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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1045537 - 11/12/02 05:01 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Circuit Eight: The Non-Local Quantum Circuit
Also called the Metaphysiological Circuit, this type of consciousness involves recognizing the model as a model and proceeding to escape the model itself. For instance, the circuits we have been discussing theoretically are based in the brain; however, in out-of-body experiences (OOBE's), consciousness appears to escape the confines of the nervous system completely and operate independently of it. The OOBE -- sometimes triggered by very large doses of LSD or ketamine, various yogic practices, shamanic techniques, and sometimes occuring spontaneously -- is one of many liberation-of-consciousness phenomena which point ultimately to the type of experience variously known as union with all consciousness, communion with the Cosmic Mind, Oneness with God, etc.
Circuit Eight experience may best be explained by Bell's Theorem, which demonstrates the impossibility of isolated systems in a universe where each and every particle is constantly in 'instantaneous' communication with every other. 'The Whole System is a Whole System,' in other words. However, Special Relativity says that energy cannot travel faster than light, so what medium carries this 'instantaneous' communication? Dr. Edward Harris Walker says it is 'consciousness'; Dr. Jack Sarfatti states that it is 'information' and explains his theory with the following metaphor: If the whole universe can be likened to a mega-computer, then the sub-quantum realm is composed of mini-mini-computers. The hardware of each computer (universe, individual brain, sub-quantum mechanisms, etc.) is local in space and time. However, the software is non-local, both spatially and temporally. Since information is not energy but is what orders energy, there is no conflict with Special Relativity.

In any case, encounters of the Ultimate kind seem practically beyond description. Words appear completely inadequate; in Wilson's opinion, perhaps Beethoven said it best of all in the fourth movement to his Ninth Symphony.

Circuit Eight Application
Language typically proves inadequate for describing non-local phenomena, but there are some helpful methods of viewing Universe through a non-local perspective. One most rewarding technique is focusing first on one's own heartbeat, then expanding the focus to include a similar heart or pulse beating in unison within every human heart, every animal heart, then merging with the pulsings of plant life, and so on down to the slow, thunderous pulse of the earth itself and out as far into the cosmos as imaginable, linking with other planets, stars, quasars, etc. The scope of the imagination is the only limiting factor. This exercise, performed often and vividly, is a great way to feel connectedness with Universe. Empathy seems to be a vital key to opening up Circuit Eight; therefore, exercises involving perceiving events/emotions simultaneously from the vantage points of several different people at once are highly useful. As links are forged more readily between people who share an intimate bond, reverent sex is an excellent opportunity for expanding the awareness to include multiple sensations.
Since Circuit Eight is non-local in time as well as in space, such time-bridging abilities as precognition and retrocognition come into play. Often, precognition is a matter of trusting your own perceptions more than anything else, rather than dismissing them as 'only' imagination or fantasy. Indeed, neither the future nor the past can be described as fixed, since each person's reality differs so widely, and many possibilities in the running may or may not materialize at any given point. With activation of this circuit, comes the increasing awareness that various realities are more or less arbitrary and equally valid depending on the framework being used, a logical progression from the metaprogramming discoveries of Circuit Seven. Finally, the most obvious indicator of Circuit Eight in operation is an expansive, 'cosmic' feeling that defies description but feels utterly marvelous.



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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1045543 - 11/12/02 05:11 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)


why not relate with your own worded structure?


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1045549 - 11/12/02 05:15 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah RAW is great but surely his whole point is to use your own mind? Dont really see the relevance to the original question either. Im only interested in projections in consensual reality.



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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1045551 - 11/12/02 05:18 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Also if you have read Quantum Psychology you will know that RAW says he wrote alot of nonsense in Cosmic Trigger - Sadly he doesnt say which bits he considers to be nonsense! :confused: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Monkah]
    #1045553 - 11/12/02 05:20 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I think that that is Timothy Leary outlining the circuit, I just posted that because I thought it was an excellent read and wanted to share it with you guys.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1045563 - 11/12/02 05:32 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

cheers! :grin: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Monkah]
    #1048335 - 11/13/02 02:42 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Monkah....You ask what the point of asral projection is. I would say it would be for fun, and to learn.

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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1048367 - 11/13/02 03:03 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Goblue: You should not disbeleive something, if you merely can not understand it. It is weak to think logically, becuase the human mind will never fully understand logic. I'f I told you someone could climb a brick wall like spider man, would you beleive me?? Normally, most people dont. They are thinking logically. The human mind is only capible of thinking to a certain degree of logic. Only the degree of logid that they understand. Logically it is possable to climb a brick wall, and can be proven. But most people with think it is logically impossable. This brings us to what freak said:Anything is possable with enough will power. Will power alone will not let us climb the brick wall, but is a gateway to the disipline, and comitment it takes to study, and practice enough ninjitsu, do be able to do it. It is will power which let us manupulate the matter around us, to learn to fly. Willpower was our gateway to learn to fly, and we have. What would of been logically imossable to us 200 years ago, is childs play now. You may argue: well, we mean human flight without an aircraft, but does it really make a different. We can preject our senses to a different location, and pic up the energy, and know what going on in an area a long way away simple my turning on the telivision. I may have trailed of the original subject cuz I am really stoned, but am having a great time doing it. Anything is possable. It is not true, but I can not be skeptical about anything becuse I do not have the right. I do not know enough. I am merely a human, I can not know, I can only guess, and try to make the peices fit. I will never fully understand anything.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Glacius]
    #1048514 - 11/13/02 04:12 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Im skeptical about everything and thats my right! :smirk: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1048556 - 11/13/02 04:37 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

heh


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: joeshitragpicker]
    #1050539 - 11/13/02 10:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What used to be considered magic is now considered ordinary.

Just think what it would be like down the road.

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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1050792 - 11/13/02 11:59 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I made a startling discovery.... one in which all things are initally composed of light.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1050804 - 11/14/02 12:02 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Everything is composed of atoms and particles. Energy is just moving particles (light).


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Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1051593 - 11/14/02 04:49 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I can dig it.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Glacius]
    #1054416 - 11/15/02 02:37 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I have to disagree with the statement "It is weak to think logically, because the human mind will never fully understand logic", and wonder how you arrived at that conclusion.  I?ll bet I can guess:  since logic has been unable to prove the existence of anything we?re talking about on these boards (souls, astral projections, etc), you have arrived at the conclusion that the mind does not fully understand logic.  What if these things can?t be proven because they don?t exist?  That is another possibility that doesn?t defy logic.

If you told me someone could climb a brick wall like spider man, I wouldn't say it is impossible, I would say that I didn?t know how it could be done, and if you knew of a way, I would like you to enlighten me so that I will believe it.  If you really wanted me to believe it is possible for people to climb walls, you would tell me how.  If you didn?t want to tell me how, then why would you want to argue that it can be done?  Similar logic applies here.  None of this stuff has ever been proven.  I'm not saying it is impossible, but I'm simply saying that it illogical to INSIST it is the truth, without being able to explain the logic behind the conclusion.  Oh ya, I just remembered the human mind doesn?t fully understand logic.  But wait a minute!  If the mind doesn?t fully understand logic, then how can you reach such a strong conclusion about this, or ANYTHING else, for that matter?  :shocked: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1054722 - 11/15/02 05:31 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

A good arguement. I am not insisting anything, just stating what I know. Or what I dont know maybe?? I dont know if I can even make sense of this anymore. Did that make sense?? I am going to go try and project now:)


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Glacius]
    #1055679 - 11/15/02 02:23 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks!  I'm not insisting anything is true either.  I am simply very interested in what people have to say on these boards, but more importantly, I am interested in learning about how they arrived at their conclusions.  I'm not ruling out a mushroom trip as a way to learn of the unknown, but so far, it hasn't worked for me.  Maybe I need to go on a level 4 or 5 trip?  Would that help???  :smirk: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1055764 - 11/15/02 02:45 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I would suggest not trying to find something you dont know with mushrooms. I suggest finding out something about yourself that you already know, just dont realize. Kind of like a personal enlightenment:)


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