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InvisibleSclorch
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Shroomism vs. Reality
    #603770 - 04/10/02 12:28 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Okay. For starters...

1. Prove that aliens exist with some evidence other than your beloved "experience", which is totally unverifiable (and saying that there are thousands of "witnesses" is just the philosophical blunder of the appeal to common practice).

2. Prove that you can communicate telepathically. This one will be harder for you, as you'll have to actually conduct an experiment rather than just show us some evidence. If you could prove this, you'll probably win the Nobel Prize because then we would have some way to combat the bad aliens (I'd personally kiss your feet if you proved this).


The only rules that you must follow are good critical thinking and good logic. Now have at it.


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Sclorch]
    #603777 - 04/10/02 12:39 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I can prove telepathy ... I can read your thoughts and tell what your doing.

You're naked and making a ham sandwhich in the kitchen. You're thinking about painting your body with the mayonaise.


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #603811 - 04/10/02 01:06 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

No, I say he's sitting in front of a computer reading a post. And he's thinking "that's bullshit, there's no such thing as telepathy."


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Sclorch]
    #603844 - 04/10/02 01:44 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I havn't got the time.

Tell you what, why don't you prove aliens don't exist with a reason other than your beloved "I havn't seen them yet"?

Then prove that you can't communicate telepathically.

We're all waiting with baited breath...yawn....



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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Sclorch]
    #603869 - 04/10/02 02:13 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Prove that aliens exist with some evidence other than your beloved "experience", which is totally unverifiable

Ok let me explain something to you, which I'm sure you are well aware of.
Proving the existance of aliens is impossible to do at this time. I could show you the evidence, bring you thousands of abductees, show you pictures of UFOs and aliens.. but until you actually see one standing in front of you there is no way for me to prove something like that. You could say the pictures are fake, the abductees are crazy, and the evidence is nonsene. Not only that, but nowhere did I say I want or have the need to prove the existance of aliens to anyone. If you don't want to believe, you're not going to.. its as simple as that. I'm not here to prove the existance of aliens to anyone. And trust me, people have asked me to do this before, and I bring forth massive amounts of evidence and it is called non-scientific, rigged evidence, or biased. Any skeptic can debunk any amount of evidence as illogical so long as they don't want to believe it. My position is not to prove myself to anyone, let alone prove the existance of another species.

I could say I ate a steak for dinner, and it was the most delicous steak I have ever eaten in my life. Prove it to me, you say.. I could show you pictures of the steak, bring you the cook who made it and the waiter who brought it to me. That's not evidence. I could puke the steak up for you, but it wont look much like a steak now will it?

Really, I don't see why it upsets you so that I talk openly about aliens. Sure, maybe you don't think they exist. But if you truly want me to prove the existance of aliens, first prove to me that you exist, and you are not just a computer program. Then maybe I will take you out to the woods of west virginia. (Note I am not saying that aliens only go to the woods of West Virginia, only that in that particular environment the existance will be much more noticeable for you)

Here I am using critical thinking and good logic. I know that if I present evidence to you about the existance of aliens, you will tell me that it is not concrete evidence. I think you know that there is no concrete evidence. If you really truly want that, I will give you evidence.

It is important to note that you cannot PROVE an experience you have had to someone else. I cannot prove to you that I was happy yesterday any more than I can prove I have had experiences with aliens. The only way to prove something like that is to experience it for yourself, something I cannot do for you. The only thing I can do is show you the almost overwhelming amount of evidence about the presence of extra-terrestrial intelligent life on our planet, and/or you can come with me to a gathering and perhaps open your mind a bit and experience it for yourself.

Prove that you can communicate telepathically.

This is more feasible.
Telepathy is direct mind-to-mind communication between two or more people who have developed a bond and are usually close emotionally. Anything such as reading a playing card before you see it is not telepathy, that is clairvoyance. A test such as you speak would have to be in a controlled environment, and would probably be done in the following method:
Two people who have developed an alleged telepathic bond would enter seperate rooms, where they cannot see or hear each other and have no means of electronic communication or any other form other than their own brain. Several tests would have to be done in order to establish a conclusive result.
The two people would take turns sending and recieving a telepathic signal. Which could start by one person being the sender, and sending a color to the second person. They would write it down, and the reciever would write down the impression he recieves. A light could be in each room to tell the person when the other person has finished "recieving" the signal. There would be 8 colors to be used, so 10 runs each should be sufficient to determine a conclusive result. Of course, neutral persons would have to be present to observe and make sure neither party was cheating.
Then the test could move to something else, such as the sender sending shapes to the other person. Five shapes would be used; a triangle, a circle, a square, a cross, and three parallel wavy lines. Ten runs each should be sufficient for that as well.
The test could also move onto numbers. And words. The possibilities are endless.

However as with any test, many variables effect the outcome. The two people would have to have a very good connection and be confident in their abilities. And what ratio of correct hits would have to be obtained in order to determine the test a success? I have practiced the color routine with a close friend on several occassions, and we have had a 90% success rate on our best day. That's 9 out of 10 right with 8 colors involved. What are those odds?
I think the only problem would be the environment. Psychic abilities are hindered if the people involved are nervous, stressed out, or not believing in their own abilities. There have been cases of people actually getting negative results while guessing the shapes on Zener cards. That is.. where they should, by default, get 10 out of 50 correct even if they are just guessing, some people have consistently gotten 0 out of 50. If anything this proves a psychic ability. These people are subconsciously expecting to be wrong, and are using their psychic abilities to prove themselves right. Of course coincidence could be to blame as well.

Basically the test would first have to determine what the odds are, and then what the percentage of correct 'hits' there would have to be in order to get conclusive results.

But I think something like this could be done. It might take time, but I would love to participate, even though I'm not the worlds best or most efficient telepath. I'll start practicing.


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: ]
    #603972 - 04/10/02 04:09 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Dont hate. I dont see shroomism pressing his ideas and beliefs on anyone. We all share ideas and what we believe in on here, and mixing our ideas with others, and learning new ideas we wouldnt have ever thought of without other people here. This is what makes it fun. What we know isnt always the truth, 2+2 may = 5 who knows. The truth is what we believe, and doesnt matter what others think. Truths may be shared. Whether its true or not is not hte point, its whether you believe it to be true or not, and what you can learn from it. Or something. I think im gonna go make me a ham sandwich


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: ]
    #603989 - 04/10/02 05:01 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Proving the existance of aliens is impossible to do at this time.
Not at all. If they are physical objects then proving their existence is hardly impossible. However, if they are objects of fantasy, then your statement is true.


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Sclorch]
    #604005 - 04/10/02 05:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

The only rules that you must follow are good critical thinking and good logic. Now have at it.




"Critical thinking", eh?
"Good logic", he says...

The fact that you so vigorously uphold the rationilist screed against the existence of aliens leads me to the inevitable conclusion that you're one of them!

The only satisfaction I get from knowing this is that as long as you're here abetting the military-industrial whitewash, you can't be out mutilating cattle with your buddies or conducting invasive bodily probes of right minded Earth folk like myself.


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Clark]
    #604028 - 04/10/02 06:57 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

body probe is a bit of a misnomer
actually they are plugging you in

physical reality? are people referring to the frequencies our senses are tuned into?
light, sound and matter are all simply vibration.....soundwaves, lightwaves....what is the structure of matter? think of ice, water, steam, same thing at different rates of vibration
our senses are set to tune into certain channels on the frequency spectrum, like a radio with pre-programmed stations. so is physical reality just the bandwidths we can tune into?
what are the upper and lower limits to the frequency spectrum?
thru the use of various techniques is it not feasible that we can temporarily and/or partially tune into other frequencies? of course, it just may be static and noise.



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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Clark]
    #604034 - 04/10/02 07:11 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Some of us just happen to like invasive bodily probes!


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Swami]
    #604038 - 04/10/02 07:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i always enjoy the one that goes thru the back of my skull and down my spine, must be sitting up tho, hate taking it lying down.


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Xlea321]
    #604203 - 04/10/02 12:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Alex123
"...why don't you prove aliens don't exist..."

LOL. Don't they teach logic in college nowadays? How does one go about proving a negative?


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: mr crisper]
    #604233 - 04/10/02 01:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Dunno. That one is a little too intense even for this hardened thrill-seeker. I kinda prefer the giant horse needle straight into the stomach...


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Swami]
    #604552 - 04/10/02 07:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

As if aliens have nothing better to do than travel 500 light years to stick a probe up someones ass. A fine example of what a good job the media has done.


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    #604561 - 04/10/02 07:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Some people will pay good money to have that done, do you think aliens are opposed to commuting to work? Alien proctologists are in high demand in my area of the country.


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: ]
    #604566 - 04/10/02 07:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

oh come on, if you had the ability to travel through time and space at will, wouldn't you go out of your way to jam things up people's asses? i know i would

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    #604571 - 04/10/02 07:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Heh


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: ]
    #604710 - 04/10/02 10:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, I think I asked you to Prove that aliens exist with some evidence other than your beloved "experience", not the existence of your "experience" with aliens. I'm not trying to debunk you (I don't have to)... I JUST WANT SOME SIMPLE EVIDENCE.
If you really truly want that, I will give you evidence.
YES. That is what I want and I posit that it does not exist.
Something I can touch that is alien. A piece of alien hardware. Some alien tissue samples. Even a dime-size amount of some alien compound/alloy/element that is not found on earth and did not come from a flaming rock or comet.
So far, you unsuccessfully tap-danced around the first challenge. What's next?

Okay, telepathy...

But I think something like this could be done. It might take time, but I would love to participate, even though I'm not the worlds best or most efficient telepath. I'll start practicing.
You start practicing... until the test proves that telepathy is possible (cross-checking the results with some simple statistics), YOU CANNOT CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE. Sure, you can theorize and imagine, but from now on, I think you should end every post on the subject with a line similar to: Of course, none of this has been proven... it is based mainly on anecdotal evidence/personal experience.

I think this is fair, is it not?


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Sclorch]
    #604727 - 04/10/02 10:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

What?s with all this talk about touching and probing each other in the rectory?

Is this the Catholic Church? ???


Don't get mad if your catholic please -- I was just playing around with your rectum


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Re: Shroomism vs. Reality [Re: Sclorch]
    #604889 - 04/11/02 02:01 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You apparently missed the February "Swami Challenge" where I had a $500 silver Hopi bracelet to give to anyone who could identify it telepathically, clairvoyantly or using remote viewing / astral travel.

You get one guess at the end-result of the one-month challenge...


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