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OfflineMentalHygene
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Astral Projection
    #563017 - 02/25/02 10:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Recently some topics have been leading into discussion on astral projection and lucid dreaming. I have recently awakened to the idea of the astral realm and i am currently experimenting heavily with astral travel and lucidity. I just wanted to post a forum for questions, discussion, experiences and tips pertaining to the subject. Let it flow:)



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Re: Astral Projection [Re: MentalHygene]
    #563027 - 02/25/02 10:23 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I've been trying to project for a while now. I always fall asleep and it pisses me off, but usually the quality of my sleep is better so I can't really complain. Sometimes I'll go unconcious for a while and then an hour later realize that i hadn't been asleep but i wasn't awake. It's tough trying to keep yourself aware when you get so close to that sleep/wake line...


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OfflineMentalHygene
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Anonymous]
    #563086 - 02/25/02 11:37 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Have you ever heard of Robert Bruce? He has a technique called " the rope" It helps to maintain awareness while in the deep trance state. I definately have problems with staying awake sometime too, but this has helped.
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/rbruce5.html


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: MentalHygene]
    #563129 - 02/26/02 12:31 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

that's one of my problems... most of the techniques are for visualization and i can't visualize. i've tried a few other techniques that use feeling with no success. i think i'm on to something with what i'm doing now but i just need to stay determined to keep myself in the game before i "zZzZzz."


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Anonymous]
    #563140 - 02/26/02 12:46 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

i try to play it off, but I dont know how to meditate, how to lucid dream, astral project. I have not even tried. I feel lazy, and put it off. Short attention span maybe, i dont know. Any suggestions, cause im at that point where i really wanna try but need suggestions!


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Anonymous

Re: Astral Projection [Re: MentalHygene]
    #563225 - 02/26/02 02:11 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'v never heard the term astral projection before, but I try to lucid dream as much as possible and understand what im being told. Whenever i become lucid i get the warmest most welcoming feeling like i'm finaly home, and i do the most amusing thing i can think of and try to fly. I don't know if this is astral projection but onetime me and a close friend stayed up late on the phone and she told me to try to find her when i fell asleep, and i concentrated on her as i was drifting off. i felt myself lift out of my body and move across town towards her and i saw myself floating above her, but when i went to hug her something distracted me and i woke up.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: tak]
    #563288 - 02/26/02 03:15 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

It should be made clear that Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming are two seperate things.

Astral Projection is when your consciousness, or soul, actually leaves the physical body to explore the astral realm, staying attached to the body by a silver etheric cord. Astral Projection is also known as an Out-Of-Body Experience for obvious reasons.

Here are some sites dealing with Astral Projection:

Astral Projection Info
Astral Projection FAQ, Message boards, Help
Astral Voyage!
Tanega Online
Go Astral!
SpiritWeb on Projection


Lucid Dreaming is the art of becoming conscious during the dream without waking up. Enabling the individual to have all control over the dream's events.

Here are some links about Lucid Dreaming:

Lucid Dreaming FAQ
Lucid Dreaming FAQ Number 2
Lucid Dreams for all!
Lucid Dreaming by Spirit Web
Lucid Dreamer's Reference Guide
Lucid Dream Induction



That should be good for now. I'll see you all on the other side!


:heart: Love and Light! :sun: 


Edited by Anonymous (02/26/02 03:17 AM)


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Anonymous

Re: Astral Projection [Re: Anonymous]
    #563374 - 02/26/02 05:20 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Projecting From A Lucid Dream

Projecting from a lucid dream can be a difficult objective to achieve. Although it is possible to do, you are more than likely to simply dream that you have projected rather than actually do it . . .

http://www.poc-network.net/astralrealms/ld.asp


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: MentalHygene]
    #563399 - 02/26/02 05:58 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

when i was young(5-13) i could always remember my dreams and i would be lucid in about 20% of them. i'd usually just try to find a hot chick to fuck or i'd fly or something. kind of a waste, but i was to young to realize the possibilities. once i was dreaming about being at some camp with a crowd of other kids my age. i was walking through a crowd of people when i suddenly realized i was in a dream. i stopped and screamed at everyone that none of this was real. as soon as the words came out of my mouth, i was pulled up into the air and out of my dream and i woke up. i haven't had a lucid dream since. i usually don't even remember much of my dreams anymore


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: jimmy_page]
    #563401 - 02/26/02 05:59 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

A thousand times a thousand times


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: ]
    #563481 - 02/26/02 08:33 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Astral projection and lucid dreaming both different techniques/phenomena, may lead to the same place, ie the astral plane. I have no experience of either so the statement is purely intellectual. Dreams definately do not occur on the physical, if pressed to define their level of exsistance I would say they more than likely occur on the psychological plane. But what happens when lucid? I have read that to become lucid doesn't mean you will have control over you're dreams, just that you are aware you are dreaming. To be able to control events outside of the physical is either a crossover of planes (psychological/astral) or purely astral.(correct me please!)
Just a thought what plane of reality can the psychedelic experience occur?(yes I saw the thread about mushroom reality, but as there are many levels of reality it kind of makes that argument moot IMO) Can it occur on more than one?

Also when I was about 12-13 I experienced a number of paralysis dreams.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #563491 - 02/26/02 08:50 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

But what happens when lucid? I have read that to become lucid doesn't mean you will have control over you're dreams, just that you are aware you are dreaming. To be able to control events outside of the physical is either a crossover of planes (psychological/astral) or purely astral.(correct me please!)


To have awareness of is to have control over. They are one in the same.

Also when I was about 12-13 I experienced a number of paralysis dreams.


The only paralysis dreams are the ones in which you allow yourself to be paralyzed. By embracing the light there is no fear of darkness.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: ]
    #563505 - 02/26/02 09:04 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote "To have awareness of (dreams) is to have control over. They are one in the same. "

Then why is it that when awareness comes in dreams the dreamer is usually ejected back into physical reality?


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #563506 - 02/26/02 09:06 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Oh and it was never a desire of mine to find myself stuck to a bed unable to move or scream for help.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: ]
    #563507 - 02/26/02 09:09 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

A friend of mine is working on a device for lucid dreaming. Its a mask that reads your biorythyms and eye movements and then trys to steer you in the direction of lucidity with small LED's. If he ever finishes the damn thing I'll post it here. My light and sound machine has a setting for lucid dreaming but I haven't been able to do it yet. (I never (ever) remember my dreams)


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: MentalHygene]
    #563730 - 02/26/02 01:35 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I had my firtst complete lucid dream last sunday. Ive had some awarness in a few dreams before, but could never totally control them.
This dream I had last sunday I had become aware of my sleeping state somehow just after I got to sleep. I was thinking before I got to sleep that "negative" experiences actually could be good for some reason, dont ask me how.
The first thing I thought when I in the lucid state was "what would happen if my throught got cut?" And imidiatly my throught was being cut. I felt it extremely, and found it to be very unpleasant. So I decided to stop it and wake up, which I did chocking, and decided to not do something like this again.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: ]
    #563856 - 02/26/02 03:47 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

"The only paralysis dreams are the ones in which you allow yourself to be paralyzed. "

I think it's less about allowing it to happen and more about not knowing how to stop it. When I first started getting sleep paralysis it was terrifying and totally disorientating, I would wake up to find that i couldn't move, but at the same time another equal part of me was pacing up and down my room like my feet were in quicksand trying to figure out what the hell was going on. Since reading Astral Dynamics I know that this is what's called the Mind-Split...an aborted Out of Body Experience in progress.

Now when it happens I just relax, I find myself floating a few inches above my physical body, and when i relax my etheric self tilts and I enter my body like slowly going head first into a pool of warm water, and all the astral noise fades out. I've tried tp project from this state a few times but it never seems to happen, in the moment of separation fear seems to get the upper hand.


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Revelation]
    #563881 - 02/26/02 04:31 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

i've only experienced sleep paralysis once. it scared the fuck out of me. i couldn't move, i couldn't scream... if only i knew then what i know now.


Edited by Anonymous (02/26/02 04:32 PM)


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Mycoangelo]
    #563933 - 02/26/02 05:30 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Mycolangelo:  I have a program that sounds similar to your friends creation.  It is called the "Brain Wave Generator"
Basically what it does is slowly relaxes your brain to the theta state with different sound frequencies, and if your computer is equipped right, with light flashes as well.  This is no bullshit, I have used it many many times to achieve high levels of meditation, and eventually lucid dreams.  I have never tried to project with this, but I have been fairly successfull with out it, so I imagine it would be a great help.  You can download the shareware version here.

http://www.bwgen.com/      :smile: 


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Re: Astral Projection [Re: MentalHygene]
    #563939 - 02/26/02 05:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Also regarding controling negativity in lucid dreams:
I also believe that if you have no fear going into a lucid or projection that you will not be affected by negative energy. Maybe you dont necessarily want a bad experience or paralisis, but if your chakras are not properly opened and cleansed you will be much more susceptible to negaitve vibes. By drawing the "kundalini" energy up from the earth and through the chakra system you will be filled with golden energy, and it will be near impossible to have negitive feelings enter the dream or projection.


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