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OfflineMagus
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Astral Projection--- for real?
    #2582325 - 04/20/04 01:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I learned about Astral Projection a few months ago, but have been too lazy to hone in on the skill. I was wondering who here can do it, how easy it was for you to learn, and what you can do with it. I've read on FAQs that it can take a couple weeks to a couple months with focused practice. I've also read that you can look back in the past, look at possible futures, watch friends dream, fly to Mars, and so forth. What's the real deal for you people about Astral Prjoection?


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Magus]
    #2582705 - 04/20/04 02:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

kk ive talked about this in a number of posts
first of all it depends how you define astral projection
personally ive experienced what i call 'out of body experiences' the seperation of the conciousness from the physical body in a state that is categorically diffrent from waking or dreaming or hallucinogenic drug states...

First it happend mostly by accident, with no effort on my part. since then ive discoverd some meditative techniques to achieve the seperation, but it is touch and go. usually i can get to a state of intense vibration but often it gets too intense and i snap back awake with a big jerk instead of seperating...

to answer your question, these states can be achieved, but it is difficult and rare, and also if you have no previous practice with meditation or anything like that you have an extra obstacle to overcome...

check online for some good instructions and manuals, but question everything and realize that many whackos exist. also not everyone will be able to have these experiences, and persistence and effort are nescessary to achieve them intentionally with any degree of consistency.


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Offlinefaelr
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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Magus]
    #2583473 - 04/20/04 04:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i don't agree with what magus said.
i can do it and always have been able to do it.
having out of the body experiences or lucid dreams is not astral projection. everyone can do it. and it's realitivly easy once you learn how to think.
first learn how to breath it's very essential this part is definitely the hardest to learn. breath in through your nose and out through your mouth. when breathing try and start filling your stomach first then all the way up through your throat and try and feel you body's energy moving through your head. clear your head of all fear and doubt. let your eyes close naturally. you should now exhale out of your mouth slowly until all the air is emptied out of your lungs. then relax every muscle in your body. and continue breathing.

if done correctly you will enter an almost dream like state.
when in this state your body is very open to suggestion. let it fall asleep while keeping your mind awake. by no means should you be moving. motionlessness is the key. you'd be surprized how much you actually move when your not aware. you'll know your finding success by the amount of lucid dreams you are having. lucid meaning you can carry thought processes, the dream world is in color and you have some if not total control of the dream. when you can control your dreams you can control your thinking. after that comes true astral projection. the ability to do and go whenever you want.

it does take a good amount of practice to acheive this state but hey since you have to go to sleep every day anyway why not practice then.

i am native american (nipmuck) i learned these techniques through tribal teachings. they work for me.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Magus]
    #2583601 - 04/20/04 05:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i can, but im too fucked up right now to say anythign other than it is awesome, and everything magus has read about can be done, but of course shit takes much practice and experience, so you aint gonna just dive into the most kick ass shit when starting out....maybe, but for me i aint shit at it yet


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2583987 - 04/20/04 07:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ok first of all check out this website www.astralvoyage.com everything you'll need to know.

And second of all theres no single way to do it. You can use other peoples techniques but its best to make up your own or use combinations of different ones. Don't let anyone tell you this is the one way its done.

I've recently started doing it but i haen't had that much time to keep up a regualr practice with school and all. Its best done on the weekend when you have a few hours alone. its possible to do at night but you can end up fallingaseelp and start dremaing without realizing it easier than in the day. My most succesful time was actually one of my first tries. I was lying down and over the course of one hour or more i proceeded to let my body fall asleep and empty my head of thought concentrating on a single thread of consiousness. my body fellasleep and all of a sudden i started rumbling. At this point its hard because this is your chakras activating which happens every night when you sleep but this is while your awake so you have to hold on and not jump awake but at the same time you can't hold on to the thought of holding on... its kind of difficult i eventually did wake up out of this but i intend to practice more.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: NewMoon]
    #2584093 - 04/20/04 08:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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And second of all theres no single way to do it. You can use other peoples techniques but its best to make up your own or use combinations of different ones. Don't let anyone tell you this is the one way its done.





definitely. this is awesome advice, and very true.


i always do it at night, so i either project or i fall asleep, but my mind is trained pretty well to project at night. sometimes i will have 3 or 4 a week, sometimes it will be weeks before i have another one. it helps if you are already tired. there has been times i actually laid down for not even a few seconds and had vibrations, swear to god. i lie down and boom, its like holy shit i didnt even get a chance to breathe

its best to be on your back as well, although i have had spontaneous ones on my stomach and sides too, but the ones i induce myelf are always done on my back.


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Offlinefaelr
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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2584150 - 04/20/04 08:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

shit. i'm sorry magus i meant i didn't agree with pharmakos. my bad.
keep trying everyone can do it and should also try to. don't let disbelief be your downfall.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2584222 - 04/20/04 09:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:P i had a feeling thats what you really meant..

here is what i dont agree with:
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to answer your question, these states can be achieved, but it is difficult and rare




its definitely not rare, imo.  check this out bro, you know all of those people who say they suffer from night terrors, they call it sleep paralysis?  there is a lot of people who have these, and this is the beginning of an out of body, it is nothing more than vibrations, but people are naive and they aint tryin to hear it.  They happened to me allllllll the time, i honestly thought the house was haunted for awhile and something was tryin to steal my body.  lmao, man i was ignorant at the time, i know better now days.  if this has happened to you, or happens to you, you have a head start.

we leave our bodies every single night, but we go subconscious before we realize it, so it really isnt that difficult to train the mind to stay conscious while the body falls asleep.  you are in control, tell yourself you will remain conscious while yoru body falls asleep. pray/ask for help to acheive this state, it works if you have no fear/doubt of this experience.  any fear and any doubt will only hold you back, trust me.

my first one ever, i remember clearly. i will share it.  I woke up on my left side, could not feel vibrations at first, thought that i just had woke up, so i tried to roll over but could not move, i was liek wtf, tried harder to roll over but i coudl not move at all i started to get scared and then this shakey feeling went throughout my body(vibrations) and i heard this crazy noise like a bunch of chains rattling or something, and i finally got up and i went to turn the light on but my hand went right through the switch, i could not turn it on, i was freaking out so hard, then suddenly i was back in my body and i got up again and turned the light on, i was thinking W.T.FUUUUUUCK just happened to me, i was going nuts?  house has to be haunted, some spirit is after my body, i didnt know wtf to think of it, what woudl you think?  its obvious to me now, the first time i got up, i was out of body, the second time i was back in body.

but i later learned about all of this from this woman who knows a lot about them, she explained why everything that was happening to me happens and it all hit right on, so i knew then it was no bullshit, but i was a huge skeptic back then, so even though i projected myself and i saw myself sleeping i still had to prove small little things to myself, like can we float through walls and travel by thought, and it all worked out and proved to be true, time travel, true, guides, true, all the shit she said was fact(it was enough for me atleast, and i was a skeptic at the time).  the possibilities are pretty much endless being able to time travel, you can figure anything out, think about it, it all sounds like bullshit, but its true. we are not our bodies and WE are very powerful.  ok i will shut up now  :grin:


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Offlinefaelr
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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2585928 - 04/21/04 04:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i was also very skeptical. especially after being force fed this bullshit (thats what i used to call it) since i was old enough to speak. but all that ended when it happened the first time. but anywho, practice makes perfect.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Magus]
    #2585939 - 04/21/04 05:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Never say never.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2585956 - 04/21/04 05:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

this isn't my quote it just makes me think. I am always awake it's my body that sleeps. call it a paradox or something like that


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Magus]
    #2585979 - 04/21/04 05:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hers a brilliant website on astral projection with downloads of manuals aswell http://www.astralpulse.com/downloads/downloads.htm


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: spudamore]
    #2586510 - 04/21/04 12:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

since this has been gone over so many times, i feel like adding something to it this time.

usually when poeple differntiate bettween astral projection and out of body they mean
astral projection: staying in your body, but having your senses(? best way to describe) travel somewhere else, usually deep into your own imagination. with practice you can travel to other poeple's imagination and into your own subconscious and various other places. i myself consider astral projection to take place purely in the collective unconscious (I.E. not real).
Out of body: when your consciousness as a whole heads out, all in all a hell of a lot more useful. basically its a huge uncharted territory. ALOT is possible.
Remote prescence: i forgot to list this one up there, you can have your senses leave your body and travel to physical places. this is kind of like an OBE you have while still in your body, because in some manner your actual energy leaves with your conscious. this is really cool, and i don't know much how to describe it better than that. you can actually learn to RP while awake and doing things! causes disorientation, i think they call it bi-location.



so what i would add thats new, is you can use magic (i would recommend chaos magic) to have OBEs.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2586535 - 04/21/04 12:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you can have your senses leave your body and travel to physical places

Uh huh. It is just that no one can do this imaginary feat else they would "see" the object next to my computer and garner my $20,000.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Swami]
    #2586558 - 04/21/04 12:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Do you mean that pair of dirty socks? Where's my $20,000?


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Evolving]
    #2586578 - 04/21/04 12:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Anybody could see that, but what brand?


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Swami]
    #2586725 - 04/21/04 01:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

OMFG!!!!! I just realized that I have astral projected in the past and I never realized it! I had been interested in Astral Projection for a long long time but never could do it but after reading all these experiences and what its like I realize that it happened to me before!!

So check it.....when it happened to me I actually thought I was being possessed by a ghost :frown: I was laying in bed waiting to fall asleep when I started feeling these vibrations above my head, I got freaked out because I had no clue what the fuck it was....I thought it was a ghost so I kept hiding under my covers hoping it would go away. (The whole time I was in like a dream like trance). So the vibrations kept getting more intense and I was really getting scared, I remember trying to move to leave the room but I was paralyzed, I tried screaming and nothing would come out of my mouth, it was fuckin crazy.....all this went on until I finally snapped out of it. So do you think that experience was astral projection??

I also have 2 other weird experiences.......not sure what they were....

So I was sleeping having a nightmare and I remember sitting up to get out of it and as I sat up and opened my eyes I couldnt see my room, I could still see the nightmare going on.....It was fucked up.....

Another time (this was when I was little) I was sitting on the bar in my house playing with toys and I slipped and as I fell.......I fell asleep and floated down to thr ground in a trance and when I hit the ground I woke up, that has happened to me twice when I was young.....

So those are my experiences........I hope to have more now that I know what astral projecting feels like (I think) I can do it more :smile:

Let me know what you all think of these experiences and If I am right in judging the first one as astral projection. Thx


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Robotic_touch]
    #2586749 - 04/21/04 01:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I thought it was a ghost so I kept hiding under my covers hoping it would go away.

Yeah, ghosts can easily pass through brick walls, but 'blankies' are like an inpenetrable force field to spirits.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Robotic_touch]
    #2586782 - 04/21/04 02:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I tried screaming and nothing would come out of my mouth, it was fuckin crazy




lol, yeah i forgot to add i screamed like a bitch too.  i live with my grandparents, and i was actually like "graaaaandmaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!! heeeeeeeellllpppppp" MAN, it is crazy, what else are you supposed to think other than it must be some kind of a fuckin ghost? lol i mean shit.  but yeah, that was the beginning of an out of body.  when you are in the vibrational state, that is when you are 'detached', from there you can seperate.  when you seperate, many times all u will see is blackness, you must tune in your vision, you gotta think or say something to yoruself to trigger the vision to fade in(it literally will fade into focus, its really cool) Although sometimes my vision will fade in without me having to say anything, i usually have to say something like "clarity now", though.  doesnt matter what you say, all that matters is that you yourself understand what it is you want out of whatever you choose to say, its all in the mind. everything is done by thought.

swami, you funny mother fucker, keep crackin jokes, im losin weight over here  :lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Swami]
    #2586789 - 04/21/04 02:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Its not like I could move to get away from it, the blanket was my only shield!


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Robotic_touch]
    #2586910 - 04/21/04 02:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's called Sleep Paralysis. What you described is fairly classic. I used to get it a whole lot, like twice a week. You can learn to control the fear. It's key. You'll notice that your thoughts manifest. It can be terrifying - people don't understand until they experience it - it's a new level of fear. Think good thoughts, keep calm and you can learn to explore this dimension. There is nothing to fear but fear itself - literally.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Robotic_touch]
    #2587075 - 04/21/04 03:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hey hey!
yeah i havent been able to find any good surveys or studies testing the frequency of obes, but i suspect they are very common. Ive talked to numerous people who say theyve had them without even realizing what it was.
What i meant though is that voluntarily inducing these states is pretty hard. However i never had great info so i sort of had to wing it with my techniques.

But yeah i too have had most of mine spontaneously, so i suspect it happens to other people as well.
That astral voyage website is a godsend! Its so crazy i was reading some of that stuff and it exactly matched my own experiences

one thing really got my attention:

"You get pulled back. The body has a natural magnetic pull to your etheric, and until you get far enough away and move into your astral, you will be repeatedly pulled back into it. This feels like being drunk because the pull from your physical pulls you to and fro, trying to attach you back to your physical. This is rather a comical state, but can be annoying if you are simply trying to look around while close to your body. "

this is exactly what happend to me before i had ever read about any of this stuff! crazy!


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Swami]
    #2587882 - 04/21/04 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
I thought it was a ghost so I kept hiding under my covers hoping it would go away.

Yeah, ghosts can easily pass through brick walls, but 'blankies' are like an inpenetrable force field to spirits.



it's the belief in the blanky that keeps you safe not the blanky!:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2588390 - 04/21/04 10:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hahah, hes got a point swami :wink: :lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2593291 - 04/23/04 01:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

truekimbo2 said:
since this has been gone over so many times, i feel like adding something to it this time.

usually when poeple differntiate bettween astral projection and out of body they mean
astral projection: staying in your body, but having your senses(? best way to describe) travel somewhere else, usually deep into your own imagination. with practice you can travel to other poeple's imagination and into your own subconscious and various other places. i myself consider astral projection to take place purely in the collective unconscious (I.E. not real).
Out of body: when your consciousness as a whole heads out, all in all a hell of a lot more useful. basically its a huge uncharted territory. ALOT is possible.
Remote prescence: i forgot to list this one up there, you can have your senses leave your body and travel to physical places. this is kind of like an OBE you have while still in your body, because in some manner your actual energy leaves with your conscious. this is really cool, and i don't know much how to describe it better than that. you can actually learn to RP while awake and doing things! causes disorientation, i think they call it bi-location.



so what i would add thats new, is you can use magic (i would recommend chaos magic) to have OBEs.



i think you have your terms a little mixed up.
bi-location is called clarvoyance.
astral projection is when you leave your body in the fully awakend and fully aware state.
obe is just another name for the lucid dream. cause during both you are taken somewhere without the knowledge of how you got there.
obe's can easily be misconstrued with astral projection as well. however, with astral projection you hold alot more power over whats going on.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2593358 - 04/23/04 02:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

faelr, i think you're the one who is confused. then again, everyone uses differnt terms. those are the current parapsychological terms though.

bi-location is a term used to describe the feeling of remote presencing, or sensing other physical locations while still in your body.
astral projection you have the extra control because you're in fantasy land.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2593392 - 04/23/04 02:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

truekimbo2 said:
faelr, i think you're the one who is confused.  then again, everyone uses differnt terms.  those are the current parapsychological terms though.

bi-location is a term used to describe the feeling of remote presencing, or sensing other physical locations while still in your body.
astral projection you have the extra control because you're in fantasy land.



i think we have different systems of belief.
agree to disagree on the subject?:grin:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2593397 - 04/23/04 02:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah i dont know wtf is goin on, i always saw astral projection and an out of body experience as the same thing, no difference, to project into the astral is to go out of body.

how can u even consider it to be an out of body if you dont even realize you have gone out of body, i just consider them to be dreams. and if i become consciously aware i am dreaming i consider that to be a lucid dream.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2593466 - 04/23/04 02:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

like i said, agree to disagree.:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2594756 - 04/23/04 02:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you should share some of your experiences, faelr :smile:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2595791 - 04/23/04 07:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i don't astral project much, but astrally projecting doesn't... use your body's chi would be a way to put it. so energetically nothing can happen to you while out, you can just learn new concepts and shit.i'm very biased towards astral projection since according to the school that i follow its just imagination, even if it can sync up with other poeple's imagniation. when your bodys energy actually dissociates from your body, things can still happen to YOU, the you that is you.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2595927 - 04/23/04 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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i don't astral project much, but astrally projecting doesn't... use your body's chi would be a way to put it.  so energetically nothing can happen to you while out, you can just learn new concepts and shit.i'm very biased towards astral projection since according to the school that i follow its just imagination, even if it can sync up with other poeple's imagniation.  when your bodys energy actually dissociates from your body, things can still happen to YOU, the you that is you.



maybe you should learn a new lesson.:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2596008 - 04/23/04 09:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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you should share some of your experiences, faelr :smile:



soon enough..... i like listening to others experiences....sometimes i think people are dead wrong! i believe some people have never really projected consciously.

take any spherical object and spin it. do you see the many faces of the astral?


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2596547 - 04/24/04 12:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

instead of practicing my astral projection, i think i'll just continue my telekinesis/energy manupulation work, so that in 10 years if anyone tries to negate my opinion i just darth vader them.

good luck on YOUR path though, i hope you pick up shielding

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2597168 - 04/24/04 04:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

shielding? all i need is that i am:smirk: good luck on the darth vader thing though....prove 'em wrong buddy, prove them wrong!:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2597579 - 04/24/04 12:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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sometimes i think people are dead wrong! i believe some people have never really projected consciously.




hmm, are you insinuating something, faelr?


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2597607 - 04/24/04 12:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

call me a closed-minded skeptic or whatever you like, but i dont buy this whole astral projection business. not that i totally dismiss it because i simply have no way to show it does not exist. but from what i hear it simply sounds like either beginning stages of sleep (dream-like states described) or lucid dreams that occur when sleeping for short times during the day. once you are lucid and you change your environment you can fly off to mars or go into your grandmothers bedroom and see what's under the bed. but that's just your minds world, not physical reality. ...  :shake:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: yewhew]
    #2597771 - 04/24/04 01:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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once you are lucid and you change your environment you can fly off to mars or go into your grandmothers bedroom and see what's under the bed. but that's just your minds world, not physical reality. ...






then how do u explain seeing things that are in the physical? i mean....even if it was just the minds world, it obviously has accuracy. there are a lot of things that are real happenings that just because you havent experienced for yourself you will think are complete bullshit.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2597796 - 04/24/04 01:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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sometimes i think people are dead wrong! i believe some people have never really projected consciously.




hmm, are you insinuating something, faelr?



no no, but i have a tough time believing some experiences.
like i said different belief systems.:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: yewhew]
    #2597859 - 04/24/04 01:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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call me a closed-minded skeptic or whatever you like, but i dont buy this whole astral projection business. not that i totally dismiss it because i simply have no way to show it does not exist. but from what i hear it simply sounds like either beginning stages of sleep (dream-like states described) or lucid dreams that occur when sleeping for short times during the day. once you are lucid and you change your environment you can fly off to mars or go into your grandmothers bedroom and see what's under the bed. but that's just your minds world, not physical reality. ...  :shake:



our minds have a direct effect on what we see and do in the physical. pyschology 101 :smirk:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2597964 - 04/24/04 02:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

then how do u explain seeing things that are in the physical?
Imagination and memory.

i mean....even if it was just the minds world, it obviously has accuracy.
There obviously is no accuracy. No one can read an object they have not previously seen in their memory. (FYI, the Swami Astral Projection test ends this weekend and the accuracy so far is zero.) Point to ALL the stories you want. This test was a dismal failure. However, you are welcome to come up with a better one.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Magus]
    #2598377 - 04/24/04 04:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

haha get over it dudes lucid dreaming is fun, but if none of you can see the thing by Swami's computer then please shut up with your ridiculous claims thanks.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2598858 - 04/24/04 09:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

im not going to do it becuase i think swami is an ungrateful bastard, fuck his tests, how do u know we havent visited his dumbass and just talk shit about him behind the scenes? fuck swami, never will a skeptic get his way with me. even if i describe to him everything in total fucking accuracy, hed be like, "well, hmm, ok, you must have talked to somoene who knows me personally and they are playing a joke on me, i am still not conviced", i dont want to fucking hear it man, go along on your skeptic path and feel like a stupid fuck when u die, its not my path to give proof to anyone but myself.

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2598936 - 04/24/04 10:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

anger doesn't help. some only listen to what they want.
they don't ask questions to learn. the formula of a joke is ....set up and punch line. ask swami!:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2598943 - 04/24/04 10:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Kottonmouth, if you could simply pass the Swami Challenge, you wouldn't need to be angry.  Why be angry when you can be happy?  Plus I think he put up like 25,000 dollars or something.  That's a nice chunk of change.  You chose to be in this thread, you chose to be angry.  :3rd_eye:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2598949 - 04/24/04 10:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Kottonmouth, if you could simply pass the Swami Challenge, you wouldn't need to be angry.  Why be angry when you can be happy?  Plus I think he put up like 25,000 dollars or something.  That's a nice chunk of change.  You chose to be in this thread, you chose to be angry.  :3rd_eye:



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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2598959 - 04/24/04 10:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Are you talking about Astral Projection? You can't see who you don't know? Well, it isn't any hair off my back if you can't prove your ability.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2598961 - 04/24/04 10:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

lol, all im really saying is swami can find his own damn proof.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2598968 - 04/24/04 10:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well if you say that, then you shouldn't simulteneously make claims to the ability to astrally project. I'm totally serious, if you can astrally project I would rather have you use it for good in the world than keep it all to yourself (which I think is selfish). Use it to take Bush out of office or something.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2598977 - 04/24/04 10:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Use it to take Bush out of office or something. "


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2598981 - 04/24/04 10:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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you can't see who you don't know




bullshit. you CAN. you arent drawn to people by knowing their bodies face. you are drawn to their "vibe", their..."shine", their SOUL, THE REAL THEM. You dont need to know swami to go visit him, all u need to do is read his posts.

im so sorry for getting pissed, but damnit, im tired of this "prove it, prove it, do this my way, let me get my way which wont even do it anyways even if you can because i always got a contradicting answer for "how" things happen".

Did someone come visit me????? hell naw, i found out for myself, even though i thought it was complete bullshit, i found out myself. So guess what bro, DO THE SAME, and like the way its gonna be.

Maybe someday someone will feel sorry for you and they will visit you and tell u of it, if they dont mind getting shit on that is. But i will not stand for it.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2598991 - 04/24/04 10:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

whats selfish is assholes wanting shit shown to them THEIR way, rather than doing the work for themselves.

you wanna astral project? THEN PRACTICE. dont be a pussy.

ITS FEAR holding you back.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2598992 - 04/24/04 10:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You're a Bush supporter aren't you... :mad2:  But in all seriousness.  As a master of psychology I will now expose your own intentions to you.  You believe you can astrally project.  You have tied up some unknown quantity of time reading about it and or practicing it.  You then cannot perform it for others.  You feel like you are being cornered and this combined with your inability to perform causes you to lash out in an attempt to place the blame or burden of evidence on the 'nasty, mean old skeptic'.  You don't need to stand for it if you don't want.

Edit:  I don't desire the ability to astrally project, buddy.  Therefore I will not practice it.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2599054 - 04/24/04 11:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you dont know me, bert. you dont seem to comprehend my reasons, so therefore your diagnosis of me sucks. I already said i am simply disappointed, in the laziness. i am a man that proves things to himself, not the the whiners that cant find truth for themselves like me, that is what irritates my shit are these whiney bastards that cant find own truth. you are one of them, "buddy".

PS> i think bush is a piece of shit too, he is a fucking terrorist and he is going to be elected again becuase people are so stupid they dont see how bad he is.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2599089 - 04/24/04 11:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'll admit I don't know what 'the truth' is. Neither do you. But I still maintain that if you are going to go on a public message board and make claims to telepathy or something, then you should be prepared to back up those claims. I have no personal antipathy toward you. I support a system in which the truth can be sought in a organized and orderly manner. 'Find the truth for myself?' That is what I'm trying to do.

So whether you, personally, decide to take up the challenge is up to you. I am not forcing you to do it. I am inviting anyone who wishes to show me. And if they can show me something that is beyond the bounds of reason, then I will follow them as a student and learn whatever cosmic lesson they have to teach to me and the world.

By the way, I am not lazy. I find my own truth through philosophy as well and a large portion of my time is spent reading.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2599190 - 04/24/04 11:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

look man, your a kind soul, and i appologize for being so mean tonight, but when you dont take the time to understand my point of view, you just look like a prick to me.

want an example of prickness, ok here:

you say: "I don't desire the ability to astrally project, buddy. Therefore I will not practice it"

then you say "'Find the truth for myself?' That is what I'm trying to do. "

i say...you need to stop lookin to others for truth, when you can find it for yourself, IN yourself. but how do u expect to find out if you have no desire to see for yourself?

you see, it is much easier to sit here and make me look like the bad guy because i dont let the little babies get their way, im making them find out on their own, that is the best way, and really the ONLY one true method of convincing yourself that the shit is no joke.

and also this:

you say: "if you are going to go on a public message board and make claims to telepathy or something, then you should be prepared to back up those claims"

i say, when did i ever say i come to prove these things to everyone? i have spoken of how to do it, as to help YOU have the backbone to back up what i say to yourselves. if you do not want to, then oh well for u, there are those on here that do. I am not here to prove anything, but i can help you prove what i have found to yourselves.

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2599203 - 04/24/04 11:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey Kottonmouth, seriously, if you don't want to go around proving to everybody how you can astral project, then why bother mentioning it to an audience like us ie THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET?!?!?!?!?

If you were confident in your magic abilities and honestly didn't feel like you had anything to prove to anybody, you wouldn't be posting here about them UNLESS your goal was to enlighten all of us lazy non-magical mortal beings (I'm totally open to this btw). If you've got nothing to prove, then don't step up in the first place.

There are unbelievable things out there that, though scientifically verifiable, aren't worth bringing up because I don't feel like I have anything to prove to you guys, so I don't mention it. Simple.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2599221 - 04/25/04 12:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wasn't specifically talking about you when I was talking about backing up claims. I was speaking broadly to a collection of other people who have done such things. As a gesture of good faith, I would be willing to learn whatever you know about astral projection if you are willing to teach me.

Believe me, I have had more than my fair share of 'supernatural experiences' including but not limited to telepathic contact with a cat while tripping and having what I thought was God speak to me while on DPT. But I try to maintain a mindset that allows me to interact with these experiences while keeping both eyes open, as it were.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2599408 - 04/25/04 12:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

your missing the point in what i have said, totally stuck on your own perspective.

to say that the obe is a magic abilitly is like saying snoring is a magic ability. everyone does it. even though they may not realize they do.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2599809 - 04/25/04 03:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Are you talking about Astral Projection? You can't see who you don't know? Well, it isn't any hair off my back if you can't prove your ability.



i can...but why? you seem pretty undeserving. the next step is reserved for those who are willing to listen and understand. you think you got all the answers, you don't qualify to learn. you are what you are.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2599813 - 04/25/04 03:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Well if you say that, then you shouldn't simulteneously make claims to the ability to astrally project. I'm totally serious, if you can astrally project I would rather have you use it for good in the world than keep it all to yourself (which I think is selfish). Use it to take Bush out of office or something.



changing the future for your own benefit.....that's selfish!


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2599819 - 04/25/04 03:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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you can't see who you don't know




bullshit. you CAN. you arent drawn to people by knowing their bodies face. you are drawn to their "vibe", their..."shine", their SOUL, THE REAL THEM. You dont need to know swami to go visit him, all u need to do is read his posts.

im so sorry for getting pissed, but damnit, im tired of this "prove it, prove it, do this my way, let me get my way which wont even do it anyways even if you can because i always got a contradicting answer for "how" things happen".

Did someone come visit me????? hell naw, i found out for myself, even though i thought it was complete bullshit, i found out myself. So guess what bro, DO THE SAME, and like the way its gonna be.

Maybe someday someone will feel sorry for you and they will visit you and tell u of it, if they dont mind getting shit on that is. But i will not stand for it.



no you can't. if you have no consious recollection of someone and don't know where to find them, you won't. life is built on fact and fantasy discriminate with care.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2599822 - 04/25/04 03:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like a feeble attempt to turn your lack of phenomenon-shattering power into a childish insult. Whether you want to teach me or not is irrelevant. I simply wanted a demonstration. But considering you can't even differentiate between example and teaching, I will accept your oh-so-polite declination. And if not to demonstrate it for me, then for someone else who would be willing to corroborate your claim.

Once again, if you are going to make a claim on a public forum, be prepared to back it up or you will obviously encounter people who want to know if you are the real thing. Instead of creating some sort of mysterious, spiritual guru persona, if I am so insignificant to you, then why don't you put me in my place? Put me in my place by showing everyone your power.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2599825 - 04/25/04 03:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)





changing the future for your own benefit.....that's selfish!




Wow, I was not aware that one's current actions don't influence the future. You are so wise, master faelr. Wait, don't post a reply you might accidentally change the future.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2599831 - 04/25/04 03:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You're a Bush supporter aren't you... :mad2:  But in all seriousness.  As a master of psychology I will now expose your own intentions to you.  You believe you can astrally project.  You have tied up some unknown quantity of time reading about it and or practicing it.  You then cannot perform it for others.  You feel like you are being cornered and this combined with your inability to perform causes you to lash out in an attempt to place the blame or burden of evidence on the 'nasty, mean old skeptic'.  You don't need to stand for it if you don't want.

Edit:  I don't desire the ability to astrally project, buddy.  Therefore I will not practice it.



liar! you are no master of psychology! if you were a "master of psychology," as you so elequently put it, you'd have little more insight on how egotism works. you let your ego run wild and you also assume way over the legal limit. please stop with this, i'm right your wrong bull, you won't learn until you realise that you know nothing! you don't believe...well taunting others about their beliefs isn't going to help your path any.....you sound quite christian!:lol: so why do you think you do it? mr. master of psychology?


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2599840 - 04/25/04 03:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Sounds like a feeble attempt to turn your lack of phenomenon-shattering power into a childish insult. Whether you want to teach me or not is irrelevant. I simply wanted a demonstration. But considering you can't even differentiate between example and teaching, I will accept your oh-so-polite declination. And if not to demonstrate it for me, then for someone else who would be willing to corroborate your claim.

Once again, if you are going to make a claim on a public forum, be prepared to back it up or you will obviously encounter people who want to know if you are the real thing. Instead of creating some sort of mysterious, spiritual guru persona, if I am so insignificant to you, then why don't you put me in my place? Put me in my place by showing everyone your power.



feeble use of power. i'm no guru but thanx for the complement. you wouldn't be able to learn....your to self involved. people need alot more viable proof when there beliefs are shatterd. also psychology 101


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2599844 - 04/25/04 03:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well obviously you are not the Master of Sarcasm either; otherwise you would have seen it. Also, "eloquently".

I do it because I am extremely sick tonight and I'm grumpy. Aside from that, it wasn't unprovoked. I also get grumpy when others do not understand how to hold a proper, organized argument.

I got an A in Psychology 101. What about you? If you say that I can never understand your mysterious power, then I would venture that you would be unable to comprehend a work of academic philosophy.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2599852 - 04/25/04 03:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

bert you not going to convince anyone that their beliefs are wrong.
you don't like how they think, fine! don't bagder them about it....if you came here with an honest opinion then fine! we understand your point, you don't beleive, it's not hard to see that! whats really hard to see is, that you'd come onto this message board to ask a question? just to give co-comment with your synical retort...sarcasm :wink:
i hope you don't treat you friends with the same respect.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2599858 - 04/25/04 03:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This is a forum for discussion. I am trying to further the discussion of the topic, albeit to little avail. I began all of this with a genuine interest in Astral Projection but was quickly shot down. I am still waiting here patiently for someone to come forth with evidence. Whether you want to provide it or not, I do not care anymore because you are only provoking me further and I don't need this right now. So don't bother replying unless you've got astral projection to show me. Otherwise, stop clogging up the thread when someone else might do me the courtesy(hopefully in much less rude a manner) Good day sir.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2599872 - 04/25/04 03:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i am what i am. i have feeling we're more a like than you think. :smirk:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2599878 - 04/25/04 03:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

By the way check your ratings from yesterday and you'll see that I genuinely came in good faith. Although somehow things have, regrettably, soured.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2599886 - 04/25/04 03:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you know what i think sucks about online forums. you can't see the way a person is expressing their opinon. sometimes, i believe that's how perspectives are misread.:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2599901 - 04/25/04 03:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think you guys need to share a bong rip or two and have done with it.  You both have waffled back and forth at being civil and churlish.  Kiss and make up, for God's sake, and mine.  :grin:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Frog]
    #2599905 - 04/25/04 03:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah bert blow out a bong rip and i'll astraly inhale.:lol:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: faelr]
    #2599936 - 04/25/04 03:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I would but I have a quickly rising fever I need to attend to with a vomit and a sleep. Goodnight guys, sorry this whole thread got waylaid. When I get better we'll smoke and have a better discussion unhampered by my sickened status.


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2599962 - 04/25/04 04:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

your damn right we will!:lol:
get well soon!:headbang::headbang:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2600026 - 04/25/04 04:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

im so sorry for getting pissed,
No you are not, but have once again showed us your true nature.

damnit, im tired of this "prove it, prove it,
I only ask for proof when people first make the claim that they can demonstrate some paranormal power. Why is that unreasonable?

do this my way, let me get my way which wont even do it anyways even if you can because i always got a contradicting answer for "how" things happen".
My answers don't contradict each other unlike many others whose own views are inconsistent. And I have never made an excuse for any test. Not one person has even come close so saying that I "might change my story" doesn't even apply. We can repeat the test and I will first send a picture to a generally respected skeptic and believer so that the possibility of me changing anything will be moot.

let me get my way
Who else here makes an effort to bring these mysteries to light instead of swapping stories? Who risks their money on their beliefs beside me? Create your own test, but unless you get external verification it will remain just a story. All of us are error-prone and subject to faulty interpretation which is why other must be brought in to the equation. This is basic and has nothing to do with any "Swami method". How are we communicating right now? And how did it come about? By sharing and testing hypotheses on electron flow and thousands of other theories.

Maybe someday someone will feel sorry for you and they will visit you and tell u of it, if they dont mind getting shit on that is. But i will not stand for it.
So you will violate the S&P rules and throw a tantrum?


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: bert]
    #2600030 - 04/25/04 04:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry you're sick, and no one will post until you're better.  :grin:


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2600089 - 04/25/04 05:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Let me explain something kottonmouth

emotions are GODS but Lord (the God, God) is the cause of emotions

God is pure silence.
but he is the cause of every emotion and he only wishes
love and compassion to all nothing negative.

what comes first the emotion or the silence?

Silence respects people.If you leave someone alone you have the greatest love for them. Its just like saying i am not worthy of you.
This is what god has done he has sacrificed his entire being to all of us. He gives everyone all the love in the universe. (and even more then you could possibly comprehend).

He gives us mind to generate any thought OUR CHOICE. etc etc etc

When you have pure love for everything the soul shows it self
(like kotton mouth said) the essence of the being is love
and thats how you see it. Because you are it.
YOU KNOW IT.

does that clear anything up...

but kotton mouth you shouldnt lose yourself in anger.
Anger is a violent sea of insanity constantly bombarding us with confusion and clouding our perception.

love is a sea totally calm never disturbed , anger has non effect on it. But love has effect on anger.

And why hate kottonmouth for it, he is not the negative force.The waves of Anger consumed him, ignorance intercepted, do not throw more negativeness at him, show acception and forgive his mindless actions, pray for his enlightment do not send him into the cold dark night.

if he lost the contest thats up to him to get over but dont result to anger. Anger is the rollercoaster of satan.

let equality be restored.

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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: ]
    #2600093 - 04/25/04 06:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sorry... i posted it twice


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: OOISI]
    #2601501 - 04/25/04 05:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

kotton, faeler

anyone want to move in togther and practice hardcore for the next ten years, come back and darth vader some poeple?

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i personally believe that a vast majority of the poeple will only believe it as it kills thems. its evol intent


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: Magus]
    #2601733 - 04/25/04 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i'm a little cloudy on what exactly astral projection is. i thought it was something different than what you all are talking about.

when i was younger i would be lying in my bed and i could make it so that i felt like i was rocking back and forth...like there was no up or down. it would only last a few seconds before i couldn't control it anymore. i was able to do this on command while lying in my bed but i was still awake.

when i saw another post about astral projection my memory snapped back to when i used to do that as a little kid and i tried again but i wasn't very good at it. it was way shorter and less intense.

anybody know what this is called? is it astral projection? i also used to dream lucidly when i was younger...i try and try but i don't anymore even though i have a lot of dreams...usually every night.

i think i dream a lot because i'm a light sleeper(i usually wake up if somebody is moving around the room in the morning)...so whenever i hit REM i'm very susceptible to wake up and remember the dream. can anybody tell me if this makes sense?


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Re: Astral Projection--- for real? [Re: OOISI]
    #2602046 - 04/25/04 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i know man, i agree with all u have said, thank you. i know i shouldnt get angry. that is why i appologized, because anger ISNT my true nature, it isnt any of our true natures. Our true nature is always going to be LOVE. Also no one sends me into a rage but MYSELF, so even though people are tossing negativity at me, its up to me to blow it away with love and not let it consume me, thats why i was sorry, becuase i know all too well that i was in the wrong tossing it back like a fool.

TODAY, hey man i dont know if it was a type of out of body or not, id have to hear more of what it was like. As i sit here right now i can feel my soul radiate, it could of just been you feeling your soul. I feel it on shrooms too while laying in bed, you can feel the soul radiating/pulsating in your body. maybe thats all it was, but you said you thought instantly back to that point of time when u were a kid, so it very well could be an obe u used to have, or atleast the beginning of one. if you ever remember having dreams in your room or in your house as a kid, most likely it was an out of body.

oh yeah, hey faelr, you can too visit people you have not physically met, we are all ONE, just from you posting on this very board you leave your presence, thats all one needs to pick up on to be drawn to you, but you can deny it all you want to, its your own burden...like you said man "its all about the BELIEFS"...yours seem to be limiting your ability.


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    #2602400 - 04/25/04 10:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well, whatever it was it was cool...i'm gonna see if i can do it tonight!

about a month ago i had a dream that i was punching something and it really felt like i hit something...when i woke up my knuckles were scraped up...i had punched the wall during my sleep. it was really weird...but also quite cool.


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