deezdelta said:

hTx said:

There has been, throughout history, many different technologies which made many jobs obsolete.
As well, many more were created, and we made it work.

Perhaps this will give us time to focus on ourselves, and jobs will become focused where we need them most.

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This is money. Where has this so called "progress" gotten us so far? Does it seem to be converging towards something we want or has it shown itself to be divergent as hell?

I'd argue the latter... But I may also argue that divergency is also a major defining property of human nature.

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hTx said:

SO cynical.

While I tend to agree with your pov, I will argue the counter-point for the sake of debate.

I have an awful lot of faith in the collective intelligence of mankind.

Our species are literally masters of adaption. Not by biological means, but by technological and intelligent means, tools, ideas, knowledge, etc.

There has been, throughout history, many different technologies which made many jobs obsolete.
As well, many more were created, and we made it work.

Perhaps this will give us time to focus on ourselves, and jobs will become focused where we need them most.

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iiilil said:

Automation and mechanization have been going on since the beginning of man...
And yet...

Productivity has increased almost 5 fold since the 40s....
And yet.

So, at some point, man will have to 'grow up' in way of social relations and the way it treats fellow man or technology is going to do it for them....

Compassion : sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others.
Empathy : the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

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DividedQuantum said:

I'm pretty sure true compassion has nothing to do with pity.

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DividedQuantum said:

And the AI revolution has nothing to do with social relations or maturity.

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DividedQuantum said:

  It is simply a natural development that will make man's efforts seem ridiculous and puny.  Human labor will simply become obsolete.

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hTx said:

And I think we will deal with it.

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hTx said:

Quit watching mainstream media, it really puts a damper on anything positive humanity is doing.

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hTx said:

There are people that are trying to change things for the better, and more and more people are waking up everyday.
The news won't tell you this.

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Quote:

hTx said:
While I tend to agree with your pov, I will argue the counter-point for the sake of debate.

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You're maintaining that quite well...

hTx said:

To figure this out, you must go and research for yourself, find the others.

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hTx said:

“Admit it. You aren’t like them. You’re not even close. You may occasionally dress yourself up as one of them, watch the same mindless television shows as they do, maybe even eat the same fast food sometimes. But it seems that the more you try to fit in, the more you feel like an outsider, watching the “normal people” as they go about their automatic existences. For every time you say club passwords like “Have a nice day” and “Weather’s awful today, eh?”, you yearn inside to say forbidden things like “Tell me something that makes you cry” or “What do you think deja vu is for?”. Face it, you even want to talk to that girl in the elevator. But what if that girl in the elevator (and the balding man who walks past your cubicle at work) are thinking the same thing? Who knows what you might learn from taking a chance on conversation with a stranger? Everyone carries a piece of the puzzle. Nobody comes into your life by mere coincidence. Trust your instincts. Do the unexpected. Find the others…”  - Leary

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hTx said:

I think it will be as relative as everything else.

The news thing, I wasn't just saying that to you, really, anyone that is reading.

I know how easy it is to get cynical, hell, I'm there myself most of the time, I have to remember there is another side to the coin more often than not nowadays.
Yet, I am inspired by my personal heroes, who remained optimistic even when the chips were not in their favor, even in spite of the well deserved negativity surrounding our outlook.

With so much going on, and literally billions of individuals, no future is guaranteed. In times like these, we forge our own way. Personally, I don't see jobs being replaced by machines and intelligent software as a bad thing, not in the least.
But that could be because I am learning to be a programmer and I try to be an optimist when I can.
I accept my bias, as well, I keep both sides in mind, never really giving any objective 'truth' to any one outlook, except that of being an optimist, as I recognize the importance of 'never give up, never surrender'.



“...an optimistic mind-set finds dozens of possible solutions for every problem that the pessimist regards as incurable.”" -RAW

I generally follow this paradigm, if I've discovered any personal truth, it is found in the above quote.

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DividedQuantum said:

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Probably we will do nothing until it is far too late.  Anyone have any ideas?

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hTx said:

"Progress" (technology) is a tool. As such, it has gotten man no further than the reaches of their hearts.... To blame technology or feel that suddenly stopping progress will fix man's ills is missing the point.

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I'm trying to get the point!! Either I'm way off or there's some kind of flaw in your logic here.
What I can't seem to figure out is how you got blame tech equals feel tech does not equal the point.
Also, I definitely see some irrelevant assumptions and a couple of undistributed terms.

laughingdog said:

DividedQuantum said:

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Probably we will do nothing until it is far too late.  Anyone have any ideas?

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one could say a subway is automation compared to horse and buggy
From the blacksmith to Henry Ford and the assembly line

From life in a teepee riding bareback on the plains
to life in the mega cities
( 494 cities from 1 million to 37 million)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_by_population
and slums
and refugee camps

it seems to me we are like the metaphorical frog that can be boiled if the water temperature is raised slowly enough (a real frog will jump out-but humans aren't that smart)

so for the sake of argument I would say automation already happened and nothing changed for the better - how about land mines left after wars that continue to mutilate men women and children - and the statistics are amazing. Automated killing already.

so I think it's a bigger issue than economics and robots

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Icelander said:

Nothing lasts, take heart.   Species go extinct. None of them were aware they were passing.

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deezdelta said:

hTx said:

"Progress" (technology) is a tool. As such, it has gotten man no further than the reaches of their hearts.... To blame technology or feel that suddenly stopping progress will fix man's ills is missing the point.

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I'm trying to get the point!! Either I'm way off or there's some kind of flaw in your logic here.
What I can't seem to figure out is how you got blame tech equals feel tech does not equal the point.
Also, I definitely see some irrelevant assumptions and a couple of undistributed terms.

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deezdelta said:

I pasted the logic in my comment. That long mathy looking thing. That's a logic equation. I'm just joking around anyways. Stop acting so serious.

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lulz

deezdelta said:

Un-distributed terms are often just a matter of diction. When people make an attempt to dictate a thought in an online forum, they tend to add unnecessary words to their arguement. Un distributed terms are the unnecessary words in an arguement.

Linear, logical, reasonable.

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Meh', you got the point and it seems by your omission that there were no :
> noteworthy flaws
or
>  irrelevant assumptions

Love you too...