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Invisible1stimer
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Re: Reality Is Alive [Re: pattern]
    #900771 - 09/23/02 02:32 AM (19 years, 9 days ago)

if humans or living organisms didn't exist to interpret reality would it not exist. reality exists wether it is percieved or not.


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Re: Reality Is Alive [Re: 1stimer]
    #900790 - 09/23/02 02:47 AM (19 years, 9 days ago)

for the purpose of this argument, lets say reality(objective realities, like the planet earth exists, humans exist, stuff is made of these little things we call protons an electrons etc) does actually exist the way we see it, we're not (or I'm not) hallucinating.

without the universe existing to begin with, how could humans have come to exist to percieve it?

the idea that "without humans to percieve it, nothing exists" annoys me. it shows a complete lack of any logical thought.
if there's a universe, but intelligent life evolves far along into its time frame, does it really only begin to exist once it is first percieved?
if there's a universe, but intelligent life never ever evolved, would it then not exist? no. because um, it exists?


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Invisible1stimer
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Re: Reality Is Alive [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #900797 - 09/23/02 02:49 AM (19 years, 9 days ago)

thats what i was saying.


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Re: Reality Is Alive [Re: 1stimer]
    #900800 - 09/23/02 02:51 AM (19 years, 9 days ago)

I know.
I wasn't saying that you were an advocate of that idea
just commenting


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Re: Reality Is Alive [Re: pattern]
    #8448109 - 05/26/08 09:15 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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pattern said:
I believe that Reality is alive.  Reality is everything that can be and is experienced, and in saying that it is obvious that reality is alive, because humans are part of reality, and humans are alive.  I am not just talking about people, I am talking about everything.  Everything is alive!

Reality, in our universe, as we are discovering, is made of concepts that our brains can understand.  Space, time, physics, math, particles, what have you.  I believe that all of these fundamental things, interacting with each other, produces life and is life.  A molecule isn't very alive, and neither are two molecules, but when a whole bunch of molecules are bonded together in a pattern, they become very alive.

The Earth is a grouping of units of matter, energy, time, space.  Looking at the Earth, and looking at Mars, I conclude that the Earth is more alive than Mars.  This is simply how I define what alive is.  Earth is also more alive than Venus, but I might say Mars is more alive than Venus because it exhibits more signs of being alive.  Venus is more alive than an asteroid, and an asteroid is more alive than a void in space.  A void in space may be more alive than "nothing".

The environments that we live in on Earth, our homes, our gardens, forests and all of nature, are alive.  Technology is mans attempt to evolve nature to suit his needs, and therefore technology and nature coexist together.  Yet technology is a product of nature and so the paradox is that technology is a recombination of natural processes: it is an evolution of nature.  It is not a replacement nor a successor.  Technology compliments nature.  Nature, being alive, and technology being narrow-minded, will become more alive with the creation of artificial intelligence.

God is the realization that Reality is alive.  "God Exists" is the proclamation by humanity that we recognize the life of the universe!  Reality, as manifested by physics and the behaviour of matter, is the personality of God.  In a way, the holistic process that gives rise to the functioning of the universe, is the essence of God.  Reality is God and God is Reality.  Everything that we have experienced shows that the laws of the universe play out not only in the vacuum of space, but in the center of our own brains.  Our beings, the combination of body and brain, as defined as a soul, is made of the same substances as anything else: time, energy, matter.

If reality is alive, and there was a Big Bang, where did reality come from?  I propose that reality didn't come from anything.  Our universe is a product of something - not nothing.  Nihilistic physicists may tell you the universe came from nothing, but I for one think that is bullshit.  Nothing just magically became something?  Nah.  How about this: there was always something, and there always  will be something, because there IS something.  Do you see nothing?  I don't, I see something.  Always have, always will.  Even in the void of space, something can always be found.

Science proclaims that a Big Bang occured, and this is based on good evidence.  Before the Big Bang, there is only one reasonable belief: something existed.  I believe that no physicist alive today can confirm that something came from nothing, simply because they weren't alive billions of years ago.  They weren't there to witness something coming from nothing, their whole story is in fact full of fairy tales.  Scientists may have the higher ground on these issues, but why let credentials bully your thoughts?

My point is: any entity is to some degree alive.  Only some things are more alive than others.  It is as if some things have more life concentrated into one space than other things.  What is this "substance" that is life?  I propose that time is this substance.  Time, as a fuel for reality, is the indivisible, multidimensional, prismatic and fluid ether that is life.  Without time, there is no life, no energy.  Humans have time, our brains achieve ways to get more time to think, more time to feel and express emotions.  The mushroom gives us more time; ancestral apes, eating shrooms, increased their access to time.  Humans are more alive than any other animal in nature, and this is precisely because we are evolved to use the most time.

:grin: 




After re-reading your post, 6 years later, I'm proud to be a RL friend of yours.  We have to spin records one day soon, Dr. Pattern..  One day soon...

(Bumped for those new to the site)


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Re: Reality Is Alive [Re: nubious]
    #8448550 - 05/26/08 11:01 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I would not be too sure of any of it.
for one thing, time itself at a virtual beginning, did not operate as it does.
all this speculation
is premature.
we don't have the information required or the understanding to penetrate the beginning of creation yet.
i do see ongoing creation still happenning,
i am often surprised that people think it's all done.


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Re: Reality Is Alive [Re: pattern]
    #8448690 - 05/26/08 11:32 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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pattern said:
I believe that Reality is alive. Reality is everything that can be and is experienced, and in saying that it is obvious that reality is alive, because humans are part of reality, and humans are alive. I am not just talking about people, I am talking about everything. Everything is alive!

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What I want to know is if you still feel the same way.


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Re: Reality Is Alive [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8450833 - 05/27/08 04:40 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Wow thanks for the five year bump, I'm honored! ha


"What I want to know is if you still feel the same way."

To a large extent, yes, especially what you've quoted.  Although some of what I've wrote seems a little naive in hindsight. 

Bear with me while I share a somewhat related story:

A little while ago I was exclaiming to my girl about a pile of junk in the corner of the room.  This pile had been sitting in this corner for a very long time, months, undisturbed.  It seemed amazing to me, that this was the case.  That even though this pile of junk had no one caring about it, no one thinking about it, yet it still existed in solid form.  The pile of junk was boring, but when you really thought about it, its full of amazing quantum qualities, energies, and intricacies.  It was really an alive pile of junk, doing what it could to stay stable, holding itself together.  Even that corner of pointlessness was still getting fueled by time.

What amazes me is that reality is so complex, so stable, so thorough, so relentless, that even that pile of junk would still exist even after all that neglect.  I don't even know if I am summoning the right words to get my point across, but there is beauty and mystery and fascination and life throughout the world, if only we let our inquisitive nature be open to it.  It can be a humbling, but rewarding, experience.

:cool:


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Re: Reality Is Alive [Re: pattern]
    #8452886 - 05/28/08 12:12 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah im new here and that was fuckin awesome man!:thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: Reality Is Alive [Re: Friendofmine]
    #8453226 - 05/28/08 01:22 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I hope you mean figuratively alive.

It's a nice warm and fuzzy thought and all, but rocks are NOT lifeforms.


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