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OfflineGazzBut
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Any experienced astral projectors around?
    #1042611 - 11/11/02 07:27 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I am interested in hearing from people who can consistently achieve oobe's/ Astral projection. If you can, have you ever been able to provide information about the objective world which would otherwise have been impossible for you to know?


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1043333 - 11/11/02 02:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

have you ever been able to provide information about the objective world which would otherwise have been impossible for you to know?

Prepare for a non-answer answer.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1043348 - 11/11/02 02:26 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I am pretty darn handy with an overhead projector!


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1043357 - 11/11/02 02:28 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Prepare for a non-answer answer.

*Straps on helmet, boots, gloves* Ready when you are!


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Swami]
    #1043376 - 11/11/02 02:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I came halfway out of my body before. Very wierd.

The only way for me to discribe it was 'a consious dream'. Alot of strange sounds and stuff, very static-like air, I could hear radio transmissions and stuff. I was moving my arms, but I also knew I couldn't be because my body wasn't moving. I suppose those arms were my astral arms. Probably the wierdist experience I've had .......and I wasn't on drugs at the time.





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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Murex]
    #1044442 - 11/11/02 09:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

that shit happened to me, i started floating out. the more i think about it i felt like i was floating out of myself. but i hit this ceiling in my grandmahs house in my dream, that dream fucked me up so much i woke up with a headache felt like i had been out of time everything i believed about this world and conciousness was wiped away.. i went somewhere else. before i had this dream i remember looking at my computer in my "dream" and seeing the light shoot off of it and melt away but no time was present almost like a void. This brings me to want to open a thread on the possible effects of traumatic physcial events early on in life. thats the only thing i can say about astral projection though if that qualifies Along with Murex here :smile: lol  :laugh:


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1044703 - 11/11/02 10:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

something you might want to try is salvia and shrooms...it tore me out of my physical body and onto the astral plane


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1044708 - 11/11/02 10:36 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It's easy as 1-2-3...just look at my sig and see......


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1044719 - 11/11/02 10:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

hey.... thats no astral projection, thats David Copperfield!


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Murex]
    #1044728 - 11/11/02 10:43 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I think Gazbutt raizes a very good question. ?Have you ever been able to provide information about the objective world which would otherwise have been impossible for you to know?? So far, no positive answers.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1045181 - 11/12/02 01:16 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

18 months ago we had the famous Swami Challenge with a $500 prize (silver Hopi Indian bracelet made by Sun Bear.) Contestants were allowed to use remote-viewing, telepathy, clairvoyance and astral projection to identify the mystery object. Dosing on shrooms was also valid to enhance your viewing pleasure.

The contest ran for 60 days and no one even got remotely (pun intended) close.

There is your answer. As a famous bard once said: "The proof is in the pudding."


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Swami]
    #1045189 - 11/12/02 01:19 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Perfect example, Swami!  :laugh: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1045198 - 11/12/02 01:22 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think I can give you a good response since I am not very experienced. However I am getting a lot better, I have at least one a week now. I don't get scared anymore at all when it happens, and I can only seem to enter them from a dream. I never seem to project into this universe though, I always end up into a very similar universe, or a completely different one. My best astral projection I remember seeing these people dancing, they might have been gnomes, they weren't normal people. They were holding hands and walking in a line. There wasn't any gravity holding them down, and they were walking in all directions, this includes multiple dimensions. I had a feeling of love, compassion, and understanding.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Swami]
    #1045204 - 11/12/02 01:24 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I came to the conclusion (after my experience) that there IS something else out there, beyond our little reality. I tried waking myself up by trying to lift my head up with my hands only to realize my real hands are on my chest. My hands and arms were there, just not physically there. My head kept getting 'smeared' by my hands. I can't really explain it all that well, but it defanately allowed me to confirm that there is something else beyond our physical bodies.



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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Murex]
    #1045212 - 11/12/02 01:26 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It is all very interesting Murex, but without any external confirmation, there is no way to state that your experience is anything but an internal mental state similar in some ways to dreaming.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Swami]
    #1045215 - 11/12/02 01:27 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Why would anybody want to use their precious time in the astral, trying to prove to you that it exists? Im more intersted in learning about the nature of the universe and progressing spiritually when oob.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #1045223 - 11/12/02 01:30 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)


It's pretty frickin hard to show real evidence of something like that. It's basically impossable.



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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #1045227 - 11/12/02 01:31 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

...and schlorch knew this response was coming ahead of time. How prescient!

Prepare for a non-answer answer.



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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Murex]
    #1045229 - 11/12/02 01:33 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What?


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Swami]
    #1045238 - 11/12/02 01:35 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

:confused:

Oh, you got me there Swami.  :wink:

I never said it was proveable, so why are you saying this?


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Murex]
    #1045244 - 11/12/02 01:36 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

"I came to the conclusion (after my experience) that there IS something else out there, beyond our little reality. I tried waking myself up by trying to lift my head up with my hands only to realize my real hands are on my chest. My hands and arms were there, just not physically there. My head kept getting 'smeared' by my hands. I can't really explain it all that well, but it defanately allowed me to confirm that there is something else beyond our physical bodies."

Of course this is, and I don't know how anyone could beleive otherwise. People in hospitals have come back from OBE's reporting events in different parts of the hospital. And since I have had an OBE I know its real, I don't need proof.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Murex]
    #1045261 - 11/12/02 01:41 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Many OBEers like postanal talk about exploring "the universe". Which one? The one in your head or the one "out there"?

Why is it ONLY in the field of metaphysics is one able to "discover" something, but unable to share it except as a personal story?


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Swami]
    #1045297 - 11/12/02 01:50 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Why is it ONLY in the field of metaphysics is one able to "discover" something, but unable to share it except as a personal story?

Because metaphsics deals with the esoteric and intangable. I'd say it's pretty tough to prove anything in such a field.

Why are we all gathered here in a spiritual board for a webpage about mushrooms?

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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Swami]
    #1045300 - 11/12/02 01:52 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

"Many OBEers like postanal talk about exploring "the universe". Which one? The one in your head or the one "out there"?"


Every aspect of my reality is within my mind. Whether it be waking life, lucid dreaming or astral projection. They are all equally real. If im learning and percieving than it is reality.






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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #1045332 - 11/12/02 02:10 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Kind of sounds like schizophrenia!  :wink: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1045353 - 11/12/02 02:21 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

as long as im happy it doesnt matter. :grin: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #1045358 - 11/12/02 02:26 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I'll definitely agree with you on that!


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1045359 - 11/12/02 02:26 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

what you people might not understand is that astral travel isn't that rare infact most of the time it happens is natural and is done in our sub conscious for example a lucid dream (if ur intending it to) could result in an oobe
and sometimes just done when your body is so tired it recharges its batteries in the astrala world , have you every been so tired but weren't able to get to sleep for example a plane trip and then suddenly awoke with a shock and a sat up straight for no reason (please dont think im crazy...) well the theory is that its because yourAstral body has actually left or floated above your physicle body and for some reason suddenly falls down into your body giving u a little shock

but as for being able to roam around the world as a metaphysicle being of sorts and recalling when your back ive heard takes quite a bit of training :smile:



 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #1045362 - 11/12/02 02:30 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

"Every aspect of my reality is within my mind. Whether it be waking life, lucid dreaming or astral projection. They are all equally real. If im learning and percieving than it is reality."

Very well put. You defined reality perfectly:)








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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1045418 - 11/12/02 03:27 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

My only experience with anything resembling OBE's was when i used to glug back benylin DM in the late 70's early 80's. i don't mean to imply here that OBE's do NOT exist outside of drug induced context in any general sense, merly that they never have for ME....outside of the aforementioned experiences with DXM....were my experiences "real"? Well at the time they "seemed" to be, in retrospect i can provide no substantial evidence nor answer to my own question.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: postanaldrip]
    #1045436 - 11/12/02 03:41 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)



astral projection is possible.
anything is with the will power.
but to prove outside of yourself that it was as real as anything else is useless
normal every day life is a projection.

there are much better things to do with your being than loose energy on astral projection.
oh but of course energy to that extent is limitless. once you plug in it will always go.
but thats not the matter at hand, its what you do with that infinite energy.
where you direct it.

my question to all of you is.
what do you get out of astral projection?


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Monkah]
    #1045465 - 11/12/02 04:08 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

"astral projection is possible"

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

"anything is (possible) with the will power"

I have yet to see someone fly with will power.

"but to prove outside of yourself that it was as real as anything else is useless"

Why is it useless?  That would be the greatest thing ever!  Maybe because proving it is impossible???

"normal every day life is a projection"

Please explain what that means.

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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1045471 - 11/12/02 04:12 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I have yet to see someone fly with will power

Hey there Blue! well the above statement COULD be linked to your inability to "SEE", in the Castenedian sense  :grin:

if you've read some of Casteneda's books you'll undertand that to which i am alluding.....if not, rest assured that it was not meant in a mean spirited way :smile: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1045492 - 11/12/02 04:27 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't take any offense at all, Freak.  In fact, I have yet to see a mean spirited post from you to anyone.  :laugh:

Although it may not seem like it, I am very open to new thoughts and ideas, but I'm also critical of ideas if they're not backed up with logic that makes sense in my mind.  I'm not familiar with the Castenadan books you talk about, but it seems to me that flying in a castenedan sense is nothing more than using one's imagination.  If people could really fly out of their body (I assume that's what we're talking about), would they be able to tell me what's in a location I specify?  If they could do that, I'd be absolutely convinced. 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1045507 - 11/12/02 04:36 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Well, for as long as I can remember,.. Ive often had feelings of rising from my body when i sleep... One thing that I find odd is that as i am rising,.. I feel a huge degree of preasure on whhatever side of my body I am laying... (us. on my back) and for some reason it really freaks meout,.. so  try to wake myself up.
One thing i have been rrying to incorporatre lately into the experience is to envision a silver cord attaced to my asral self and my physical body... and when i sart to wake up, spin in circles really fast and it usually grounds me alot better
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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Monkah]
    #1045522 - 11/12/02 04:44 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

"my question to all of you is.
what do you get out of astral projection?"


Freedom, wisdom, love.

" but to prove outside of yourself that it was as real as anything else is useless"

Im aware of that. Thats exactly why im not trying to prove anything to anybody.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1045523 - 11/12/02 04:44 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't take any offense at all, Freak. In fact, I have yet to see a mean spirited post from you to anyone.

Ssssshhhhhhhhhhh! don't let anyone see you saying that or they'll know i'm not serious when i SEEM to be attacking them :grin:

it seems to me that flying in a castenedan sense is nothing more than using one's imagination.

i'm not really qualified to respond to that as i have never really "seen" in the Castenedian sense(there was a good thread Re the Casteneda books at ye olde S & P a couple of weeks ago) From what i can recall* of "separate reality", "Journey to Ixtlan" etc, imagination or one's own personal WILL did seem to be one of the determinate factors....

If people could really fly out of their body (I assume that's what we're talking about), would they be able to tell me what's in a location I specify? If they could do that, I'd be absolutely convinced.


hehe :wink: the truth here is, Blue, i've heard about so called scientific studies done where a purported astral projectile conciousness being has been successfuly able to identify object, playing cards etc, which they "normally" would not have been able to....outside of the context of an OBE

Where these studies were done, who did them, and whether or not they adhered to the rules/dictates of scientific methodology, i really can't say. i've never been especially interested enough in OBE's to do the requisite research surrounding it....

Again Blue, i'm not even predicating that scientific knowledge, in and of itself yields the "greatest" reality value, although it is commonly accepted that IS the case........for my own part though, as in many other areas of "paranormal" research ,all i can say re OBE's is i dunno :grin:

* judicious avoidance of the word SEEN :wink:


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1045525 - 11/12/02 04:49 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)


  "astral projection is possible" 
How did you arrive at this conclusion?

because ive felt it, been through it, and become aware of the reality of it.
at least to the extent in my own reality that i feel becomes enough evidence to prove its existance.

"anything is (possible) with the will power" "
I have yet to see someone fly with will power.  '=

i was once chillin with the most insane kid i knew.
he definatly had the capacity to fly in our dense atmosphere.
we were tripping on purple monster blotter, 3 hits.
and he tried soo soo hard to fly.
with all of his might. every last bit of earthly bound energy was used.
there was nothing beyond himself holding him back.
by "himself" i mean his body.

if one really and earnestly had the intent to fly.
they would easily overcome this "self" body attachment
and just think themselfs into flying
or will yourself into visualy flying with your imagination.

i wonder if the Wright brothers had a will to fly?
they acomplished something verry verry big.
manifested through imaginative wants
filtered through scientific methods.

will power is what does anything for you,.
its your functioning gasoline.
if youve ever been extremly hung over or sick.
your will power is lost. and you have not the will to even want to stand up, go out an run around enjoying fresh air.

spirituality is gaining more energie power
sometimes concentrating it into methods like astral projection
zen is the act of being filled with this energie , as to be it, and act out of it.

"but to prove outside of yourself that it was as real as anything else is useless"

Why is it useless? That would be the greatest thing ever! Maybe because proving it is impossible???

its not completely useless. there are some wonderful things in having conections with other entities. but to stress the idea of needing to share is useless.
what im saying, is the only one you need prove too , to be right, is yourself.

  "normal every day life is a projection"

means, that what you view is a procedure of alot of componets coming together to make your vision. one major componant being your mind. alters your thoughts, your will power to be, and capacity to remember exactly what happend in those procedures while they where happening.

i will give an example.
even though i cannot alter reality directly from anyone else unless with physical nature, i can however stare blankly at a wall.
while staring at that wall i can physically control my pupils into become wider.
slowly light becomes more sensitive, even in dark.
and if i do not directly look at that light it gets brighter to the point of engulfing my whole "vision"
at first liquidy and ever moving in nature.
with will power i can directly afflict what im veiwing.
if i wanted to see a kitten. i would in this cloudy vision.
i can even travel to diferent places, do diferent things  like fly. its extendable only to the limitations ive created for myself.

but those lights are clouds.
thoughts are clouds. they pass by your perception
thoughts attrack thoughts
and will power atracks the intended
visualy looking at this cloudy structure , it can be melded into whatever desired.
all with my eyes open.
its going as far as i can physically, then imaginatively imfluencing the situation by projecting images with will power.

(verry loose description)


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: joeshitragpicker]
    #1045528 - 11/12/02 04:52 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Right, Doesnt seem to be anyone with the sort of astral prowess i was looking for. Guess Im gonna have to go into training and then I will take the Swami challenge. That cash could come in pretty handy if the offer still stands Swami! :grin:

On a serious note, there is as far as i am concerned a big difference between having an experience of "projecting" inside your own psyche to projecting your conciousness around consensual reality. I know we are all one etc I really do, I just feel that metaphor gets over used as an excuse for sloppy thinking alot of the time.

Any ideas where I might be able to find some experienced astral projectors if there arent any at the sgroomery? 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1045530 - 11/12/02 04:55 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

VIII. THE NEURO-ATOMIC CIRCUIT
Hold on to your hats and breathe deeply--this is the farthest-out that human intelligence has yet ventured.
Consciousness probably precedes the biological unit or DNA tape-loop. "Out-of-body experiences," "astral projection," contact with alien (extraterrestrial?) "entities" or with a galactic Overmind, etc., such as I've experienced, have all been reported for thousands of years, not merely by the ignorant, the superstitious, the gullible, but often by the finest minds among us (Socrates, Giordano Bruno, Edison, Buckminster Fuller, etc.). Such experiences are reported daily to parapsychologists and have been experienced by such scientists as Dr. John Lilly and Carlos Castaneda. Dr. Kenneth Ring has attributed these phenomena to what he calls, very appropriately, "the extraterrestrial unconscious."

Dr. Leary suggests that circuit VIII is literally neuro-atomic--infra, supra and meta-physiological--a quantum model of consciousness and/or a conscious model of quantum mechanics by the turned-on physicists discussed previously (Prof. John Archibald Wheeler, Saul-Paul Sirag, Dr. Fritjof Capra, Dr. Jack Sarfatti, etc.) indicates strongly that the "atomic consciousness" first suggested by Leary in "The Seven Tongues of God" (1962) is the explanatory link which will unite parapsychology and paraphysics into the first scientific empirical experimental theology in history.

When the nervous system is turned on to this quantum-level circuit, space-time is obliterated. Einstein's speed-of-light barrier is transcended; in Dr. Sarfatti's metaphor, we escape "electromagnetic chauvinism." The contelligence within the quantum projection booth IS the entire cosmic "brain," just as the micro-miniaturized DNA helix IS the local brain guiding planetary evolution. As Lao-tse said from his own Circuit VIII perspective, "The greatest is within the smallest."

Circuit VIII is triggered by Ketamine, a neuro-chemical researched by Dr. John Lilly, which is also (according to a wide-spread but unconfirmed rumor) given to astronauts to prepare them for space. High doses of LSD also produce some circuit VIII quantum awareness.

This neuro-atomic contelligence is four mutations beyond terrestrial domesticity. (The current ideological struggle is between circuit IV tribal moralists-or-collectivists and circuit V hedonic individualists.) When our need for higher intelligence, richer involvement in the cosmic script, further transcendence, will no longer be satisfied by physical bodies, not even by immortal bodies hopping across space-time at Warp 9, circuit VIII will open a further frontier. New universes and realities. "Beyond theology: the science and art of Godmanship," as Alan Watts once wrote.

It is therefore possible that the mysterious "entities" (angels and extraterrestrials) monotonously reported by circuit VIII visionaries are members or races already evolved to this level. But it is also possible, as Leary and Sarfatti more recently suggest, that They are ourselves-in-the-future.


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    #1045537 - 11/12/02 05:01 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Circuit Eight: The Non-Local Quantum Circuit
Also called the Metaphysiological Circuit, this type of consciousness involves recognizing the model as a model and proceeding to escape the model itself. For instance, the circuits we have been discussing theoretically are based in the brain; however, in out-of-body experiences (OOBE's), consciousness appears to escape the confines of the nervous system completely and operate independently of it. The OOBE -- sometimes triggered by very large doses of LSD or ketamine, various yogic practices, shamanic techniques, and sometimes occuring spontaneously -- is one of many liberation-of-consciousness phenomena which point ultimately to the type of experience variously known as union with all consciousness, communion with the Cosmic Mind, Oneness with God, etc.
Circuit Eight experience may best be explained by Bell's Theorem, which demonstrates the impossibility of isolated systems in a universe where each and every particle is constantly in 'instantaneous' communication with every other. 'The Whole System is a Whole System,' in other words. However, Special Relativity says that energy cannot travel faster than light, so what medium carries this 'instantaneous' communication? Dr. Edward Harris Walker says it is 'consciousness'; Dr. Jack Sarfatti states that it is 'information' and explains his theory with the following metaphor: If the whole universe can be likened to a mega-computer, then the sub-quantum realm is composed of mini-mini-computers. The hardware of each computer (universe, individual brain, sub-quantum mechanisms, etc.) is local in space and time. However, the software is non-local, both spatially and temporally. Since information is not energy but is what orders energy, there is no conflict with Special Relativity.

In any case, encounters of the Ultimate kind seem practically beyond description. Words appear completely inadequate; in Wilson's opinion, perhaps Beethoven said it best of all in the fourth movement to his Ninth Symphony.

Circuit Eight Application
Language typically proves inadequate for describing non-local phenomena, but there are some helpful methods of viewing Universe through a non-local perspective. One most rewarding technique is focusing first on one's own heartbeat, then expanding the focus to include a similar heart or pulse beating in unison within every human heart, every animal heart, then merging with the pulsings of plant life, and so on down to the slow, thunderous pulse of the earth itself and out as far into the cosmos as imaginable, linking with other planets, stars, quasars, etc. The scope of the imagination is the only limiting factor. This exercise, performed often and vividly, is a great way to feel connectedness with Universe. Empathy seems to be a vital key to opening up Circuit Eight; therefore, exercises involving perceiving events/emotions simultaneously from the vantage points of several different people at once are highly useful. As links are forged more readily between people who share an intimate bond, reverent sex is an excellent opportunity for expanding the awareness to include multiple sensations.
Since Circuit Eight is non-local in time as well as in space, such time-bridging abilities as precognition and retrocognition come into play. Often, precognition is a matter of trusting your own perceptions more than anything else, rather than dismissing them as 'only' imagination or fantasy. Indeed, neither the future nor the past can be described as fixed, since each person's reality differs so widely, and many possibilities in the running may or may not materialize at any given point. With activation of this circuit, comes the increasing awareness that various realities are more or less arbitrary and equally valid depending on the framework being used, a logical progression from the metaprogramming discoveries of Circuit Seven. Finally, the most obvious indicator of Circuit Eight in operation is an expansive, 'cosmic' feeling that defies description but feels utterly marvelous.



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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1045543 - 11/12/02 05:11 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)


why not relate with your own worded structure?


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    #1045549 - 11/12/02 05:15 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah RAW is great but surely his whole point is to use your own mind? Dont really see the relevance to the original question either. Im only interested in projections in consensual reality.



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    #1045551 - 11/12/02 05:18 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Also if you have read Quantum Psychology you will know that RAW says he wrote alot of nonsense in Cosmic Trigger - Sadly he doesnt say which bits he considers to be nonsense! :confused: 


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    #1045553 - 11/12/02 05:20 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I think that that is Timothy Leary outlining the circuit, I just posted that because I thought it was an excellent read and wanted to share it with you guys.


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    #1045563 - 11/12/02 05:32 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

cheers! :grin: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Monkah]
    #1048335 - 11/13/02 02:42 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Monkah....You ask what the point of asral projection is. I would say it would be for fun, and to learn.

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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1048367 - 11/13/02 03:03 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Goblue: You should not disbeleive something, if you merely can not understand it. It is weak to think logically, becuase the human mind will never fully understand logic. I'f I told you someone could climb a brick wall like spider man, would you beleive me?? Normally, most people dont. They are thinking logically. The human mind is only capible of thinking to a certain degree of logic. Only the degree of logid that they understand. Logically it is possable to climb a brick wall, and can be proven. But most people with think it is logically impossable. This brings us to what freak said:Anything is possable with enough will power. Will power alone will not let us climb the brick wall, but is a gateway to the disipline, and comitment it takes to study, and practice enough ninjitsu, do be able to do it. It is will power which let us manupulate the matter around us, to learn to fly. Willpower was our gateway to learn to fly, and we have. What would of been logically imossable to us 200 years ago, is childs play now. You may argue: well, we mean human flight without an aircraft, but does it really make a different. We can preject our senses to a different location, and pic up the energy, and know what going on in an area a long way away simple my turning on the telivision. I may have trailed of the original subject cuz I am really stoned, but am having a great time doing it. Anything is possable. It is not true, but I can not be skeptical about anything becuse I do not have the right. I do not know enough. I am merely a human, I can not know, I can only guess, and try to make the peices fit. I will never fully understand anything.


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    #1048514 - 11/13/02 04:12 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Im skeptical about everything and thats my right! :smirk: 


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    #1048556 - 11/13/02 04:37 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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    #1050539 - 11/13/02 10:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What used to be considered magic is now considered ordinary.

Just think what it would be like down the road.

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    #1050792 - 11/13/02 11:59 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I made a startling discovery.... one in which all things are initally composed of light.


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    #1050804 - 11/14/02 12:02 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Everything is composed of atoms and particles. Energy is just moving particles (light).


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    #1051593 - 11/14/02 04:49 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I can dig it.


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: Glacius]
    #1054416 - 11/15/02 02:37 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I have to disagree with the statement "It is weak to think logically, because the human mind will never fully understand logic", and wonder how you arrived at that conclusion.  I?ll bet I can guess:  since logic has been unable to prove the existence of anything we?re talking about on these boards (souls, astral projections, etc), you have arrived at the conclusion that the mind does not fully understand logic.  What if these things can?t be proven because they don?t exist?  That is another possibility that doesn?t defy logic.

If you told me someone could climb a brick wall like spider man, I wouldn't say it is impossible, I would say that I didn?t know how it could be done, and if you knew of a way, I would like you to enlighten me so that I will believe it.  If you really wanted me to believe it is possible for people to climb walls, you would tell me how.  If you didn?t want to tell me how, then why would you want to argue that it can be done?  Similar logic applies here.  None of this stuff has ever been proven.  I'm not saying it is impossible, but I'm simply saying that it illogical to INSIST it is the truth, without being able to explain the logic behind the conclusion.  Oh ya, I just remembered the human mind doesn?t fully understand logic.  But wait a minute!  If the mind doesn?t fully understand logic, then how can you reach such a strong conclusion about this, or ANYTHING else, for that matter?  :shocked: 


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Re: Any experienced astral projectors around? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1054722 - 11/15/02 05:31 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

A good arguement. I am not insisting anything, just stating what I know. Or what I dont know maybe?? I dont know if I can even make sense of this anymore. Did that make sense?? I am going to go try and project now:)


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    #1055679 - 11/15/02 02:23 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks!  I'm not insisting anything is true either.  I am simply very interested in what people have to say on these boards, but more importantly, I am interested in learning about how they arrived at their conclusions.  I'm not ruling out a mushroom trip as a way to learn of the unknown, but so far, it hasn't worked for me.  Maybe I need to go on a level 4 or 5 trip?  Would that help???  :smirk: 


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    #1055764 - 11/15/02 02:45 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I would suggest not trying to find something you dont know with mushrooms. I suggest finding out something about yourself that you already know, just dont realize. Kind of like a personal enlightenment:)


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