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 Re: Astral Projection  [Re: Icelander]
#12863079 - 07/07/10 05:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe because both are manifestations of the mind, like everything else?
There is a distinct difference notable when you come out of your body and see your room exactly as it is in waking life and you see your body just as you left it on the bed. This doesn't happen in lucid dreams. Also, the same category of sensations occur when leaving the body, always in the areas of the chakras. You don't dream something like that time and time again. Plus, only the body is asleep in OBEs, your consciousness is completely awake. In dreams, both are asleep/passive.
I can't convince you with words, but after hundreds of OBEs all occurring the same way I'm convinced that they're legit.
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 Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
#12863177 - 07/07/10 05:49 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't convince you with words, but after hundreds of OBEs all occurring the same way I'm convinced that they're legit.
Can you tell what's in the room next to where your body is? If someone in the next room opens the phone book to some random page, can you report what page?
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
#12863181 - 07/07/10 05:51 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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In dreams, both are asleep/passive.
Maybe you don't understand what a Lucid dream is. The awake conscious mind is not asleep or passive in the Lucid dreams state. I know this from experience.
I think you could win a million dollars if you could demonstrate your OBE talent in a controlled setting. I certainly know that I would. A million dollars would free you up to do a lot of fun things or help others or contribute to your favorite Spiritual group.  If you need more info contact Diploid. I know at one time he was even willing to pay air fare and lodging. What have you got to lose?
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Diploid]
#12863195 - 07/07/10 05:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Am I right?
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 Re: Astral Projection [Re: Icelander]
#12863226 - 07/07/10 05:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep.
As always, anyone who can do whatever PSI they talk endlessly about gets a free plane ticket and a nice room in Miami Beach on me while they take the formal JREF Challenge to win an easy million bucks. I'll also become their very first groupie. 
All they have to do is what they say they can do.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Icelander]
#12863235 - 07/07/10 06:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
#12863246 - 07/07/10 06:02 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK then this is the Philosophy forum not the Mystery forum. Put up or stfu. 
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Bump 
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The silence is pretty loud.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Quote:
mushroomexplorer said:
I see very little difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming.
apart from one being fictitious and the other verified i know what you mean
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I barely have any control over what happens when I'm outside the body, I think that's because I'm so used to the body that I try to move it, instead of my astral self - the astral self, I think, is just an imagination of yourself in consciousness. That is, you are the whole of consciousness, and if you so desire you can be the mold of your body, or you can be the whole event that's going on - the ground, the walking, the space. Then again there is evidence to contradict this, ie. the pain I experienced when I brushed against a curtain, seemed to suggest there was some kind of spiritual self/body. My 'spiritual body' warped and molded around the curtains grooves, and didn't move it at all, and it FARKING hurt me. I woke up in total fear, wondering if I'd damaged something. But the way I see it, the pain is just change. And the 'collision' was the collision between the vibrational frequency I was on and the one the curtain was on, perhaps they repelled each other in some way?
I recommend doubters read William Buhlman.
I personally think the 'astral realm' will turn out to be our real home, rather than this physical plane.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: circastes]
#12866785 - 07/08/10 11:02 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is no "Astral Realm". It is all in your head.
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Jaegar]
#12866811 - 07/08/10 11:14 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Source?
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Jaegar
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I suggest you start with a book called "The Ego Tunnel" by Thomas Metzinger.
Edited by Jaegar (07/08/10 11:28 AM)
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mushroomexplorer
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Jaegar]
#12866852 - 07/08/10 11:28 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have also experienced sleep paralisis several times it is often very frighteny and somtimes very strange.
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astral cojones
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reality is all in your head as well. therefore the astral realm is real.
just because it's in your head doesn't mean it's not real. quite the opposite in fact. as you can't experience something that doesn't exist
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Sir Francis Bacon
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Re: Astral Projection [Re: Jaegar]
#12867273 - 07/08/10 01:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Jaegar said:
I suggest you start with a book called "The Ego Tunnel" by Thomas Metzinger.
That book looks interesting. It is nice to get an intelligent response after all the James Randi crap.
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spectralis
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Quote:
astral cojones said:
reality is all in your head as well. therefore the astral realm is real.
just because it's in your head doesn't mean it's not real. quite the opposite in fact. as you can't experience something that doesn't exist
^good point. we experience a virtual reality dream about the real world
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