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 Astral Projection 
#563017 - 02/25/02 08:15 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Recently some topics have been leading into discussion on astral projection and lucid dreaming. I have recently awakened to the idea of the astral realm and i am currently experimenting heavily with astral travel and lucidity. I just wanted to post a forum for questions, discussion, experiences and tips pertaining to the subject. Let it flow:)
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I've been trying to project for a while now. I always fall asleep and it pisses me off, but usually the quality of my sleep is better so I can't really complain. Sometimes I'll go unconcious for a while and then an hour later realize that i hadn't been asleep but i wasn't awake. It's tough trying to keep yourself aware when you get so close to that sleep/wake line...
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 Re: Astral Projection [Re: Anonymous]
#563086 - 02/25/02 09:37 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Have you ever heard of Robert Bruce? He has a technique called " the rope" It helps to maintain awareness while in the deep trance state. I definately have problems with staying awake sometime too, but this has helped.
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/rbruce5.html
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that's one of my problems... most of the techniques are for visualization and i can't visualize. i've tried a few other techniques that use feeling with no success. i think i'm on to something with what i'm doing now but i just need to stay determined to keep myself in the game before i "zZzZzz."
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Anonymous]
#563140 - 02/25/02 10:46 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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i try to play it off, but I dont know how to meditate, how to lucid dream, astral project. I have not even tried. I feel lazy, and put it off. Short attention span maybe, i dont know. Any suggestions, cause im at that point where i really wanna try but need suggestions!
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I'v never heard the term astral projection before, but I try to lucid dream as much as possible and understand what im being told. Whenever i become lucid i get the warmest most welcoming feeling like i'm finaly home, and i do the most amusing thing i can think of and try to fly. I don't know if this is astral projection but onetime me and a close friend stayed up late on the phone and she told me to try to find her when i fell asleep, and i concentrated on her as i was drifting off. i felt myself lift out of my body and move across town towards her and i saw myself floating above her, but when i went to hug her something distracted me and i woke up.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: tak]
#563288 - 02/26/02 01:15 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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It should be made clear that Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming are two seperate things.
Astral Projection is when your consciousness, or soul, actually leaves the physical body to explore the astral realm, staying attached to the body by a silver etheric cord. Astral Projection is also known as an Out-Of-Body Experience for obvious reasons.
Here are some sites dealing with Astral Projection:
Astral Projection Info
Astral Projection FAQ, Message boards, Help
Astral Voyage!
Tanega Online
Go Astral!
SpiritWeb on Projection
Lucid Dreaming is the art of becoming conscious during the dream without waking up. Enabling the individual to have all control over the dream's events.
Here are some links about Lucid Dreaming:
Lucid Dreaming FAQ
Lucid Dreaming FAQ Number 2
Lucid Dreams for all!
Lucid Dreaming by Spirit Web
Lucid Dreamer's Reference Guide
Lucid Dream Induction
That should be good for now. I'll see you all on the other side!
 Love and Light! 
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Anonymous]
#563374 - 02/26/02 03:20 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Projecting From A Lucid Dream
Projecting from a lucid dream can be a difficult objective to achieve. Although it is possible to do, you are more than likely to simply dream that you have projected rather than actually do it . . .
http://www.poc-network.net/astralrealms/ld.asp
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when i was young(5-13) i could always remember my dreams and i would be lucid in about 20% of them. i'd usually just try to find a hot chick to fuck or i'd fly or something. kind of a waste, but i was to young to realize the possibilities. once i was dreaming about being at some camp with a crowd of other kids my age. i was walking through a crowd of people when i suddenly realized i was in a dream. i stopped and screamed at everyone that none of this was real. as soon as the words came out of my mouth, i was pulled up into the air and out of my dream and i woke up. i haven't had a lucid dream since. i usually don't even remember much of my dreams anymore
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: jimmy_page]
#563401 - 02/26/02 03:59 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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A thousand times a thousand times
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 Re: Astral Projection [Re: ]
#563481 - 02/26/02 06:33 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Astral projection and lucid dreaming both different techniques/phenomena, may lead to the same place, ie the astral plane. I have no experience of either so the statement is purely intellectual. Dreams definately do not occur on the physical, if pressed to define their level of exsistance I would say they more than likely occur on the psychological plane. But what happens when lucid? I have read that to become lucid doesn't mean you will have control over you're dreams, just that you are aware you are dreaming. To be able to control events outside of the physical is either a crossover of planes (psychological/astral) or purely astral.(correct me please!)
Just a thought what plane of reality can the psychedelic experience occur?(yes I saw the thread about mushroom reality, but as there are many levels of reality it kind of makes that argument moot IMO) Can it occur on more than one?
Also when I was about 12-13 I experienced a number of paralysis dreams.
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But what happens when lucid? I have read that to become lucid doesn't mean you will have control over you're dreams, just that you are aware you are dreaming. To be able to control events outside of the physical is either a crossover of planes (psychological/astral) or purely astral.(correct me please!)
To have awareness of is to have control over. They are one in the same.
Also when I was about 12-13 I experienced a number of paralysis dreams.
The only paralysis dreams are the ones in which you allow yourself to be paralyzed. By embracing the light there is no fear of darkness.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: ]
#563505 - 02/26/02 07:04 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote "To have awareness of (dreams) is to have control over. They are one in the same. "
Then why is it that when awareness comes in dreams the dreamer is usually ejected back into physical reality?
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Oh and it was never a desire of mine to find myself stuck to a bed unable to move or scream for help.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: ]
#563507 - 02/26/02 07:09 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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A friend of mine is working on a device for lucid dreaming. Its a mask that reads your biorythyms and eye movements and then trys to steer you in the direction of lucidity with small LED's. If he ever finishes the damn thing I'll post it here. My light and sound machine has a setting for lucid dreaming but I haven't been able to do it yet. (I never (ever) remember my dreams)
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Well, I had my firtst complete lucid dream last sunday. Ive had some awarness in a few dreams before, but could never totally control them.
This dream I had last sunday I had become aware of my sleeping state somehow just after I got to sleep. I was thinking before I got to sleep that "negative" experiences actually could be good for some reason, dont ask me how.
The first thing I thought when I in the lucid state was "what would happen if my throught got cut?" And imidiatly my throught was being cut. I felt it extremely, and found it to be very unpleasant. So I decided to stop it and wake up, which I did chocking, and decided to not do something like this again.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: ]
#563856 - 02/26/02 01:47 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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"The only paralysis dreams are the ones in which you allow yourself to be paralyzed. "
I think it's less about allowing it to happen and more about not knowing how to stop it. When I first started getting sleep paralysis it was terrifying and totally disorientating, I would wake up to find that i couldn't move, but at the same time another equal part of me was pacing up and down my room like my feet were in quicksand trying to figure out what the hell was going on. Since reading Astral Dynamics I know that this is what's called the Mind-Split...an aborted Out of Body Experience in progress.
Now when it happens I just relax, I find myself floating a few inches above my physical body, and when i relax my etheric self tilts and I enter my body like slowly going head first into a pool of warm water, and all the astral noise fades out. I've tried tp project from this state a few times but it never seems to happen, in the moment of separation fear seems to get the upper hand.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Revelation]
#563881 - 02/26/02 02:31 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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i've only experienced sleep paralysis once. it scared the fuck out of me. i couldn't move, i couldn't scream... if only i knew then what i know now.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Mycoangelo]
#563933 - 02/26/02 03:30 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycolangelo: I have a program that sounds similar to your friends creation. It is called the "Brain Wave Generator"
Basically what it does is slowly relaxes your brain to the theta state with different sound frequencies, and if your computer is equipped right, with light flashes as well. This is no bullshit, I have used it many many times to achieve high levels of meditation, and eventually lucid dreams. I have never tried to project with this, but I have been fairly successfull with out it, so I imagine it would be a great help. You can download the shareware version here.
http://www.bwgen.com/ 
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Also regarding controling negativity in lucid dreams:
I also believe that if you have no fear going into a lucid or projection that you will not be affected by negative energy. Maybe you dont necessarily want a bad experience or paralisis, but if your chakras are not properly opened and cleansed you will be much more susceptible to negaitve vibes. By drawing the "kundalini" energy up from the earth and through the chakra system you will be filled with golden energy, and it will be near impossible to have negitive feelings enter the dream or projection.
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Good tip for any dream. I don't remember where i heard this but if your dreaming and you want a change of senery for whatever reason just roll over. thats right just imagine your physical body rolling over or turn around really fast. Im not sure if you really roll over but i imagine you do. Works great for me.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Anonymous]
#564149 - 02/26/02 08:04 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have heard the same thing about rolling over. I thought that that was a technique for astral projection though, but I guess it would work in a lucid dream as well. The theory goes something like this:
In the astral realm we don't have eyes in the physical sense. We can literaly see 360 degrees. When first in the astral world your instinct tell you to see with your "physical Eyes". When in actuality all you have to do is focus in the direction you want to see. This ecxercise (flipping) simply teaches you how to shift points of view. (you do not actually roll over in real life) I hope this was clear enough.
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Last night I tried to project using Robert Bruce's "Rope" method. Within a couple of minutes I had very strange sensation and felt dizzy. I got excited and my breathing became irregular and my eyes started to flutter. I tried to keep my mind focused on climbing the rope as best I could. This dizzy state continued for a couple seconds before my eyes eventually opened and I lost my mindstate. I felt like I was very close to projecting but unfortuneately got too excited. Has anyone else had a similar experience? I will try to relax more next time and maybe try using a blindfold to help stop my eyes from fluttering. I really want to project.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: SoulTech]
#565730 - 02/28/02 10:56 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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You were mentally projecting about astral projection. Of course you got all fluttery and excited, but nothing happened because there is no such thing. Good luck trying to convince yourself though...
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: SoulTech]
#565761 - 02/28/02 11:37 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dont mind swami, he's always like that! Actually, I use the rope method almost exclusively. You had a bit to go untill a projection. You need to reach the trance stage first. You will lose all sense of gravity, and you will more than likely not be able to open your eyes. Also a extensive amount of chakra work has to preceed the trance state. But quite obviously you are on the right path! I'm not sure how much of Bruce's methor you read, but I believe the rope is part 5 in a 7 part exercise. Iwould suggest going all the way to page 1 and read the whole thing.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: ]
#565769 - 02/28/02 11:43 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm familiar with both astral projection, and lucid dreaming... more so with lucid dreaming, as it is one of my natural capabilities.... however, I'm not entirely sure I understand the connection between the two? Am i overlooking the obvious here?
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The connection between the two is that neither of them happens in the material world with the physical body.
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#565813 - 02/28/02 12:35 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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i have never had an astral projection. but when i was younger i was able to control my dreams fairly easy. it all started with an episode of the Smurfs i saw when the evil wizard was trying to kill them in their dreams, but they said how they had the power to control their own dreams. once in a while im still able to control my dreams, but not so often.
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The connection between the two differs from person to person. To alot of folks a projection is a sort of self induced lucid dream while in the waking state. The function of the brain in both is essentially the same.
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when i was in jr. high i tried to astral project... i bought a tape that talks you through it. i was in the middle of it and had to stop very abruptly b/c my piano teacher had arrived. i started to feel really sick, and nauseous. we had to cancel the lesson cuz i was so sick and pale. i don't know what happened but i'm guessing my autonomic nervous system had been jolted a bit too much for my liking. i never tried it again after that.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: mariasabina]
#567556 - 03/02/02 06:25 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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isnt Calea zacatechichi (dream herb) suppose to make you have lucid dreams any of you ever tried it thank's im about to order like 100 grams or so Does anybody have see'd that i can trade buy pzlzlzl pm me
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Anonymous]
#579759 - 03/15/02 02:20 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey man if it works for me, then why shouldn't it work for you, right? try this, as you begin to feel your body become heavy and heavier always try to picture what your surrounding would look like through imagery, not just your immediate surroundings bu event as far as inner stellar space, there really is no limit. remember the key is concentration on alertness, also try to heighten your senses by not just picturing what it would look like but smelling, hearing, feeling these surroundings.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: tak]
#579769 - 03/15/02 02:38 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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a major problem that i had was jumping ahead to quickly before reaching sleep paralysis, I started trying to visualize all these beautiful places but i would just snap back right a way, I know this is very, very frustrating. sometimes at first you will not even realize you are in sleep paralsysis . you can still move at will in the first stages of it so a lot of people will think they have gotten it down, but then realized they could still move and just gave up. do not give up, you are about to enter a higher state of consciousness similar to the mush experience if you do it right. you must clear your mind of daily distractions, but at the same time visualize, visualize, visualize. what you visualize is important. at this stage you can start the dissasosciation process by picturing your body flying through landscapes, tunnels, through the sky. you will be seeing bright , brilliant colours by now in all sort of forms. don't just picture it, feel it to through your senses all over your body, can't stress this enough. try to turn the colors into portals, tunnels, landscapes and such dissasociating imagery. this is very brief however, definately read more info on the subject. search ( experiences in the estheric and astral body ). all sorts of other scary phenominon can occur during these stages, this is your warning!!!!
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Anonymous]
#579770 - 03/15/02 02:42 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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projection within a lucid dream is nothing more than a hallucination.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: SoulTech]
#579810 - 03/15/02 03:18 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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to stop your eyes from fluttering relax your cheeks, this is a sign of your body tensing up and you will obviously loose your projection.
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to attain true astral projection, not a body hallucination, you must arrest your thoughts completely, however this technique sounds cool. Try this also, while in fairly deep trance picture your body as a fluctuating sound wave with only 2 demensions ( side to side ). Now imagine you, the sound wave drifting from side to side, further and further in each direction each time. this is extremely euphoric!!!!!
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there is no connection, lucid dreaming is a hallucination while true astral projection involves actually penetrating the 4th dimension ( spiritual world ).
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and how exactly do you know that astral projection isn't also a "hallucination"?
after all, it does involve deep meditation- which means it is very likely your brain is doing the same thing it does when lucid dreaming.
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I see very little difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Icelander]
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Maybe because both are manifestations of the mind, like everything else?
There is a distinct difference notable when you come out of your body and see your room exactly as it is in waking life and you see your body just as you left it on the bed. This doesn't happen in lucid dreams. Also, the same category of sensations occur when leaving the body, always in the areas of the chakras. You don't dream something like that time and time again. Plus, only the body is asleep in OBEs, your consciousness is completely awake. In dreams, both are asleep/passive.
I can't convince you with words, but after hundreds of OBEs all occurring the same way I'm convinced that they're legit.
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I can't convince you with words, but after hundreds of OBEs all occurring the same way I'm convinced that they're legit.
Can you tell what's in the room next to where your body is? If someone in the next room opens the phone book to some random page, can you report what page?
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
#12863181 - 07/07/10 05:51 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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In dreams, both are asleep/passive.
Maybe you don't understand what a Lucid dream is. The awake conscious mind is not asleep or passive in the Lucid dreams state. I know this from experience.
I think you could win a million dollars if you could demonstrate your OBE talent in a controlled setting. I certainly know that I would. A million dollars would free you up to do a lot of fun things or help others or contribute to your favorite Spiritual group. If you need more info contact Diploid. I know at one time he was even willing to pay air fare and lodging. What have you got to lose?
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Diploid]
#12863195 - 07/07/10 05:52 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Am I right?
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Yep.
As always, anyone who can do whatever PSI they talk endlessly about gets a free plane ticket and a nice room in Miami Beach on me while they take the formal JREF Challenge to win an easy million bucks. I'll also become their very first groupie. 
All they have to do is what they say they can do.
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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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astral cojones
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Icelander]
#12863235 - 07/07/10 06:00 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
#12863246 - 07/07/10 06:02 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK then this is the Philosophy forum not the Mystery forum. Put up or stfu. 
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Bump 
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The silence is pretty loud.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Quote:
mushroomexplorer said:
I see very little difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming.
apart from one being fictitious and the other verified i know what you mean
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circastes
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I barely have any control over what happens when I'm outside the body, I think that's because I'm so used to the body that I try to move it, instead of my astral self - the astral self, I think, is just an imagination of yourself in consciousness. That is, you are the whole of consciousness, and if you so desire you can be the mold of your body, or you can be the whole event that's going on - the ground, the walking, the space. Then again there is evidence to contradict this, ie. the pain I experienced when I brushed against a curtain, seemed to suggest there was some kind of spiritual self/body. My 'spiritual body' warped and molded around the curtains grooves, and didn't move it at all, and it FARKING hurt me. I woke up in total fear, wondering if I'd damaged something. But the way I see it, the pain is just change. And the 'collision' was the collision between the vibrational frequency I was on and the one the curtain was on, perhaps they repelled each other in some way?
I recommend doubters read William Buhlman.
I personally think the 'astral realm' will turn out to be our real home, rather than this physical plane.
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Jaegar
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
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There is no "Astral Realm". It is all in your head.
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Sir Francis Bacon
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Jaegar]
#12866811 - 07/08/10 11:14 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Source?
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Jaegar
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I suggest you start with a book called "The Ego Tunnel" by Thomas Metzinger.
Edited by Jaegar (07/08/10 11:28 AM)
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mushroomexplorer
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Jaegar]
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I have also experienced sleep paralisis several times it is often very frighteny and somtimes very strange.
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astral cojones
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reality is all in your head as well. therefore the astral realm is real.
just because it's in your head doesn't mean it's not real. quite the opposite in fact. as you can't experience something that doesn't exist
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Sir Francis Bacon
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Jaegar]
#12867273 - 07/08/10 01:14 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jaegar said:
I suggest you start with a book called "The Ego Tunnel" by Thomas Metzinger.
That book looks interesting. It is nice to get an intelligent response after all the James Randi crap.
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spectralis
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Quote:
astral cojones said:
reality is all in your head as well. therefore the astral realm is real.
just because it's in your head doesn't mean it's not real. quite the opposite in fact. as you can't experience something that doesn't exist
^good point. we experience a virtual reality dream about the real world
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