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OfflineSpokesman
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Telepathy
    #2484848 - 03/30/04 08:52 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Why is it that every race of aliens channelers claim that visit our planet communicate telepathically? Are we supposed to be the only dumb asses in the universe who still use language or something???

Which leads to my secound question. What would our world be like if all humans communicated telepathically?? There would be some major differences in pretty much everything from education to national and religious relationships.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2484938 - 03/30/04 09:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Which leads to my secound question. What would our world be like if all humans communicated telepathically??




I think Sprint would go out of business and poker would cease to be fun. And you would know if it was good for them too!


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2485018 - 03/30/04 09:36 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

people always think that aleins are more advanced, ever think that there not and where more advanced...? maybe thats why they havn't found us.
(just a thought, i like to think of aliens as a smarter race then humans, but who knows? *not me :tongue:)


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2485029 - 03/30/04 09:39 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'd like to think of most races smarter than modern day humans...


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2485061 - 03/30/04 09:49 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Sometimes I use telepathy but it happens when I least think about it most of the time. Maybe I should learn how to use my minds power more.
As I am just starting to learn these strange super natural things of the Space.

But strange stuff happens like fans turning on by themselfs. Car alarms going off, pages opening, things rocking back and forth.

When I make things rock back and forth im usually thinking of it happening in my minds eye.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2485177 - 03/30/04 10:16 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

it depends on what you mean.. if people could read thoughts, then there would be a whole seperate branch of mental practices called shielding, to keep others out of your head... if you meant only talking telepathicly when BOTH parties agree too, I think this would have a vast impact on society. I think when the earth first formed and the first homo sapiens walked the earth, they used telekinises and telapathy to better thier lives.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2485218 - 03/30/04 10:28 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Telepathy would be great...until then, people saying what's on their mind would be great too.  I suppose that's asking too much for some people.  (Sigh...women :rolleyes:)

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2Experimental said: I think when the earth first formed and the first homo sapiens walked the earth, they used telekinises and telapathy to better thier lives.



Why do you think this?  And what do you think happened to these abilities?


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2485625 - 03/30/04 11:59 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

You make it sound like we're unable to communicate telepathically. Of course its all up for debate, but I believe it's possible. We only use a small portion of our brain; just think of what we could do if we used even a small portion more..

I think it's more of how to do it consciously and to be able to control it. Haven't you ever sat there and thought of something and someone who you really connect with has thought the same thing, at the same time? Or said the same thing, at the same time?

Regarding aliens.. I think the issue with them is that their minds are what controls them. They are able to access more of their brain, therefore (this is just a thought) they are able to communicate telepathically. The downfall of that is, they are unable to understand emotion. We, on the other hand, use less of our brain, and for the majority, emotion is what runs our lives. My opinion is that it's the opposite for extraterrestrials. Maybe the price that we pay for being able to access a good part, if not all, of our mind, we substitute our ability in regards to emotion.

Just a thought..


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2485676 - 03/31/04 12:16 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

How is your minds eye different from your mind? Is it a different kind of awareness? Is it a different kind of thinking?


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Viaggio]
    #2485685 - 03/31/04 12:20 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyway,
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2Experimental said: I think when the earth first formed and the first homo sapiens walked the earth, they used telekinises and telapathy to better thier lives.





Why do you think this? And what do you think happened to these abilities?





Maybe DNA was altered? DNA is a semiconductor. All you have to do is know what powers it and how to alter it.  :wink: Now who would want to lessen our phychic abilities hmmmm?


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2485720 - 03/31/04 12:36 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

We aren't that dumb... we have the natural ability to use telepathy, but certain filters *cough*ego*cough* that cause us to focus on the denseness of the third density, material plane.. thereby focusing primarily in the waking, conscious state and causing a separation to occur between the conscious, subconscious, and unconscious mind. As telepathy is direct soul-to-soul communication, it is relayed completely through subconscious.

Most humans in third density with fragmented states of consciousness, deem conscious experiences as real and subconscious ones as figments of the mind. The dream state is really the only place where we are completely devoid of conscious thought, and the subconscious is in full control. The rest of the time we are so focused on the material (conscious/ego dominated) plane, that we often ignore the deeper things.

Remember, subconscious is always where humans store their repressed fears and emotions, sometimes creating a block or barrier between the two.. and ego has the innate ability to erase or alter memory of the experience if it threatens it's sense of reality. This complicates conscious telepathy awareness considerably, as a clear connection between the two is necessary for it to occur.

Not to say telepathy doesn't still happen, the mind is divided into three sections, and our 'awareness' resides mostly in the conscious state, getting bits and pieces from the subconscious bleeding through.. but telepathy can still take place even if the conscious mind is completely unaware of it.

All it would take for everyone to start communicating (consciously) through telepathy would be to transcend their fears and repressed emotions, integrate the two hemispheres of the brain, and practice.. dissolve the barrier between the layers and presto..

Telepathy is far superior to verbal communication, in that it not only relays thoughts, but emotions, images.. anything really.. there is no such thing as a language barrier since telepathy is a universal language, there is no distance barrier, and so on. Oh yeah, and you can't lie. Well...you can... just everyone will know.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: sykobish]
    #2485752 - 03/31/04 12:49 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think most aliens are non-emotional. There is only one race I can think of that has zero emotions and functions purely on scientific logic.. the greys. Other than them I think most have perfectly balanced the emotional and logical sides of the brain.

We do not only use a small portion of our brain, we use all of it. The quote was that we only use 10% of it's potential. Our brains are just messed up, because we have a lot artificial (etheric) barriers we have constructed in them to protect our version of reality. We are just not using them to their full potential.

I don't think humans are ruled by emotion. I am certainly not. Humans on Earth have a wide variety of logic-based and emotion-based people, and people that fluctuate between the two. There is a lot of imbalance.. and restoring harmony to both hemispheres of the brain so that they are both equally balanced, is the ideal scenario.

Many aliens are extremely emotional. The can radiate and absorb unconditional love and many very pleasant emotions... they just do not let their emotions control them as it is balanced with logic and rational thinking. Also there is the whole fourth dimension, open chakras, constant connection to the source of creation sort of thing going on.. they understand emotion just fine, but it is balanced with logic and the eternal bliss of existence.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: falcon]
    #2485760 - 03/31/04 12:53 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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How is your minds eye different from your mind? Is it a different kind of awareness? Is it a different kind of thinking?




Its all aspects of the human entity (but not the Ego) put into one thing.
Yes its a different type of thinking, you arent really connected to thee Ego.

People make it like there are all these different existances of reality. But when its really under one big reality.

There are different frequencies of thought. This is fact.

But everything isnt all fractured like people make it.

It is all one whole.

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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2485775 - 03/31/04 12:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, it is whole, but we create imaginary lines between them, just like we do with "countries", and since we think those lines are real, we obey them. After all, thought does create reality.

The yin yang is one object. But we stand in the middle of it looking to the left and say that's a black thing with a white dot.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Shroomism]
    #2485828 - 03/31/04 01:13 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes, it is whole, but we create imaginary lines between them, just like we do with "countries", and since we think those lines are real, we obey them. After all, thought does create reality.

The yin yang is one object. But we stand in the middle of it looking to the left and say that's a black thing with a white dot.




Id have to say you have a good visionary thought of thee Space as do I.

But for some reason duality never bleeds through to the other side.

Thus the Universe must have some kind of split of engery (ie Light, Void). But no matter what both of these split engeries are made from the Creator. I dont think what we imagine of the Universe really has impact at all.

Im not really sure about these aliens. Do you think they are just manifestation of yourself? The whole alien thing really put my mind in a swing. Because they must experience reality the same as every sub type reality from the Source. If they existed per se, then they would not be different then us.

I have high doubts on aliens for some reason. They just dont ring thruth. Sounds like some more human manifestation fantasy to I.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2485834 - 03/31/04 01:15 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Then again, duality is a fantasy in itself.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2485845 - 03/31/04 01:17 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you, Mr. Gubjet.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2485867 - 03/31/04 01:24 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Then again, duality is a fantasy in itself.




Then again... :lol:


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2485872 - 03/31/04 01:28 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

manifestations of myself such as personality, higher self, subconscious.. etc..no..I can tell the difference. Why would you be so certain they would be no different from us? Surely, intelligent life would evolve in similar patterns throughout the universe, but life is quite diverse.. and evolution shows us that things can be quite different depending on their environment and many other factors. Do you really think that with billions of stars in this galaxy alone, and billions of galaxies in the universe, and who knows how many universes...that we are the only ones in the universe on this little planet in the sticks of the milky way?

What's to say that 'aliens' who have the capacity for intergalactic space travel reside in higher densities or vibrations of exitence, having evolved naturally? They do not experience reality the same as us, because we are focused in the third dimension, and they in the fourth and above. Third dimension is material awareness, a very dense vibration, that is ego dominated. We spend most of our waking reality in the "beta" frequency. What if these aliens, residing in a faster, less dense vibration, had no "beta" frequency, no ego or conscious thought available to their reality, they would experience reality at the level of subconsciousness.. or our "delta", "theta" and "alpha" states.

Life is common in the universe, and it comes in many forms. We should embrace this even if it conflicts with our 'false security' of physical reality. Thinking outside the box is a pre-requisite when dealing with higher forms of consciousness, and other species of life. You're not going to teach a dolphin to speak to you in english...based on your rules of communication..it don't work like that. meet in the middle, find a common ground.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Shroomism]
    #2485913 - 03/31/04 01:50 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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manifestations of myself such as personality, higher self, subconscious.. etc..no..I can tell the difference. Why would you be so certain they would be no different from us? Surely, intelligent life would evolve in similar patterns throughout the universe, but life is quite diverse.. and evolution shows us that things can be quite different depending on their environment and many other factors. Do you really think that with billions of stars in this galaxy alone, and billions of galaxies in the universe, and who knows how many universes...that we are the only ones in the universe on this little planet in the sticks of the milky way?

What's to say that 'aliens' who have the capacity for intergalactic space travel reside in higher densities or vibrations of exitence, having evolved naturally? They do not experience reality the same as us, because we are focused in the third dimension, and they in the fourth and above. Third dimension is material awareness, a very dense vibration, that is ego dominated. We spend most of our waking reality in the "beta" frequency. What if these aliens, residing in a faster, less dense vibration, had no "beta" frequency, no ego or conscious thought available to their reality, they would experience reality at the level of subconsciousness.. or our "delta", "theta" and "alpha" states.

Life is common in the universe, and it comes in many forms. We should embrace this even if it conflicts with our 'false security' of physical reality. Thinking outside the box is a pre-requisite when dealing with higher forms of consciousness, and other species of life. You're not going to teach a dolphin to speak to you in english...based on your rules of communication..it don't work like that. meet in the middle, find a common ground.




Isnt Space and the Universe the same thing?

They is life on other planets. But they are maybe forest creatures. Or ape-like creatures just like us. Gazing up at the stars wondering whats out there. But we are so far away, we could never physically meet each other. Mental is possible though.

I guess the debate with aliens is nothing that everyone can %100 have belief in.

As I said before, you make it like that beta to delta are different. When actually there the same thing. When you commit yourself to these boarders (ie 'dimensions') your Ego is doing this and blocking yourself to the truth.

As Space is infinite, endless things that the english could never describe.

Sometimes I wish I could just let myself go from this 3rd rock from a star in the Milkyway.

Also there is something that is amazing. I have some belief that Space has no start and no end. So Void and Space switch back and forth.

Im not sure about the no start and no end theory.

What are your thoughts Shroomism?


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2485920 - 03/31/04 01:52 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The big question does Void exist in the first place?

After we dismiss Void. Duality does not exist anymore.

That makes things go by ones. Not twos.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2485927 - 03/31/04 01:55 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

We can all try to find the truth and talk about semantics etc.

But the real truth is.

It is what it is.

Thats an absolute for sure.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: sykobish]
    #2485972 - 03/31/04 02:11 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

We only use a small portion of our brain..

False! We use 100% of our brains.

Source? I have only debunked this myth a dozen times here, so are you basing this on some research or merely parroting something that you heard?


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2485979 - 03/31/04 02:12 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Are we supposed to be the only dumb asses in the universe who still use language or something???

Why we would be considered dumb for not having an imaginary power?


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2485982 - 03/31/04 02:14 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Technically, I guess.. everything is the same thing.

But perhaps the reality is such that creation or whatever source of infinite universe has split itself into an infinite number of 'cells' that composes all of existence and non... for you see eternity is rather boring, and boredom leads to destructive tendencies. but anyway, the universe is teeming with life and death, space and void, spirit and physical, all these aspects of itself for which to gain experience and evolution.

dimensions are not mental borders, they are vibrational frequencies. It is a way of classifying the vibration of sub-atomic particles in all things from the most dense physical to the least dense energy. There are an infinite number of 'overtones' within each dimension or density. Existence is multidimensional, it just happens that we focus on the material plane mostly. I am aware that all mind states and dimensions are the same thing, just recognizing their obvious differences, the sum of which contributes to the whole. It's like musical tones.

As far as Space having no start or end, I couldn't tell you. I tried to the find it, but I went so far and just kept finding more galaxies and more universes. I finally had to turn around at some point.. but I went pretty far. It's all probably just one cell of an infinite stream of energy twirling and spiralling within itself in an endless void.

I don't know really.. but I do know that human is a pretty common form for intelligent life to evolve in, though inside sources say that it also comes in many 'strange' forms.  :shocked:


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Shroomism]
    #2486019 - 03/31/04 02:34 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Dont time and eternity keep eachother at bay? Sort of a symbiotic relation of some kind.

Isnt the Universe and Space the same thing?

Arent boredom and destructive actions only man made?

I try to put our solar system in the centre of the Space. Just makes thinks alot easier with astral travel or even picturing Space.

PM me about your thoughts on astral travel. As I am pretty new to this idea.
I want to learn more...


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2486040 - 03/31/04 02:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It's all symbiotic..time and eternity.. time is actually the rate of flow of the cycles of planets and all things, and is not always a constant. eternity is the endless cycle of 'time'.

boredom is just a human concept, but it's the best I had to work with using english.. such limitations. but creation and destruction is universal.. and as we are a part of that system and a manifestation of that source we actually have the same potential as the original..

you want to fly don't you.. all you have to do to blast away is activate your merkaba... try breathing for starters


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Swami]
    #2486153 - 03/31/04 03:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Are we supposed to be the only dumb asses in the universe who still use language or something???

Why we would be considered dumb for not having an imaginary power?




Imaginary power? Because you aren't capable of it?


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2486402 - 03/31/04 08:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

My alien experience via telepathy:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=b41f5eb0149398f31006887b8634d07b&threadid=31142

Do you think there will be a rush for flood insurance? maybe I'll receive a commission.

(Deceit is the prevalent characteristic of my hyper-femminine-muse...so I'm not taking it seriously.)


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Re: Telepathy [Re: castaway]
    #2486488 - 03/31/04 09:25 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry but ihave not read the thread but I dont simply beleive in this, what i do beleive in is that a person can pick up subconcious cues from other people and read them which could be played of as telepathy. As for any experiments with thoes cards tests I think probability could play a bit in like after the wavey lines whats the probability of it turnng up again aginst the other cards. I guess over time you could even learn to blag one of them, some poker players can do this easily thats a reason some are not allowed to play in vagas ect.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2486806 - 03/31/04 12:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

intresting feedback, thanx.
Well first off by telepathy i ment as a form of communication not as the ability to read minds. I also never stated that i belived this ability is real. I was simply questioning why many people belive this is really our universal communication method and that language, our current communication method is some sort of dumb animals way to communicate. As far as i know there isn't any solid evidance that this is our next step in the evolution of our minds. So it seems odd to me that people who claim to channel diffrent advanced lifeforms in diffrent parts of this galaxy all claim this to be the common form of communication in this universe. As if none of them communicate through language.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2486844 - 03/31/04 01:15 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Some do communicate through language..within their own culture.. languages vary from very coarse and guttural sounds with hissing and growls, to tonal languages similar to chinese, to toned and harmonic..to very german or italian sounding languages..to name a few.

But telepathy is the universal language. It has many advantages over verbal communication, and therefore becomes the preferred method of communication between different species and such. And verbal language becomes something that is really only used for expression with beings of the same culture.. one exception I can think of is the Venus beings residing in the 4th density..who use a combination of telepathy and throat emanations which can reverberate for many minutes at a time.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: EvilGir]
    #2487226 - 03/31/04 03:52 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

one thing to keep in mind is that telepathy isn't the same as speaking to someone...it's not a matter of 'saying' something in a conversational manner - but rather relaying certain emotions or ideas through thoughts (as opposed to words)

so what you might consider mearly 'subconscious cues' might in fact be exactly what everyone else here is refferring to when they use the term telepathy...it just might not seem that way to you because it seems a lot of people invision telepathy the way it's portrayed in movies an shit - as spoken words that are transfered through thought - as a regular conversation which isn't ever actually verbally spoken


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Shroomism]
    #2487316 - 03/31/04 04:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Some do communicate through language..within their own culture.. languages vary from very coarse and guttural sounds with hissing and growls, to tonal languages similar to chinese, to toned and harmonic..to very german or italian sounding languages..to name a few.

But telepathy is the universal language. It has many advantages over verbal communication, and therefore becomes the preferred method of communication between different species and such. And verbal language becomes something that is really only used for expression with beings of the same culture.. one exception I can think of is the Venus beings residing in the 4th density..who use a combination of telepathy and throat emanations which can reverberate for many minutes at a time.




I thought aliens would all talk in tones and in music. Some say music and art are the universal language.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2487572 - 03/31/04 05:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I alway think of telepathy as like waht the elephant use as communication which is a growl so low it is unable to be comprehended by the human ear. And reasercher were astonished by what they found because when matching up to video with the sound, they found no movment of the lip, mouth, etc. when they made these low rumbles, which by elephants can be heard up to and a little beyond 2 miles.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2488121 - 03/31/04 09:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Well, they are too.. for they emphasize creation and creative process.
But realize that music and art can both be shared through telepathy..
Like Mystical_Craven said.. it is not words, audible language.. it is thought transfer, and one can relay emotions, information, images, music, art, experiences.. it's like a really advanced invisible mental internet. The inner net.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Shroomism]
    #2488215 - 03/31/04 09:55 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Life would be even more interesting if someone could demonstrate telepathy (at will).


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Re: Telepathy [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2488450 - 03/31/04 10:59 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

>I think when the earth first formed and the first homo sapiens walked the earth, they used telekinises and telapathy to better thier lives.
-If this were true, language would have never formed.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2488579 - 03/31/04 11:58 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

(skeptical white agnostic male initiate)

S.W.A.M.I. ?


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Swami]
    #2489461 - 04/01/04 03:04 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Earlier today I figured that coincidence causes selective memory, because even though I never saw that before... I'm going to see some sort of bizarre pig latin version of your name every time.
Y.S.W.A.M.

If it was an "I", though, I would have been so scared I probably would have converted to a religion.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2489529 - 04/01/04 03:36 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Can one man inflict pain on another if the victim is able to let the man striking him know how he truly feels? Would any arguement even reach this level??. Would we have had a Hitler, Saddam or Bin Laden if they were able to feel the emotions of all their victims crying to them at once??

I also doubt that you wouldn't be able to lie. I mean this violates the code of the universe that protects our privacy. I mean, if anything we would probably have choice over what to output or not. I think the privacy of my mind and the right to choose what to do with that information is the most sacred jewel in my life.


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Re: Telepathy [Re: Spokesman]
    #2489570 - 04/01/04 04:06 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What would win in a fight, a flying shark or a flying crocodile?
I said the flying shark, and lost. The thing about coincidence is you never notice when it's of no importance. Then you'll have a conversation or get your car painted and all of a sudden you start to notice a magazine on the walmart rack that relates to the conversation and notice how many cars have the same color as your new one.


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