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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Swami]
    #686786 - 06/18/02 08:17 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:

and from OracleofDelphi:
I had VERY accurate visions of angles of my roof that were confirmed by a Roofe a few years later.

So let me get this straight, one can identify some physical objects while ATing like the design of a roof, but not the design of a playing card? I can't wait to hear the dance-around on this!




Swami, I wil not try to explain this to ya, because I myself dont know how it is possible.
My 'experience' with AP is very hazy. As a child, I thought projection was normal. I did not read books on it, trying to 'test' my abilities.

I'm of the School of Ripleys, 'Believe it or Not' - But dont discount it cause You cant/wont/dont do it.
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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Anonymous]
    #686949 - 06/18/02 09:52 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I'm from the Astral Pulse Forums where someone posted asking one of us to prove the OBE by travelling to his house and identifying a mysterious object. Not surprisingly you know little of the Astral - that is not an insult, but what you ask is something incredibly difficuilt even for very experienced projectors (of which I am not).

It has been attempted to be proven in lab experiments where a number is placed above the person on the wall and out of eye-reach. The person then projects into the room and tries to read the number. It has not been proven this method as of yet, however one subject did report seeing another person in the corridor (which was out of eye-shot and ear-shot). This person was infact the wife of one of the overseers who came to say hi to her husband.

The main reason I'm posting here is because I can relate to your experiences. It was an intense dex trip which made me re-read the dex FAQ and notice that some people could actually induce themselves to go out of body without drugs. As I have always used drugs cautiously and didn't want to rely on them for OBEs this interested me and I looked into it. I'm sure you have had similar trips - shrooms are usually not as potent as dex or salvia (another strong OBE inducing drug) however many of you have probably had experience with other drugs and been out of body.

I urge you to look into it if it interests you, don't sit around demanding proof and criticizing those who are interested in expanding their minds.

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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Ashfo]
    #687027 - 06/18/02 10:39 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Ashfo: I urge you to look into it if it interests you, don't sit around demanding proof and criticizing those who are interested in expanding their minds.

You've got to be fucking joking, right?
I heard about some guy who drilled holes into his head to "aerate his brain" which would supposedly make him smarter or "expand his mind". His mind wasn't expanded, but his knowledge of a hospital was. Not thinking critically put him there... but you're right, who am I to question his beliefs?
Not that you'll be subject to such an extreme, but I think you can see my point:
it is actually possible for you to be wrong. (not morally wrong... just incorrect)

Unless it was proven that "aerating" one's brain will expand one's mind, I won't support anyone who attempts such a ridiculous feat (I might not anyways, but I would recognize the concept if it were correctly proven). This goes the same for Astral Projection. Don't take it personally, I'm not calling you a liar per se... I just think you misinterpreted an "experience" (at least).


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Sclorch]
    #687237 - 06/19/02 02:51 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Sclorch: Doing Astral Projecting/Out of Body Experiences does not including drilling holes in the head.. Ever heard of meditation? OBE is some kind of similar experience yet in another form for other purposes.

You dont actually do anything physically to yourself and cant be hurt or damaged.

So trying OBE will at the worst only be that you are not able to do it.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: shaganoz]
    #687261 - 06/19/02 03:19 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

there is a difference between Astral Projection, Remote Viewing, and good ol' OBEs.
Teachers/Books/BB seem to lack a consensus of terminology in these matters; this does not make things easier...

the Astral plane is a war zone.
there are REAL dangers.

draw a pentagram, and walk through it...

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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Middleman]
    #687276 - 06/19/02 03:32 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Yes there is difference. As I know its like this:

Astral Projection: When you project out of body into some other astral plane/dimension. Maybe this is what dreams are

OBE: When you project out of body, but in this physical world. Like when you go out of body and find yourself in your room, its an OBE

Remote Viewing: When you have abbility to see whats happening somewhere else then where you are physically, but still you feel your physical body and might be able to communicate and move it. Unlike OBE's and AP where body is more in a sleep condition.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: shaganoz]
    #687320 - 06/19/02 04:19 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Well this forum turns always into the same guacamole:
Prove it, disprove it, I am right you are wrong, na na na na na I am sick of it
All of the people that stated that they had an oobe, (my self include it) please state to the others ones that we are crazy, delusional and that we make things up. Are you happy now!
Well can we continue with this (totally made up topic) because I am crazy and I like talking to my crazy brothers, about our crazy psychotic nightly episodes.

Every thing that I post makes no sense, every thing that happens to me has no scientific proof, the only scientific proof about all events in my life is that I am mentally ill.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Sclorch]
    #687438 - 06/19/02 06:00 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

hey sclorch
In reply to:

I heard about some guy who drilled holes into his head to "aerate his brain" which would supposedly make him smarter or "expand his mind". His mind wasn't expanded, but his knowledge of a hospital was.



its called trepanning
http://www.trepan.com/
some people


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Anonymous

Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: LOBO]
    #687522 - 06/19/02 07:22 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Hello I am crazy and delusional. Oh yeah and a non-critical thinker. Anyway..

I was under the impression that Astral Projection and OOBEs were the same thing? They both involve leaving the body and entering into the astral realm. Maybe what I have experienced was astral projections and not an OOBE? I don't know.. then again, like I stated before.. as a child I often found myself floating above my body after waking up.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: mr crisper]
    #688204 - 06/19/02 01:33 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

LOBO- I have no problem with you talking crazy... just do it in the insane forum, kay?

mr crisper- thanks for the link... really amusing. They call psilocybin, mescaline, and LSD "psychovitamins"! hehe


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Sclorch]
    #688792 - 06/19/02 07:14 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

To all practicing, experienced, master OBE'ers, AT'ers, etc., I have a question/semi test for you fellas to try out. Stephen LaBerge made numerous techniques and advances in the field of lucid dreaming(being aware that you're dreaming). In the Lucid Dreaming FAQ(from the Lucidity Institute) it says one way to test if you're awake or dreaming is to attempt to turn on light switches. For some reason, in the dream state, it is impossible to switch lights on/off. As well, another clue is to pick up any object with writing on it, read its text, look away and then read it again. The words will have changed and is an indication that you're dreaming. If OBE, AP, etc. is infact the "real deal" and not dream variations, these tasks should be a piece of cake and I'd say a sufficient beginning to further examine their merits. Maybe y'all should simultaneously OBE to any of the skeptics houses one night, flick their bedroom lights on and off repeatively while rereading some object found in the room to verify it's not word-shifting.

Just imagine what would happen if pedophilies were able to have OBE's and spent their lives traveling to the showers of little boys bathing, scarey!!! I guess it'd lead to an increase in voyeurism and a decrease in actual fucking, maybe that wouldn't be so bad.

Peace folks.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Sclorch]
    #689577 - 06/20/02 04:51 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Well this is the spirituality forum.
In a spiritually forum you exchange ideas about the spirit.

Spirit: 1 vital animating essence of a person or animal; soul. (hum.....) 2 ghost (Ghosts..... huu huuu) from the dictionary.

Spirit, is there any scientific proof of it's existence?
Absolutely not.
Can you measure or weight the spirit?
No
According to you guys if can not prove that the spirit exist, just like an oobe, and I quote you "one word: bullshit", the sprit has to be crazy talk.
So I am in the right forum, is you who are in the wrong place you should go to skeptic forum.
An less you are crazy and you just don't know it yet

And I challenge you to prove me that the spirit exist, lets say $10K


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: LOBO]
    #689732 - 06/20/02 06:55 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Well put Lobo


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: ]
    #691577 - 06/20/02 11:02 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Lobo lobo lobo....
You only used ONE definition of spirituality... the one concerned with supernatural phenomena. Convenient that you didn't opt for the others:
-of or relating to sacred matters (I haven't heard anyone calling aliens sacred yet, but...)
-concerned with religious values (funny how YOU don't really cling to this one either, but this one is at least arguable)

Since spirituality is tied with PHILOSOPHY in this forum, I think these definitions of spirit would cohere better:

"One simple, undivided, active being- as it perceives ideas it is called the understanding, as it produces or otherwise operates about them it is called the will." - George Berkeley

"Awareness, intelligence, recollection. It requires no dogmas."
-George Santayana

"Not a thing apart... it is in every thought and every word and every act."
-Benjamin N. Cardozo


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: Sclorch]
    #691705 - 06/21/02 03:49 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Sclorch, sclorch, sclorch, what did you expect from one that had an oobe.
Just because it is not in your spectrum of experience, does not mean, it does not exist.
I don't talk about aliens, because I never experience them, even thou I find them hard to believe, I don't go denying them nor accepting them I just keep and open mind.
Because you no what, I have been proven wrong before.
So I only talk about things that I have some experience.
And if you don't want to believe in oobe, that's fine but why you want to convert us into your mold of thinking.
Are you a Jehovah witness or some thing?


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: LOBO]
    #694404 - 06/22/02 04:03 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Got them on my door today. (Jehovas.)
They suck.

They say we go to hell if we dont do what they say to be true, with no methods on getting any evidence. I need to know from experience not from words.

I got my experience on the spiritual from OBEs among other things. I know some things, some things I dont know, and many things I wonder. But I dont believe in what has not been experienced. There are ways to experience, and then know, Sometimes you still wonder though :P


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: shaganoz]
    #975525 - 10/19/02 10:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

why do you want to leave your body prematurely? Don't you think that you will have plenty of time to be out of your body when all is said and done? I'll bet you are one of those people who went out and read lord of the rings so they could find out what is going to happen in the next movie. I am too. Bu t I think in this case I am going to just enjoy the time I have in my body.

The new LOTR is gonna rock by the way. Dec 17!! I can't wait.


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: ]
    #975755 - 10/20/02 12:27 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I find it far more interesting and convincing when a person can spell words correctly when trying to convey an idea.  To me, that is exciting!

But hey, that's just me.  :smirk:

Cheers, 


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Re: Learning to go out of the body (without drugs) [Re: ]
    #975835 - 10/20/02 01:12 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Comments like that make me realize that I don't want to become a message board junkie.


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