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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: trendal]
    #2519357 - 04/02/04 05:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Im really intrested in this 'chaos' theory stuff as of late.... I think the human brain is NOT classifyable as pure function of tissue, and NOT explainable by psychology.... that having been said, I think that psychology and biology play a LARGE part in helping us understand the bigger picture of what/why , but there is an even more complex 'system' of randomness that the universe employs, and I think this choas is in itself the essence of god...... god is spontaneos.


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2519461 - 04/02/04 05:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You expressed interest in Chaos Theory, well here's an introduction to it.

http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html

Please read this, because judging by what you said you heard the word "Chaos Theory" and made up your own definition to what it meant. Here's your chance to read into it. After that, your concepts will be improved and I'd like to see how your concept of god changes with that. Find the order in Chaos, and you will have found science.


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2520303 - 04/03/04 12:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Mister order, he runs at a very good pace
but old mother chaos is winning the race

This is making me think....you're all such smart people. how about the universe as a hologram? All existence is chaotic to us, but then at the same time equally ordered in a way that we can't see but can sense like in interference patterns of some higher organizational order. Things only appear chaotic because we haven't acknowledged yet that order is just habit, trying to keep something from deteriorating...hmm I probably don't understand this at all.

That's a good link, ShroomHermit. I have read it all before and will probably do so again soon.


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: Eschalt]
    #2520346 - 04/03/04 12:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The universe as a hologram is a theory in physics, one of the newer ones I think. :wink:


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2521820 - 04/03/04 04:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, dude, that was a great read  :stoned:


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: trendal]
    #2522327 - 04/03/04 07:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We are progressing into stupidity. I wish I existed at the quantum level.


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: tak]
    #2522386 - 04/03/04 07:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We are progressing into stupidity.

Speak for yourself, man :grin:


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: trendal]
    #2526076 - 04/05/04 12:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So why does the universe seem to evolve into more order...when one of THE MOST fundamental laws of physics states that systems are most likely to move into more dissorder?

Are we an aberration?


I think we've missed something...


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: trendal]
    #2526095 - 04/05/04 12:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe we have depended too much on "fundamental laws", instead of looking elsewhere :wink: .

For me... my life seems to get more dissorderly. But i think thats a wanning perception. Its simply because their has been no intereferece of its progression... kind of like inertia. All these molecules and systems have properties... which allow them to interact, function, and change into very dynamic things. Because they have not been stopped... they have bllossomed into.. flowers, rocks, lava, air, weed, reciepts... you name it!


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2526117 - 04/05/04 12:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Because they have not been stopped... they have bllossomed into.."
makes me think again about what WE will 'blossom' into... should we not 'stop'


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2526129 - 04/05/04 12:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

hopefully its not a mushroom cloud, but im skeptical.


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2526137 - 04/05/04 12:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

hopefully we will 'realize' our purpose and evolve into the next thing the light will evolve into... light being the global reality of conciousness that Is. who knows if we will achieve our goals though : - it's almost to the point of no return.... almost key word....


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2528053 - 04/05/04 04:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

hopefully we will 'realize' our purpose and evolve into the next thing the light will evolve into... light being the global reality of conciousness that Is. who knows if we will achieve our goals though : -

>it's almost to the point of no return.... almost key word...
-In my opinion, we will never "evolve into the next thing the light will evolve into" because there are too many people who believe different things. You talk of a
>global reality of conciousness that Is
-but thats something that doesn't exist. People, just like you, don't subscribe to a global (read Universal) reality. Instead people, including you, have built a personal realty "shell" to exist outside of the Universal Reality... If you want people to be linked together in a common structure, instead of comming into conflicts with each other than preach for understanding amongst men and women instead of having them dellude themselves into belief factions. You have a really touchy-feely veiw that if we just realize this "light" the light will do it all for us. I prefer a hands on approach, because hoping and wishing takes a back seat to actually going out in the world and doing something.

>it's almost to the point of no return.... almost key word...
-Statements like this only put an expiration date on your will. What happens after the point of no return that you have chosen comes and goes?


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Re: Reality as a set of abstractions [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2531039 - 04/06/04 12:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I wonder how human civilization fits into reality's growing complexity. Is our existence just a small part of some elaborate momentum of growth...like a a chemical reaction, only on more complex terms?

Hmm, I don't know if that will make sense to anyone.


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