Some people call them ghosts. But they are just lost souls. All they need is a little guidance, and there are many people who participate in soul retrievals, which entails entering the astral realm, finding one of these souls, consoling with them, and getting them to come with you to where they need to be. Once they have agreed, you take them into a higher spiritual plane, where a spiritual being, who some would call an angel, is waiting for them. The angels cant do it themselves, because they are not in the physical world. We help them and meet them halfway.

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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: ]
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I ask about something that may actually help people (no monetary profit involved - use your powers for the good of the innocent) and in typical fashion we're presented with more meaningless unverifiable malarkey. The "mystic side step" is a predictable little dance, it only goes in circles.

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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: ]
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I just remembered a story I once heard, written in the first person:

"I was hiking through the woods one day. A pine forest carpeted with red needles... it was beautiful, it SMELLED beautiful. A brisk pace through this heaven and out of the corner of my eye, a sparkle. But the sparkle wasn't mine, no, it came from under the carpet. A blue, crystalline rock that didn't belong. Bent down, I picked it up. At that moment the light of the world entered my body and I became a true god. I had found the philosopher's stone. And do you know what I did? I thought about everyone else in the world and said "Fuck 'em all!" and I dug a deep hole at the base of a nondescript tree and dropped it in. I buried it, closed my eyes, spun around, and walked away. I'll never find it again... I hope."

So, if you refuse to share... you're either a liar or selfish.


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