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lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz
    #21746826 - 05/31/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sup, anyone read cosmic trigger by Robert anton wilson, or any of his other books?

Ever since reading that book, the idea of using LSD to "unlock" parts of my mind sounds very appealing. Has anyone experimented with this before?

I am getting into mystical eastern religion and esoteric western occult stuff. Meditation, pranayama, magick, etc. I have read a lot about it, because it fascinates me, but I'm not too successful at any of them yet. I have been practicing concentration meditation for about one and a half years, with mediocre results but still better than nothing.

I want to take lsd to jump start my spiritual journey. I want crazy experiences that last an entire lifetime. I want to get rid of all these mental roadblocks that I've accumulated in my life. Lots of neurosis and procrastination and anxiety and depression.

Robert Anton Wilson wrote about experiences with seeing gods and aliens and leprechauns(seriously) during his trips, and then after his trips in his daily life. When I tripped(on RC's only) a couple years ago, I never experienced anything that crazy. All I got was a trippy headspace and standard psychedelic experiences, but nothing so profound as conversing with deities and actually seeing them when the chemicals are gone from my body.

So how can I ensure that my next psychedelic experience will be like Robert Wilson's, and not like my previous ones?


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21746926 - 06/01/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

R.A.W. had his experiences and you'll have your's, not his. Besides, Astral Plane phenomena are fascinating, but that is the problem - fascination. Magickal things fascinate the rational mind so accustomed to the Physical Plane and the senses which perceive it. The subtle plane phenomena may prevent further spiritual progress through the Causal Plane to Non-Duality wherein the Truth of Reality shines. Zen Buddhists call fixation on paranormal phenomena 'makyo,' illusory. if you acknowledge these planes, there is a good chance that you'll see the occasional phasing in and out of such things. I did, along with my ex-wife and our sheepdog who raised her head and tilted it in curiosity. We thought a rat or opossum had gotten into the house, but it was just another of those momentary ovoid, grey moving 'things' that appear and disappear in the shadows. My current wife saw 'duppies' climb out of a mango tree when she moved to Jamaica at age 7 from London. Nobody told her about cloaked, top-hatted entities. Once in a while, we'll see something move on the floor by our grandfather clock. Projections? Astral critters? Neurological glitches? Hallucinations? Whatever. Nothing to spend your life on.

Yes, I read Cosmic Trigger long ago and traded the book. There is little more fascinating than occult matters, but fascination can detract from the more practical and important process of Self-Realization which has nothing to do with 'externals' or psychic powers (siddhis). LSD and other psychedelics can be used to help one experience what otherwise remains as mere platitudes or concepts, but it is useful to have an experienced guide at least at the outset. It is instructive to have a "Man of Knowledge" to bounce one's thoughts off of to do Reality checks. This would be a psychedelic guide, but psychopomps (soul-guides) are not found in the Yellow Pages® or Yelp.

You really do not want "crazy experiences" unless you foolishly think there is value in precipitating schizophrenia. What you should aim for are experiences that wake you up to the unconscious assumptions that you have been robotically acting out, reducing the neuroses you wisely named, and the cultivation of mental health, NOT craziness.  You do not know what mental illness entails so you should cease and desist inviting it. That's tantamount to invoking a demon that you are ill-equipped to handle. Same deal. Non-ordinary reality is not the same thing as mental illness. Psychedelics are not psychotomimetic - mimicking psychosis - as once believed, but they can elicit psychosis in people who have that process brewing in the unconscious. Be careful what you ask for, and choose wisely.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21746971 - 06/01/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do want to wake up, and I think crazy experiences are what I need to be able to wake up. Maybe I do need a little bit of schizophrenia, because my mind is far too grounded. I know from your perspective I sound naive and dumb, but trust me I have thought this through for a long time. You can't dive into magick and occult when your mind is incredibly grounded into the materialistic reality. I need something to shake up my perception.

For what I'm looking for, how much do you think my dosage should be? I plan on just meditating by myself in my room for the duration of the trip.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21747069 - 06/01/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I do want to wake up, and I think crazy experiences are what I need to be able to wake up. Maybe I do need a little bit of schizophrenia, because my mind is far too grounded. I know from your perspective I sound naive and dumb, but trust me I have thought this through for a long time. You can't dive into magick and occult when your mind is incredibly grounded into the materialistic reality. I need something to shake up my perception.

For what I'm looking for, how much do you think my dosage should be? I plan on just meditating by myself in my room for the duration of the trip.




I do not think you're "dumb," but naive just means young and therefore inexperienced. There is no such thing as "a little bit of schizophrenia," and if that disease is not latent you will not develop it. However, failure to handle the onslaught of too much data can precipitate a transient psychotic episode, which are usually 'punished' in hospitals with restraints and unnecessary blood tests under bright light and other unpleasantries, not to mention legal problems with law enforcement, thereby creating an even worse situation than the original psychological one.

I'm not in a position to recommend any dosage level to you for a variety of reasons, the first one being that you sound uncertain about the methodology of using psychedelics. One does not want to leave physical reality( and become psychotic) so much as to experience Reality as Mind, and to Realize that materiality, molecules, atoms, originated from formless energy before it cooled into particles and hence matter. Further, that the primordial energy originated from a Mystery that was present prior to the physical universe. In other words, the origin of the physical is metaphysical, and being eternal, it co-exists with materiality, Here & Now. So whatever you decide to take, pick up a copy of BE HERE NOW and read the first part before you embark, and the core book during. That is my recommendation. :wink: Nice spacey Grateful Dead riffs and Ravi Shankar ragas have always been my preferred musical accompaniment to this kind of thing. Just sayin'.




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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21749868 - 06/01/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The only help I can give you is my experience and what has worked for me, but remember, this is just my experience.

First of all, you don't want LSD, what you want is cactus, fly agaric mushrooms and marijuana. Stay away from synthetics.

Next, you need to study the spiritual path in depth so you at least have some idea of what directions NOT to go in. Study whatever teachers/teachings you feel drawn to. I can recommend a few things if you want. I highly recommend studying at least one path that incorporates God and worship of God.

Lastly, markos is older and wiser than I am and I hate disagreeing with him but in this case, I must steer you away from the grateful dead. I say this as a deadhead myself, who has spent many hours tripping to their music.

As wonderful and ecstatic their music is, as I have grown spiritually I have begun to observe the effects of different music on my energy field and I am about 98% sure that the music of the grateful dead causes one's energy to flow in the wrong direction. What you want is classical music, spiritual music, religious music, or shamanic music. Yesterday while listening to native american peyote music, I could feel my energy collecting within me in the exact opposite direction as I experience listening to the grateful dead.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Deviate] * 1
    #21750508 - 06/01/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well, you can disagree all you want, but the Grateful Dead evokes joy for the most part, not head trips. I'm not talking about their cowboy songs, I'm talking about their inspired Garcia-Hunter and Weir-Barlow songs, their improvisational space into drums, their insertion of songs-within-songs which stretch the outer song like taffy, changing one's sense of time radically. When the dosage gets very high classic Indian sitar by Ravi Shankar (selected ragas) is the way to go. Western classic music is WAY too structured and confining. Garcia's first solo album from track 5 to 10 will, even for experienced tripper, take one back to before one's birth into a realm of ecstatic joy. There is nothing in my musical repertoire that is more potent. Don't believe me, just try it. Grateful Dead is uniquely "rock music in a jazz idiom," but that does not explain anything. Do this guy a favor and desist from recommending Handel's Messiah, Bach's Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring or Gregorian chants because you are into Christian religiosity. He needs to remain WIDE OPEN. So instead of paying lip-service to my age and wisdom, actually trust my advice for his benefit. The Grateful Dead sound is a 'cosmic canvas,' a wide open space for his mind to expand into. BE HERE NOW is interdenominational. Let his spiritual path be shown him by the Spirit, not you or me. 



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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21750679 - 06/01/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not even worth getting embroiled in arguments that come down to nothing more than personal preference.  I love The Dead.  My favorite years were 77-79, and I personally love to hear Donna Godchaux wail..... honestly don't think I've ever taken a trip where The Dead didn't sneak its way into it for at least a little while..

One of my wildest trips w/ music was John McLaughlin Shakti on 200ug of LSD + 3.5g of some strain of psilocybin shrooms.....

Honestly, having a gentle soul has nothing to do with what music you listen to....

I've met people who listen to death metal with more peace of mind than I've ever witnessed from some strange characters whose posts I read around these parts :shrug:.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21750713 - 06/01/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

'Sup, anyone read cosmic trigger by Robert anton wilson, or any of his other books?

Ever since reading that book, the idea of using LSD to "unlock" parts of my mind sounds very appealing. Has anyone experimented with this before?

I am getting into mystical eastern religion and esoteric western occult stuff. Meditation, pranayama, magick, etc. I have read a lot about it, because it fascinates me, but I'm not too successful at any of them yet. I have been practicing concentration meditation for about one and a half years, with mediocre results but still better than nothing.

I want to take lsd to jump start my spiritual journey. I want crazy experiences that last an entire lifetime. I want to get rid of all these mental roadblocks that I've accumulated in my life. Lots of neurosis and procrastination and anxiety and depression.

Robert Anton Wilson wrote about experiences with seeing gods and aliens and leprechauns(seriously) during his trips, and then after his trips in his daily life. When I tripped(on RC's only) a couple years ago, I never experienced anything that crazy. All I got was a trippy headspace and standard psychedelic experiences, but nothing so profound as conversing with deities and actually seeing them when the chemicals are gone from my body.

So how can I ensure that my next psychedelic experience will be like Robert Wilson's, and not like my previous ones?'



hello my friend :smile:

thank you for sharing such info and the rest;

I've never read RAW's books but I've heard him referred to fondly here, so that's cool. 


the - not trio - quatro? hehe


that I recommend best are like A. Watts; John C. Lilly, Terence McKenna and. . .


who is that fourth?

well I forgot the 4th for now haha, so trio applies.



Anyway they're nice and good; very intelligent and full of good ideas for the most part. . . the former and the latter are most interesting to me.



It sounds like you are absolutely on the right path with meditation and study, and I commend and applaud you very much for these. . .


they will be of benefit - with any luck, of which I believe you are in much possession - throughout life, and what progress we make in certain things is lasting.

as the sage Vivekananda expressed it, 'Every step I make in the Light is mine forever.


Yes, I have experimented with it - and it was a very, very personal and beautiful experience, which if you like, I would share with you.


Alan Watts' book Joyous Cosmology is written about LSD experience, and based in the framework which he writes in the beginning of LSD, mescaline and mushrooms as medicines for the mind - when they are used in a fashion for such;

there are many factors, nat'rally. 


His book is exceptionally beautiful and elucidating.  It's also written in a high language - not sure how else to describe it, it's transcendental in effect.



He was working on the continuation of Huxley's work essentially.




What you describe about meditation is very wonderful to hear -


What I mean is - this is very common to begin with;



All these things will come very naturally in time, and you will achieve all that you wish for in spiritual matters, if you have it in you (which we all do),


Cause and effect apply always.


I've studied these things for most all my life, and practiced, grew up in beautiful country --


in fact as I have understood more; I learned more about where I really came from,


in any case, the great peace and joy I have found thru-out all this journey is very wonderful,

It is free,


I will be around here at least for the foreseeable future and would be happy to discuss any of these topics with you at any time,

if you wish.



Occult phenomena is generally considered a distraction, it is true.




Probably the very best attitude toward un-ordinary powers is non-attachment.





It is very benevolent a wish to aspire to higher consciousness; and it is very good of you to engage in searching for deeper things in this lifetime,


And you will attain them, if your karma is good: You will get exactly to where you want to be.


Indeed, even the aspiration for liberation with the intention of kindness for living beings is a good thing. 



'I want crazy experiences that last an entire lifetime.'


What you are expressing here is very clear, and very beautiful to me.


It is an expression of adventure, and the rest -


I am very pleased and gladdened to see your aspiration, and such aspiration and confidence is a very, very good thing.


This statement that you make - may be misunderstood by some, because it is not written in their language;



Indeed every human being expresses their self in a different fashion, and each is unique and very wonderful in their own way.


As years - lifetimes - go on, we learn new ways of expression, etc., etc., etc.



Lots of neurosis and procrastination and anxiety and depression.


This, to me, mostly represents normalcy - these are a part of the whole system of life -

One day, with any luck, they will be so far in the mirror they have become really nothing;


and I promise, with everything I believe in, it's very possible. :smile:


The same thing which once may have seemed a bother, may one day become great insight into the universality of these things.


The fact that every life is sacred, and worthy of respect and kindness.


Among others.



Your questions, to me, come from a great deal of thought put into this, and indicate a lot of intelligence.


I simply read the last paragraph again. :smile:



Your 1.5 years of practice and meditation indicate to me a great deal of sincerity on your part,

and this is very good to see.


Sincerity indeed, is one of the highest traits or qualities, for certain.



I am very glad to see your post and the thought you have put into this - it is quite commendable,

my friend.



One good advice I may have to say is 'Don't worry, Be happy' :wink:


Simplistic of course, and I just randomly went to the second part of it - what I mean is, about worth -


Your worth is immeasurable; as is the value of every living being; etc.



I would say that, personally, Western occult stuff is something I view as to be avoided, I have not seen it to be of benefit or necessary.


However, this is a personal preference, please feel free to take or disregard as you feel is the best.


Eastern wisdom has much to be said for it - Western wisdom is equally valuable,



each has different emphases - Eastern has certain benefits, and Western has certain benefits.



You'll get where you wish to go - and, if you do have access to legitimate LSD, congratulations.


I would make sure you trust your source - this would seem to be an important thing today, as there is more fake LSD than previously.


From what I understand, dose recommendations are not really allowed here - I am free to say however, that 2 hits was all I needed, to reach the very highest level, and I do not know the need for anything more.


Again let me just randomly state - it is very good of you to share with us your good and well-thought out questions.


And joy and gratitude, from my part at least. :sun:



One other - Totally random fact of life, the universe, and nature I have discovered -


Emerson put it this way: every (hu)man has a Genius.



I have honestly come to see that this was more true than I could ever have imagined.


Every human being has a Genius, or the Genius, and if you explore this one idea, you will find it very fruitful (I would say)


Just a very fascinating fact of human nature; intelligence is so funny that way, what I have found is that this is completely true; and since it seems to be this way completely,

that any human can reach the highest levels of love, understanding, and the rest -

and that inborn intelligence is not the sole qualifier, or even the most prevailing,


is one of the more fascinating aspects of existence I have come across, and seen to be true and verified after many years of consideration;


also, it would very clearly seem to invalidate much of the previous thought of intelligence,

displacing it, as it were.




Dear friend -

If you reach the heights of consciousness, I sincerely wish you write poetry about it, for the rest of your life.


Or let it affect your life in a positive way.


From one stranger, yet open-heart and friend - to another friend - it is a very sensitive and delicate topic;


yet I do feel with all my heart that you may indeed have the experience you wish to,


if the circumstances are correct,


and it is very possible to return to the states you wish to as well; be it in terms of peace and health, or be it in terms of visuals.


For me, the emphasis was more on the former.



One reason I mention poetry is that poetry is perhaps the best means of expression of higher states of consciousness,


as it is possible to express them in metaphor, where they may be understood without telling secrets,


etc.



Don't let another's failures ever hold you back; this is one of the primary, principle truths of life. . .

as Rumi expressed it,

'Don't be satisfied with how things have gone before, let your own life unfold itself.'


Or maybe he said story.  Either way.



Compassion, empathy, deep peace, great joy and love are all states I have understood in psychadelic visions, and was later able to embody in full;


Don't let anything discourage you from what you know is true.



Though you have spent 1.5 years on this - which is really a good amount, and quite sufficient in many aspects,


I do also recommend if you have a chance, spend another 2 weeks or so, also engaged in spiritual practice;


Before hand - or do whatever it is that brings the most peace --- the most joy --- the most life, vitality, health,

and

good mental state,

to yourself, because I do believe it is very possible to have a good trip. :wink:



DMT also is produced naturally by the brain when we are sleeping - just an interesting thought.



For me, personally, my journey was a little less about meeting and greeting deities - I had been an essentially atheist for 6 or 7 years before I became an agnostic, pantheist and eventually, eventually toyed around with the idea of a Personality of God;


Over the years I've come to understand, both impersonal God and personal God are true;


If one's heart is pure, and one knows who one is, and enacts kindness and gentleness with others,


it is not really all that important at all what words one puts on it.  Both are legitimate pathways to the Divine.



With much gratitude and kindness in my heart, I am here if you wish to discuss any of these topics.



In terms of how one can direct one's trip on LSD - this is a very good point.


(I'm reminded of classical transcendental discussions, where the Buddha would say to his friends - very good question!  - much paraphrased of course, and for the most part said in a more eloquent and beautiful fashion. . .

also I am not at all suggesting I am above you in any way; for well I know that equality is the main necessity for friendship! :smile:)



it looks good from where I'm sitting, is what I mean. :smile:




Anyway - how to direct one's trip is a good point. . and the practices - meditations -  you have done thus far are,

in essence,

the main thing necessary.





I would also very much recommend writing poetry. :smile:




It doesn't have to be good by any means, simply an expression of feeling, of beauty, of love, of experience -- whatever you love, feel and experience --

in a beautiful way if possible --


that is what poetry is to me; and practicing it seems to exercise one's skill at expression in the same way that studying chess does for chess; or riding a bicycle,


or climbing a tree.


Different skills utilize different pathways of progression; anyway, writing hundreds/ thousands of poems is the best way for learning how to express oneself very clearly in words,


and also doing so is a very good means of reflection and generation of positive energy.


I merely offer it as a humble suggestion. :smile: :sun:



But practice is quite useful -- spending time with nature, all of the rest.




To fully heal oneself is actually a quite straightforward process; whatever means are ideal for you will be unique to you,


yet I am certain there are universals.



Overcoming bitterness and doubt for example, is a great liberation and happiness. 


It is possible to be free of - fear, anger and worry - so completely, to leave them behind so completely that they literally become nothing. . .


and in my life I have found this is really the true value of life - at least on this material plane. . .


Possibly, all these earthly qualities have their counter part in the divine.




To get to your question of how to direct one's trip -- self-understanding is the main thing;




Which, of course, as I have known since very early childhood -- we all have; an important point!


There is a very odd meme floating out there that says you can't know yourself. :smile:


[Since my very early childhood I have known that this was completely silly -- everyone knows themselves 100% --


The most one could say is that sometimes people forget, haha.


The point is - we have always been with ourselves every step of the way, etc., etc.

These are very basic and generic things, I went on a slight tangent here, I'll get back on topic.]



Anyway - nonetheless, self-understanding is one of the main considerations in this;


Also - stillness, you know? 


That's the fascinating topic of much discussion of meditation - how to still one's mind, to allow deeper levels of concentration to arise:



The answer, I have found, is most expediently attained through healing and self-trust.



Seng Ts'an wrote an epic poem about self-trust and basically praised it as the highest thing;


Countless other brilliant students of the universe have said things similar,


Goethe for example: As soon as you trust yourself, you know how to live.  (Slightly paraphrased).




So - stillness is very excellent, very useful; and healing is the best key to get there --


That is, once heart,

mind,

body, are healed completely; once self-trust is really attained,  then it becomes almost instantly, second nature to return to calmness, to peace, to positivity (if that is your wish).


How this happens for you is entirely up to you. :smile:



Distinguishing between truth and illusion is a very useful thing.



To really be able to sense the energies, and feel what energy and effect is going on - that is one of the most powerful tools for elucidation, for illumination, and for deeper understandings.




To practice the method of getting in touch with the present moment -- what is going on in the present with us, here and now -- that is a very useful key in development, strength, healing, and the rest on this process, this path of spirit.




To attain a state of non-regression - those are states from which one never falls - is truly one of the most joyous things,


they are seen in every tradition;

and their elucidation can be found in many places,


in many ways,


in many colors.



There are also essentially an unlimited number of these shelters -- this is my own view of the universe;

it is connected to some others', and not very similar to yet some others.



It is only one aspect of it --



There is often a back-and-forth that goes on in life; between truth and doubt; between error and certainty; between fear and love.


A lot of the old posts on this forum do discuss this topic of love and fear, and it's fairly interesting -- they divide all energies into essentially these two camps; l and f, and it's just another interesting way of looking at it.




There are also innumerable analogies and ways of looking at spiritual development and progression --



One is like pouring water on a fire; Yet another is getting a dry cloth wet --


In the latter universe, often the phrase, 'Why or how come was one trying to get wet, when one is floating or swimming in the ocean?'


fascinating and nice.

:smile:

:sun:



Fascination is a wonderful thing, by the way, it is the primary way of which we learn -- we only really learn about something if we are fascinated by it --



And indeed, one of, or possibly the best way, of teaching info (for example, in a public school system)


is to get people fascinated by something: and actually, the one who is teaching may often best ignite others' interest for something, by their own fascination with the topic.


Be it chess, Australian history, or anything, this is a tried and true method, and it is a good example of Western wisdom alluded to earlier.




Another of course, similar to pouring water on a burning fire, is the cooling off idea. . .


In Japan, there is the saying, 'Hot feet, cool head,'



As well as other lovelies such as 'fill the belly 4/5ths full' (a good secret to longevity :smile:)



Also, one of my favorites, is, 'Go up on the mountain, but then come back down,' this is referring to spirituality in fact, and it's worth discussion in its own merit, different topic.



Anyhow - being at peace helps greatly in many matters of understanding and the rest -- another vast topic I won't open up completely here.


To simply share another quote, 'When we are calm, we get the most work done,' etc.-



And this applies in daily living, and all spheres, and applies equally if not more potently to psychadelic excursions into higher consciousness.



May this all be of good health, joy, to both you and myself, dear friend evenbreak.



There is much I left untouched upon; indeed the majority of the topic. . I rarely get to 2000 words in a post, but I sort of felt this one merited it (may be only 1500).  Indeed short and sweet is usually best - heck, 20 words! :smile:  And nowadays most of my posts are much fewer, more like 20 or so.



Anyway, much peace and joy to you, dear friend, and look forward to hearing how your journey went, when and if you decide to embark, return, and share.

:smile: :sun:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak] * 1
    #21751371 - 06/02/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Sup, anyone read cosmic trigger by Robert anton wilson, or any of his other books?

Ever since reading that book, the idea of using LSD to "unlock" parts of my mind sounds very appealing. Has anyone experimented with this before?

I am getting into mystical eastern religion and esoteric western occult stuff. Meditation, pranayama, magick, etc. I have read a lot about it, because it fascinates me, but I'm not too successful at any of them yet. I have been practicing concentration meditation for about one and a half years, with mediocre results but still better than nothing.

I want to take lsd to jump start my spiritual journey. I want crazy experiences that last an entire lifetime. I want to get rid of all these mental roadblocks that I've accumulated in my life. Lots of neurosis and procrastination and anxiety and depression.

Robert Anton Wilson wrote about experiences with seeing gods and aliens and leprechauns(seriously) during his trips, and then after his trips in his daily life. When I tripped(on RC's only) a couple years ago, I never experienced anything that crazy. All I got was a trippy headspace and standard psychedelic experiences, but nothing so profound as conversing with deities and actually seeing them when the chemicals are gone from my body.

So how can I ensure that my next psychedelic experience will be like Robert Wilson's, and not like my previous ones?




I've read Cosmic Trigger. Reading that book was a pivotal moment in my spiritual journey and really altered my perceptions on a massive scale. It is a good starting point, but eventually you have to move on from there. When I read it, I wasn't so much worried about having a psychedelic experience like RAW. I was interested in the occult things he talked about, and that really got me digging deeper into western and eastern mystical ideas.

I understand your desire to replicate the experience RAW had with psychedelics, but as Markos has said, you are not RAW, so your experiences will not be the same. Psychedelics do have the ability to alter perceptions, but they are also highly unpredictable and can be a huge distraction on the spiritual path.

What a lot of people don't realise (or don't have the discipline to discover) is that the profound experiences you have on psychedelics can also be achieved through meditation and spiritual practice. It takes a certain amount of discipline, practicing every day, but the results are far more rewarding, lucid, and stable than anything you could ever experience by taking a drug.

I realise that the full blown psychedelic experience might be something that you really feel you need to do. I did when I first set out on my path. But I really echo what Markos said. Be careful what you wish for and try to be safe. The psychedelic experience might be interesting, and may give you certain insights, but it ultimately is a distraction from self-realisation.

As Alan Watts said "When you get the message, hang up the phone."


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: PocketLady]
    #21751961 - 06/02/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

+1 to you, Pocket Lady.



I would say to put it simply; it all depends on where you came from, and where you are.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21751978 - 06/02/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Or also, if you have no fear, it will show you are.

If you do have fear, it will not.


Humans are nearly infinite complex, and also nearly infinite simple; yet it does come down to this.



So heal of all negativity first, then you can see a lot of beauty;


Watts' message is essentially, once you see it, let it go and go on with your life;




or at its most basic and essential: there is no reason to go back "there," because "there" is always here.


That's the simplest and most beautiful way I can think of to express it.

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Lilly expressed an interesting thought - he said, ' you gotta forget all this and live and play out your life as a human. ' along those lines.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime] * 1
    #21751996 - 06/02/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You are always going to get the trip you need, never the trip you want. Just sit back and watch the show.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21752025 - 06/02/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

nice post.


so therefore a good idea would be to spend a while unifying one's energy beforehand. :smile: :mushroom2: as always.


would give it several +'s actually if I could, G.E. :smile:

:sunny:


btw is it nice in amsterdam?  a line i love of a song i like is 'in amsterdam i'll see my lady'


i know it's the same everywhere but yeah. :smile:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21752058 - 06/02/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All is well in Amsterdam :laugh:

If you love cities with a rich history and all kinds of different people than you'll love Amsterdam. Definitely worth a visit. But be sure to talk to locals as there are two completely different cities to explore... The local one is hidden amidst all the tourist traps.



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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21752079 - 06/02/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Aha! I do understand. :smile:

I always have been that way myself. . honestly even if I were a millionaire I would prefer to go without any fanfare, and probably seek the real instead of the apparent in any situation. . . camping, backpacking, and network with genuine and sincere individuals :smile:


it'll be a few years before I travel, as I am takin' it slow :smile: but I will someday.


Thx for the link I will watch it when I come back online


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21752085 - 06/02/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The link is just for shits and giggles. But good ones.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21753021 - 06/02/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's not even worth getting embroiled in arguments that come down to nothing more than personal preference.  I love The Dead.  My favorite years were 77-79, and I personally love to hear Donna Godchaux wail..... honestly don't think I've ever taken a trip where The Dead didn't sneak its way into it for at least a little while..

One of my wildest trips w/ music was John McLaughlin Shakti on 200ug of LSD + 3.5g of some strain of psilocybin shrooms.....

Honestly, having a gentle soul has nothing to do with what music you listen to....

I've met people who listen to death metal with more peace of mind than I've ever witnessed from some strange characters whose posts I read around these parts :shrug:.




I'm not arguing, and I'm not comparing, I'm simply insisting! :lol: Have you ever experienced track 5-10 of said album at the peak of a trip? If you haven't, you don't grok what I'm sharing. Those tracks were clearly engineered to elicit an of metempsychosis. I HIGHLY recommend it if you can get your hands on a copy. Not every one I've tried to turn onto it can handle it, but I assure anyone reading this that it ends BEAUTIFULLY!


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21753549 - 06/02/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have, 'tis a good album, though Garcia in the studio has never been my personal preference.

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
You can't let go and you can't hold on
You can't go back and you can't stand still
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I don't like engineered, I like risks, I like chances of failure, maybe it will be a bad show.... maybe some extraordinary magic will happen.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21753979 - 06/02/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

when I was 12,


never had heard of the Grateful Dead, and I got a hold of Skeletons From the Closet -

'nuff said.

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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21753993 - 06/02/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I have, 'tis a good album, though Garcia in the studio has never been my personal preference.

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
You can't let go and you can't hold on
You can't go back and you can't stand still
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will


I don't like engineered, I like risks, I like chances of failure, maybe it will be a bad show.... maybe some extraordinary magic will happen.




Live shows were one thing, and they are a thing of the past. Now I engineer set & setting and I still get results from this myself as well as with those who haven't Really heard those tracks in the optimal state. Sometimes, in the safety of my house during a trip I can't even imagine how I used to dose among loud crowds, bright lights, and the over-stimulation of huge shows. Oh yeah, I do remember freaking out and leaving Englishtown soon after Dead came on. Speed to wake up from camping and two 400 mcg nickle-sized blotters. :eek:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21754007 - 06/02/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Well, you can disagree all you want, but the Grateful Dead evokes joy for the most part, not head trips. I'm not talking about their cowboy songs, I'm talking about their inspired Garcia-Hunter and Weir-Barlow songs, their improvisational space into drums, their insertion of songs-within-songs which stretch the outer song like taffy, changing one's sense of time radically. When the dosage gets very high classic Indian sitar by Ravi Shankar (selected ragas) is the way to go. Western classic music is WAY too structured and confining. Garcia's first solo album from track 5 to 10 will, even for experienced tripper, take one back to before one's birth into a realm of ecstatic joy. There is nothing in my musical repertoire that is more potent. Don't believe me, just try it. Grateful dead is uniquely "rock music in a jazz idiom," but that does not explain anything. Do this guy a favor and desist from recommending Handel's Messiah, Bach's Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring or Gregorian chants because you are into Christian religiosity. He needs to remain WIDE OPEN. So instead of paying lip-service to my age and wisdom, actually trust my advice for his benefit. The Grateful Dead sound is a 'cosmic canvas,' a wide open space for his mind to expand into. BE HERE NOW is interdenominational. Let his spiritual path be shown him by the Spirit, not you or me. 







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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Deviate]
    #21754042 - 06/02/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

simple stuff is usually good stuff;

sugar magnolia,

scarlet begonias,

ripple,

i love 'em.

shake down street is kind of sweet but it's your taste of view.


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    #21755450 - 06/02/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Markos, i will try listening to that on my next trip.

To paraphrase Yoda, 'Do not try. Do.' Turn off the lights, turn up the volume, close your eyes and LISTEN. Really LISTEN. Track 5-10 exclusively, during the peak.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21755508 - 06/02/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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I have, 'tis a good album, though Garcia in the studio has never been my personal preference.

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
You can't let go and you can't hold on
You can't go back and you can't stand still
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will


I don't like engineered, I like risks, I like chances of failure, maybe it will be a bad show.... maybe some extraordinary magic will happen.




Live shows were one thing, and they are a thing of the past. Now I engineer set & setting and I still get results from this myself as well as with those who haven't Really heard those tracks in the optimal state. Sometimes, in the safety of my house during a trip I can't even imagine how I used to dose among loud crowds, bright lights, and the over-stimulation of huge shows. Oh yeah, I do remember freaking out and leaving Englishtown soon after Dead came on. Speed to wake up from camping and two 400 mcg nickle-sized blotters. :eek:




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_Dead_discography#Dick.27s_Picks

just trying to help buddy :smile: big compendium to choose from....
yanno, the studio recordings are lovely, but he surely seemed to have a knack for improvisation :smile:

might even yanno hear something you haven't before :strokebeard:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21755584 - 06/02/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

eventually I came to realize jazz is pretty much best

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    #21755689 - 06/03/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The new 80 disk boxed set costs $699.98. I bought the $450 boxed set but I'm not crazy about their limited repertoire in '72. Europe '72 was actually sufficient for me by itself. I never open this box. But THIS boxed set...Shit. http://www.dead.net/store/special-edition-shops/50th-anniversary-shop/30-trips-around-sun-box?eml=dn/30TripsAroundSu-body-inline-top-1-1/2015June2/2443830/6131962&etsubid=39873032 I ONLY saw them 50-60 times between 1972-1994. Listening to a show right NOW.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21755697 - 06/03/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok i give in
700mg mescaline in

spidergawd into eep hour, yowza, that was fuckin' great :thumbup:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21755989 - 06/03/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The new 80 disk boxed set costs $699.98. I bought the $450 boxed set but I'm not crazy about their limited repertoire in '72. Europe '72 was actually sufficient for me by itself. I never open this box. But THIS boxed set...Shit. http://www.dead.net/store/special-edition-shops/50th-anniversary-shop/30-trips-around-sun-box?eml=dn/30TripsAroundSu-body-inline-top-1-1/2015June2/2443830/6131962&etsubid=39873032 I ONLY saw them 50-60 times between 1972-1994. Listening to a show right NOW.





i got into the whole dead scene via trading cassette tapes of live shows :shrug:

seems a bit greedy

especially when they are offering it digitally too

should be able to pick and choose which ones you want rather than an all or nothing $700

meh, the dead have already made their living imho....

i wouldn't be beyond :pirate:  this one

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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21756310 - 06/03/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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eventually I came to realize jazz is pretty much best

<3




well then jerry garcia and howard wales might suit your fancy, i always loved this album



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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21757931 - 06/03/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: I very pleasant "I told you so" going out to ya.


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    #21759079 - 06/03/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well my favorite part was tracks 5-6, spidergawd into eep hour, that was sheer psychedelic awe inspiring intensity, mean like seeing dali's hallucinogenic toreador for the first time....

was getting a nice massage from a honey during to lay me down, mescaline is very mdma like, it's great for body work, just feeling comfortable in your own skin and owning your own his-story and being free and open and honest and candid with it..... visuals aren't so impressive.... no spiderweb imagery for me, was more like rolling hills... the visual component was far from the pinnacle of the trip of even at high dose, would say it's more empatheogenic with some psychedelic features... is good for self esteem i guess, feel like with all the :shitstorm: that life has to offer, i'm coping with it all pretty well

if you've ever taken a very low dose of acid w/ some clean mdma that is close enough facsimile to what mescaline is imho


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    #21761128 - 06/04/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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well my favorite part was tracks 5-6, spidergawd into eep hour, that was sheer psychedelic awe inspiring intensity, mean like seeing dali's hallucinogenic toreador for the first time....

was getting a nice massage from a honey during to lay me down, mescaline is very mdma like, it's great for body work, just feeling comfortable in your own skin and owning your own his-story and being free and open and honest and candid with it..... visuals aren't so impressive.... no spiderweb imagery for me, was more like rolling hills... the visual component was far from the pinnacle of the trip of even at high dose, would say it's more empatheogenic with some psychedelic features... is good for self esteem i guess, feel like with all the :shitstorm: that life has to offer, i'm coping with it all pretty well

if you've ever taken a very low dose of acid w/ some clean mdma that is close enough facsimile to what mescaline is imho




Never done any 'candy-flipping' (LSD & MDMA), I'm something of a purist and do not think I could process the combination, but I certainly know their effects separately. I never took enough Peyote to get a threshold effect and I've never had synthetic Mescaline. I remember reading in the book Helter Skelter, about the Mansonoids, that someone in that scene (maybe Gary Hinman whose ear they cut off), had a 'small Mescaline lab setup.' Always wondered about whether the precursors were more easily obtainable than for acid. It certainly has to be less esoteric than making acid (e.g., working under amber and red light during certain stages).

Correction: Extraction is a lot easier than synthesis. :tongue:  http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/318810-mescaline-extract-synthesis/


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21761725 - 06/04/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm usually pretty purist with my MDMA, as I've found that cannabis and alcohol take away from the empatheogenic feelings, but I've had one experience candyflipping (quite recently) and it was sublime.  I just worry about the purity of these drugs these days so always recommend reagent testing :smile:  Of course in another 25yrs I may not find it so wise to be adventurous w/ mixing such potent substances.

As for extracting, yes that's the only sensible way to go:

69ron's D-Limonene Mescalaline Extraction

Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)


https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/69ron%27s_D-Limonene_Mescaline_Extraction

You can :pm: me on how to get lot of potent dried san pedro cactus powder if it actually interests you.....  Gnrm originally showed me the site, and then Ice reminded me of it later down the road.  I tried to toss and wash the dried cactus powder at a Starwood festival and gagged, got zero effects.... A tea might be more reasonable,  https://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21761756 - 06/04/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

haven't heard of howard wales; jorma kaukonen is an artist i love, jammed with jerry some too. of course GD is among the all times greatests. .

pentangling by pentangle is a pretty vunderful song. they a folk band who incorporated jazz elements strongly at times.

look't him up, he looks pretty:



:sun:

and i love the brevity of the wiki article about him :sun:


will look him up, thanks. i like to explore artists randomly or feel my way through their music so to speak. . . and gradually. :smile:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21762494 - 06/04/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna, of course I know him :smile:

He & Jerry def jammed out.......  :awecid:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21762638 - 06/04/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

haha yeah, I heard them mentioned somewhere and stored it away. . never knew most mainstream; but hestitation blues by hot tuna was the first song i learned on guitar.. quite a few years later i came back to him and yeah. :smile:  Genesis blew me away; a few listens before it resonated so deeply, and i wanna slowly get to all of Quah.. he turned me onto Rev. Gary Davis too, awesome blues artist, wrote a few wonderful songs.

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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21762667 - 06/04/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Genesis has such insane concept albums, truly meant to be listened to from start to finish, like with a good pair of headphones and close your eyes...


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21762686 - 06/04/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

loveliest song i've ever heard a few ways

u prolly got it sooner than me :smile: at first w/ i heard it i heard it barely then a few years later heard again and feels like rolling eternity basically; some songs never get old.  some few. :smile:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21762699 - 06/04/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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i mean the song Genesis, is there an album too?
from Quah





Ahhh, I see, I was multitasking and misread.... thought you were speaking in tangent of the band Genesis

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    #21762704 - 06/04/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:laugh:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21799427 - 06/12/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

this is a pretty darn sweet tribute (less than a month ago) :


Dear Jerry - Ripple -  Bob Weir, Bill Kreutzmann, Micky Hart

and I guess all these and more; Allen Toussaint, David Grisman, Sam Bush, Peter Frampton, Buddy Miller, Jorma Kaukonen,


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21799485 - 06/12/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Breakdown, Old & In The Way

this one blew me away; jerry garcia, david grisman, john kahn, etc. i won't keep posting these lol this isn't the jerry garcia appreciation thread, but i thought it was cool.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21800053 - 06/12/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Breakdown, Old & In The Way

this one blew me away; jerry garcia, david grisman, john kahn, etc. i won't keep posting these lol this isn't the jerry garcia appreciation thread, but i thought it was cool.




ah you gotta check the pizza tapes, allegedly stolen by a pizza man off the table while delivering to garcia, grisman, and tony rice :lol: 

is epic


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21800085 - 06/12/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I love all the old stuff mentioned in this thread, but it bums me out when people talk like that's all there is for heads. I mean, look at all this newish music:

Psychedelic Ambient / Downtempo:

Ulrich Schnauss
Carbon Based Lifeforms
Solar Fields :mushroom2:
Blue Lunar Monkey
Stars of the Lid
Alexander Daf
Windy & Carl
Bluetech :mushroom2:
Shuttle 358
Helios
Riddle
Jonson
Miwon
Abakus
Eluvium
Outersect
Sideliner
Oophoi
Ishq
Elve

Sundial and/or Aural Planet :sun:

Psychedelic Rock:

Soul Of The Phoenix :mushroom2:
Hotel Wrecking City Traders
Black Moth Super Rainbow
Colour Haze :mushroom2:
Crooked Hook
Causa Sui
Bardo Pond
Panda Bear
Cloudland Canyon
Grails
Apse
Om :mushroom2:
Weird Owl
Angels of Light
The Black Angels
Vampire Hands

Drone / Loop:

Growing :mushroom2:
Terrestrial Tones
White Rainbow :mushroom2:
Barn Owl
Stag Hare
White Lodge
The Skull Defekts
Pocahaunted
Hammock
Avrocar

Space Folk:

Zak Riles
Landing
White Magic
Eden Express
Sir Richard Bishop
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Phosphorescent :mushroom2:
Jim O'Rourke
Crippled Black Pheonix
The Nature Of Light
Fire On Fire
Spires That In The Sunset Rise
Talk Demonic
Jack Rose
Wolves & Wishes
Windy & Carl
Califone
Coleen
Lichens

Avant / Experimental:

Hella
Todd
Ruins
Damsel
Zach Hill
The Books :mushroom2:
Dan Deacon
Flying Lotus
Secret Chiefs 3 :mushroom2:
Estradasphere
Groundtruther
The Book of Knots
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
Sunburned Hand of the Man
School of Emotional Engineering
Twi The Humble Feather

Dream Pop:

M83
Eliot Lipp
The Fields
Our Sleepless Forest
TV On The Radio
School of Seven Bells :mushroom2:
Forest For The Trees
Myagi

Sludge / Fuzz Metal:

Humanfly :mushroom2:
Bossk
Sleep
Cave
Meniscus
UFOmammut :mushroom2:
Sons of Otis
Indian
Lent0 :mushroom2:
Earth
Conifer
Clouds
Oaks
Caldera
Honcho
ISIS
Pelican
Grails
Moccasin
Melvins
Tides
Windmills By The Ocean
Supercontinent :mushroom2:
Zozobra
35007

World Fusion:

Tropicala
Coconut
El Guincho
Tinariwen :mushroom2:
Sitaar Tah!
Mickey Hart
Planet Drum
Global Drum Project :mushroom2:
Zakir Hussein
Ali Akbar Kahn
Remember Shakti :mushroom2:
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Andre Afram Asmar
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
Juana Molina

Psychedelic Hip-Hop:

TZU
Homeboy Sandman
Aesop Rock :mushroom2:
Buck 65
Dert Floyd
Diplo
Burial
Boom-Bip
Subtle :mushroom2:
Doseone
Themselves
Jedi Mind Tricks
Santogold
Tobacco :mushroom2:
Bisc1
El-P

Post Rock:

This Will Destroy You
Explosions In The Sky
Alcest
Jesu
And So I Watch You From Afar
Go-Neko!
God Is An Astronaut
Lights Out Asia
This IS Your Captain Speaking
God Speed You Black Emperor
Red Sparrows

Post Jazz:

Amon Tobin :mushroom2:
Elvin Aarset
Basquiet Strings
Cinematic Orchestra
Flat Earth Society
Esbjorn Svensson Trio
The Kilimanjaro Dark Jazz Ensemble :mushroom2:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Middleman]
    #21800112 - 06/12/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have seen a lot of those bands, and the tickets cost me under $20 unlike seeing The Grateful Dead farewell tour or Phish which is opening in Bend, OR scalped tickets are $165 for lawn right now :rolleyes:

Love Subtle,
Dose One,
Boom-Bip
Themselves,
Aesop Rock
Tobacco
Flying Lotus (RECENTLY JUST LISTENED TO ALBUM ON DMT :awecid:
um Secret Chiefs 3 (can't forget mr. bungle or anything Mike Patton)
Zakir Hussein (have seen w/ John McLaughlin at Carnegie Hall)
Aesop Rock have seen too many times to count
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Mickey Heart (of the Dead) saw live in college campus

reading bottom up I dunno why I read posts that way :lol:

anyways that's enough yah I love your music :heart

Man I remember seeing Dose one in Seattle at Chop Suey w/ ummmmmmmm The Notwist
before they had the project 13 & God going, two separate sets w/ each playing, and came out and played together in the end... was like '02
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21800129 - 06/12/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ha yeah, I knew you were hip. I used to buy CDs from Dose when he worked at Berkeley Amoeba. "G" is for Deep blew my mind. :sun:


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    #21801150 - 06/13/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's a way lotta music :laugh:

Yesterday I came across New Riders of the Purple Sage with about 23 albums ( a few live )

too much music history to go through heh :wink: (NRPS that is) they have overlap with GD, but it looks like not as much as some others. 

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    #21802587 - 06/13/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm in the process of doing this - you should message me about specific stuff and I can likely give you some tips

Whenever you take LSD - think of it as an experiment. Test your limits, the limits of your perceptions. Realize that perceptions are conditional and can be altered to reflect your view of reality.

Learn how to do things - practice them on LSD, remember how you did it, and try it while you're sober

For the first step, I would take an extremely complex/dynamic pattern (like a spackle ceiling) and spend 30 mins-1hr just looking at it. Unfocus your eyes at different levels, try to achieve a fractal, make it spin, make your own patterns, just play with it


And remember - its going to take a LONG time before you're even able to do the smallest things that you can do on LSD while you're sober. It's been about a year for me and I can achieve a pseudo-fractal, slight spinning on patterns, and slight expand/contrast. I've once been able to change the shape of my room and the colors.

While I'm tripping, I've achieveed the ULTIMATE fractal, as well as controlled and increbibally detailed hallucinations (I was able to hallucinate different rooms and antiques piled together... super cool)


LSD is an artificial raising of your vibration. It shows you an artificial state of awakening. Use that state as reference to alter your sober reality.

Again, message me about more - I have a LOT of stuff on this - also look into my threads if you want. Good luck on your mission!


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    #21802870 - 06/13/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

great, encouraging post, bro :sun:

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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21806143 - 06/14/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just wanted to say I love this thread. :heart:
I know understand the purpose of psychedelics much clearer.
This has inspired me to harness meditation and music.
I can now see past the clouds of reality, back into my self at my prime.
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Middleman]
    #21808446 - 06/14/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Rev. Morton said:
Ha yeah, I knew you were hip. I used to buy CDs from Dose when he worked at Berkeley Amoeba. "G" is for Deep blew my mind. :sun:




Think I gotta snag that one yet, Hemispheres was the first Dose One album I had, but he was mostly braggin'

That Ol Pagan Shit



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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21812820 - 06/15/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

lkasdjlkjweiof lsakdj;sdjfklejiowr is the best way to sum up what i am going through right now lol.

so glad i only took 1 hit or i might be in a psych ward jesus christ

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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21812835 - 06/15/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yup

@OP
I once took LSD really high dose, now I know the whole universe

So you can just ask me

Amazing that science doesn't do LSD they would know so much more


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: lessismore]
    #21813013 - 06/15/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yup

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I once took LSD really high dose, now I know the whole universe

So you can just ask me

Amazing that science doesn't do LSD they would know so much more




Be careful that you don't convince yourself that you know. Different than really knowing and I'm skeptical someone can truly know that fast.

There is also often more information that you cannot even perceive right now. It will blow your mind when it comes to you.

I thought I knew every feeling. Until I felt a thought lose all meaning while keeping grammatical context, for example.

Sorry if that came off as rude, if you actually did find out a lot, more power to you. I just like to add insights to think upon :smile:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21813047 - 06/15/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

coming down now... the body load is so high

i can't get past the nausea/headache/neck tensions right now.. felt it throughout the entire trip


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    #21813063 - 06/15/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

blah, make sure to reagent test your blotter these days

hard to say if it was really acid :shrug:

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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21813499 - 06/16/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

my source was good, i'm 80% sure it was acid, nothing is guaranteed

anyway, i guess... i have a lot to say, but none of that shit matters, except that i should be happy that i'm alive and breathing and there are other people and animals who are also alive and breathing around me

i don't see what else i could get out of psychedelics aside from that. but if I ever lose my way again, that's when i'll trip again

there are no gods/entities for me to see... how could i prove they're not all in my head? the only way to know is to train and discipline my mind way more than in its current state..

but there is no more use to take lsd again in the near future.. damn, i was planning on taking it once every 2 weeks until i run out, now i have 24 blotters that i spent $200 on that's just sitting around and will probably keep sitting around until it goes bad lol oh well


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21814467 - 06/16/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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my source was good, i'm 80% sure it was acid, nothing is guaranteed

anyway, i guess... i have a lot to say, but none of that shit matters, except that i should be happy that i'm alive and breathing and there are other people and animals who are also alive and breathing around me

i don't see what else i could get out of psychedelics aside from that. but if I ever lose my way again, that's when i'll trip again

there are no gods/entities for me to see... how could i prove they're not all in my head? the only way to know is to train and discipline my mind way more than in its current state..

but there is no more use to take lsd again in the near future.. damn, i was planning on taking it once every 2 weeks until i run out, now i have 24 blotters that i spent $200 on that's just sitting around and will probably keep sitting around until it goes bad lol oh well






Just because you didn't experience something doesn't mean you've experienced everything. I will tell you as a pseudo-veteran that I've had my collective mind blown many times by LSD - even when I thought I've experienced everything

There are NEW feelings to discover, Im NOT kidding. I've experienced at least one.

Have you acheived an ultimate fractal?

Have you created rooms and stacked detailed furniture or duplicate pillows? I have done this stuff and more. And I'm not even close to understanding near what I want to understand.

As for how do we know this stuff is real? We don't. But it's the only possibility of reality past this. What I mean by that - is it's the ONLY thing people percieve outside of this reality. On top of that, once people know, their intuition tends to kick in, telling them it's true

I could flip the same question back on you, how do you know this reality is as we believe is rather than a figment of your imaginations?

Before you answer - you should know quantum science is proving that reality is a construct of consciousness, not vise versa.


In the end, the only reason to explore is curiosity. It you believe you wont experience anything you - you wont. That simple.

If you want to learn more and you allow yourself to blow your mind - it will happen

at least if you take enough


If you didn't think it was worth it - and you DON'T see spirits, then maybe you should start to work on using LSD as a learning experience/reference point from which you can build a sober trip, at least that's what I'm doing.





Just to add one more thing - the last trip I had didn't feel worth it either. But it was just one trip, and I spent a lot of money on it and didnt make any back..... like 120 on 7 candies and it felt like 2 tabs for me





If you're taking 2 tabs normally, try four. If that doesn't blow your mind, try 6 or 7 (my favorite number so far, price per trip)

If youre worried 6 or 7 wont work and you're SUPER confident in your self control, do 10. I haven't done 10 of pure lsd (ive dont 7 tabs 1.2 of caps and .2 of molly.... I've also done a half of shrooms.... I might have done 10 tabs but I forget, and if I did it was once) and my average right now is 6-7 tabs








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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: glimpee]
    #21816128 - 06/16/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The body load. The constant feeling and fear of throwing up... I really hate throwing up, and I was trying to hold it back the whole trip, and I guess that made it worse. I have muscle tensions too on every psychedelic it seems, even weed.

This seems to make lsd a very unpleasant experience for me. You know what I experienced, after the peak? For the next 8 hours, I was experiencing the body load and it was provoking a primal feeling of a fear of sickness and death. I realized my mortality and humanity, and all I wanted was to never do this again and make my body and mind as healthy as possible so I'll feel sick as infrequently as possible. I ended the trip with a newfound appreciation for life and the realization that everyone else is in the same boat as me and we all feel suffering and will one day die and we need to just enjoy the time we have...

so i got a lot out of the trip... but it was so physically unpleasant for most of the duration. During the peak i saw a lot of weird ass shit that felt so vividly real, but that didn't compare to feeling the reality of the achings of my body..

i don't see how i could muster the will to take more acid within the near future... need at least a year i think... i don't know.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21816234 - 06/16/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The body load. The constant feeling and fear of throwing up... I really hate throwing up, and I was trying to hold it back the whole trip, and I guess that made it worse. I have muscle tensions too on every psychedelic it seems, even weed.

This seems to make lsd a very unpleasant experience for me. You know what I experienced, after the peak? For the next 8 hours, I was experiencing the body load and it was provoking a primal feeling of a fear of sickness and death. I realized my mortality and humanity, and all I wanted was to never do this again and make my body and mind as healthy as possible so I'll feel sick as infrequently as possible. I ended the trip with a newfound appreciation for life and the realization that everyone else is in the same boat as me and we all feel suffering and will one day die and we need to just enjoy the time we have...

so i got a lot out of the trip... but it was so physically unpleasant for most of the duration. During the peak i saw a lot of weird ass shit that felt so vividly real, but that didn't compare to feeling the reality of the achings of my body..

i don't see how i could muster the will to take more acid within the near future... need at least a year i think... i don't know.





Take your time, but coming from experience, if you let that fear grow and fester, your next trip will be terrible.

How much time did you spend getting in the zone before you tripped?

Anything unpleasant happen recently?

what would you say bugs you the most about yourself?

Were you alone or with people?

Whats your living situation?


Answer what you want/pass on any other info thats similar. I wanna find out why you experienced what you did and I wanna see if I can help you reap the benefits of a perfect trip :smile:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21816344 - 06/16/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The body load. The constant feeling and fear of throwing up... I really hate throwing up, and I was trying to hold it back the whole trip, and I guess that made it worse. I have muscle tensions too on every psychedelic it seems, even weed.

This seems to make lsd a very unpleasant experience for me. You know what I experienced, after the peak? For the next 8 hours, I was experiencing the body load and it was provoking a primal feeling of a fear of sickness and death. I realized my mortality and humanity, and all I wanted was to never do this again and make my body and mind as healthy as possible so I'll feel sick as infrequently as possible. I ended the trip with a newfound appreciation for life and the realization that everyone else is in the same boat as me and we all feel suffering and will one day die and we need to just enjoy the time we have...

so i got a lot out of the trip... but it was so physically unpleasant for most of the duration. During the peak i saw a lot of weird ass shit that felt so vividly real, but that didn't compare to feeling the reality of the achings of my body..

i don't see how i could muster the will to take more acid within the near future... need at least a year i think... i don't know.




maybe this is a sign that it is not in your highest benefit to do these drugs (at least at this time) :smile:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: deff]
    #21816349 - 06/16/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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deff said:
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evenbreak said:
The body load. The constant feeling and fear of throwing up... I really hate throwing up, and I was trying to hold it back the whole trip, and I guess that made it worse. I have muscle tensions too on every psychedelic it seems, even weed.

This seems to make lsd a very unpleasant experience for me. You know what I experienced, after the peak? For the next 8 hours, I was experiencing the body load and it was provoking a primal feeling of a fear of sickness and death. I realized my mortality and humanity, and all I wanted was to never do this again and make my body and mind as healthy as possible so I'll feel sick as infrequently as possible. I ended the trip with a newfound appreciation for life and the realization that everyone else is in the same boat as me and we all feel suffering and will one day die and we need to just enjoy the time we have...

so i got a lot out of the trip... but it was so physically unpleasant for most of the duration. During the peak i saw a lot of weird ass shit that felt so vividly real, but that didn't compare to feeling the reality of the achings of my body..

i don't see how i could muster the will to take more acid within the near future... need at least a year i think... i don't know.




maybe this is a sign that it is not in your highest interest to do these drugs (at least at this time) :smile:




agreed. don't let me convince you otherwise


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: deff]
    #21816471 - 06/16/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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deff said:

maybe this is a sign that it is not in your highest benefit to do these drugs (at least at this time) :smile:




Or a sign that it was not LSD at all, I have never once experienced nausea or headaches on LSD, but I could see the neck tension if you were holding some weird posture, spacing out, without realizing it.  In which case, jump in a hot tub or something :shrug:....

I've seen the Ehrlich reagent test go as cheap as $12.50 on eBay.  Well worth the money for any head to have.

Watch that documentary on bunkpolice, something like 60% of the blotter going around festivals is some random bullshit RC.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21817300 - 06/17/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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CosmicJoke said:
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deff said:

maybe this is a sign that it is not in your highest benefit to do these drugs (at least at this time) :smile:




Or a sign that it was not LSD at all, I have never once experienced nausea or headaches on LSD, but I could see the neck tension if you were holding some weird posture, spacing out, without realizing it.  In which case, jump in a hot tub or something :shrug:....

I've seen the Ehrlich reagent test go as cheap as $12.50 on eBay.  Well worth the money for any head to have.

Watch that documentary on bunkpolice, something like 60% of the blotter going around festivals is some random bullshit RC.




Good points! The only times I threw up on LSD was my 2nd trip (after an upper class man said "It's not the acid, it's YOU," and he was right, and the time I insufflated 600 mcg of Orange Sunshine. But that was psychic overload. In fact, I developed migraines in college, especially after those trendy cheap wine & cheese meetings at school. 1/8 of a blotter (those 1/4" spots used to be a solid 250-300 mcg) used to relieve the migraine pain and nausea (unconverted ergot perhaps).


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21817427 - 06/17/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So, since you're on the topic of bending reality and coping with reality on trips. Whenever my trip starts to go bad and I perceive myself being stuck in loops or ego-death, I ask myself what I would do without everything in my life. If I start to believe I am somewhere away from my body or dead, I start to ask myself what I want from my life; that is saying only if your trip goes bad. If you are truly having problems with good trips, I wouldn't recommend LSD. I would do something different or more creative. IMO


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: NightShades]
    #21817464 - 06/17/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Doesn't sound like LSD

but nausea, jaw problems etc. can happen on dirty stuff or when you are a beginner (psyche reaction: im feeling cold, im dying, i cant breathe, help me! - my neck hurts!)

you should always test with an Ehrlich test kit

your subconscious knows if you should do LSD or not do it, many stop after 1 trip, some keep on tripping till 100 trips

LSD has no taste , usually comes on 1/4" squares , and bodyload is rare but can happen for new users

I have had fake LSD before, not sure what chem it was, but it had a strong chemical taste, was sold as LSD.. that can be dangerous, you can OD easily on research chemicals, so always test your stuff


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: lessismore]
    #21819042 - 06/17/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Doesn't sound like LSD

but nausea, jaw problems etc. can happen on dirty stuff or when you are a beginner (psyche reaction: im feeling cold, im dying, i cant breathe, help me! - my neck hurts!)

you should always test with an Ehrlich test kit

your subconscious knows if you should do LSD or not do it, many stop after 1 trip, some keep on tripping till 100 trips

LSD has no taste , usually comes on 1/4" squares , and bodyload is rare but can happen for new users

I have had fake LSD before, not sure what chem it was, but it had a strong chemical taste, was sold as LSD.. that can be dangerous, you can OD easily on research chemicals, so always test your stuff





Reading Jaw Problems when someone else said it triggered a slight memory in my mind that fake LSD does that.



As for handling a bad trip - I wish I could actually give advice. but it's my constant rationality that brings me out of bad trips. Ive taken 1. Expect nothing 2. Be content with everything 3. Open-mindedness. to heart. There is nothing that CAN depress me - why would there be? The only way I get overwhelmed is when I can't fully process and my parents randomly come home or some shit - and I deal with that by leaving and then I'm set.

With bad trips, from what I understand, it starts with a bad thought/feeling and just spirals out of control through psychedelic loops and the increased connectivity, once you start down a bad road it only gets worse and worse. Just knowing how to pull out of a cycle like that and just breathe, relax, and free your mind

I'm still learning how to REALLY free my mind, but taking some deep breaths and going for a walk or something generally helps me (but then again, I've never had a bad trip except on DMT, and I fixed those bad trips by just being OK with it or hugging my dog)


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21819744 - 06/17/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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CosmicJoke said:
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deff said:

maybe this is a sign that it is not in your highest benefit to do these drugs (at least at this time) :smile:




Or a sign that it was not LSD at all, I have never once experienced nausea or headaches on LSD, but I could see the neck tension if you were holding some weird posture, spacing out, without realizing it.  In which case, jump in a hot tub or something :shrug:....

I've seen the Ehrlich reagent test go as cheap as $12.50 on eBay.  Well worth the money for any head to have.

Watch that documentary on bunkpolice, something like 60% of the blotter going around festivals is some random bullshit RC.




Good points! The only times I threw up on LSD was my 2nd trip (after an upper class man said "It's not the acid, it's YOU," and he was right, and the time I insufflated 600 mcg of Orange Sunshine. But that was psychic overload. In fact, I developed migraines in college, especially after those trendy cheap wine & cheese meetings at school. 1/8 of a blotter (those 1/4" spots used to be a solid 250-300 mcg) used to relieve the migraine pain and nausea (unconverted ergot perhaps).




Well, I've always preferred LSD to psilocybin mushrooms in part because the acid did not cause me nausea.  Shrooms, OTOH, did (particularly at higher doses, 5g etc.) but it was a short, passing thing that was worth it....  45mins or so after consuming the shrooms and the nausea would pass.  All in all, I'd recommend the OP trying the mushrooms instead, perhaps as tea.  I generally don't recall experiencing the nausea from shroom tea, or having shroom bits stuck in my teeth for that matter :lol:

Without advising a dosage to take, with good, potent mushrooms I'd compare 1 hit of 100ug of clean acid to 1.75g of mushrooms, 200ug to 3.5g of mushrooms, and 300ug to 5g of mushrooms.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21822024 - 06/18/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There is no nausea with mushroom chocolates, got a tek in my journal

At least not with 4-4.5g, I don't even feel like I've eaten anything


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: lessismore]
    #21823255 - 06/18/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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There is no nausea with mushroom chocolates, got a tek in my journal

At least not with 4-4.5g, I don't even feel like I've eaten anything




Maybe that's why the Meso-Americans took Chocolatyl ("Food of the Gods") along with Teonanacatyl ("Flesh of the Gods"). :shrug:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21826485 - 06/19/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

huh?:smile:

Chocolate shrooms are just about as good as good LSD, very enjoyable

And I probably have to agree with the above dosage, 3.5g is a pretty solid dose on mushrooms, surprised me a few times , 5g is not something I want to repeat too often ;-)

5g is a terrific dose to make you respect the mushroom, if you don't respect it with 5g, you never will

But maybe not a pleasant lesson..

It seems it doesn't matter much what tool we use, only that we use it right, most psychedelics can teach the same and often look almost the same in the trip as well

You can get there without these tools as well, there are ways to look into your mind without the drug (lucid dreaming, hypnosis, regression, consistent meditation and many other ways)

I really just tripped to have fun, whatever came as a side effect was just a bonus

Expectations can ruin the trip a bit sometimes, because then you may be disappointed, if you got no expectations you may be surprised


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: lessismore]
    #21826493 - 06/19/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think it is important to remember the psychedelics can amplify symptoms you already have, so if you live day to day with stomach issues, headaches, and neck tension, some acid may just exacerbate your identification with the "pain body" unless possibly used in a therapeutic setting... Just my $.02. These same psychedelics have helped people who are dying and in chronic pain.... It is interesting when you think about it :strokebeard:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21827891 - 06/19/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think it is important to remember the psychedelics can amplify symptoms you already have, so if you live day to day with stomach issues, headaches, and neck tension, some acid may just exacerbate your identification with the "pain body" unless possibly used in a therapeutic setting... Just my $.02. These same psychedelics have helped people who are dying and in chronic pain.... It is interesting when you think about it :strokebeard:




I 100% agree with you here


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21829522 - 06/19/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think it is important to remember the psychedelics can amplify symptoms you already have, so if you live day to day with stomach issues, headaches, and neck tension, some acid may just exacerbate your identification with the "pain body" unless possibly used in a therapeutic setting... Just my $.02. These same psychedelics have helped people who are dying and in chronic pain.... It is interesting when you think about it :strokebeard:




that's probably what happened.. I am an anxious person and I do get headaches a lot and probably tighten up my body a lot due to anxiety.

don't know much I can do about that ... i guess acid just isn't for me right now


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21829544 - 06/19/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i agree w/ emphasis on emotions. .

and there was, ah this one slipped my memory; but a reference to a psychotropic in a sci-fi show, or a psychadelic or something which was used in the similar type of way, and it was something along the lines of 'amplifies what's already there, the good and bad; so if you're a good man, you're great,' etc. it was definitely Riker talking hahaha. :smile: I remembered that much. :smile:

but in terms of inner states. .. it would be kinda like that. . so all the more important to spend a while in practice a-fore hand. .


but nah, no need to do it today - all i would say is, whenever it feels right :smile:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21829548 - 06/19/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

mescaline hcl feels pretty wonderful if you can come across it, low doses feel a lot like mdma with some mild psychedelic effects


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21831087 - 06/20/15 01:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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i agree w/ emphasis on emotions. .

and there was, ah this one slipped my memory; but a reference to a psychotropic in a sci-fi show, or a psychadelic or something which was used in the similar type of way, and it was something along the lines of 'amplifies what's already there, the good and bad; so if you're a good man, you're great,' etc. it was definitely Riker talking hahaha. :smile: I remembered that much. :smile:

but in terms of inner states. .. it would be kinda like that. . so all the more important to spend a while in practice a-fore hand. .


but nah, no need to do it today - all i would say is, whenever it feels right :smile:





hehe I like the idea of it amplifying whats there - because then Im the best motherfucker ever :smile:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: glimpee]
    #21831104 - 06/20/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Doesn't sound like LSD, any nausea usually passes within less than a minute during the first hour, also your body should generally feel lighter rather than have a load on it, it is totally possible that fear manifested as nausea and bodyload tho

Did the tab taste bitter? Did it numb your tongue? How long did it take before you felt something significant?


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Chronic7]
    #21832568 - 06/20/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Within 40 minutes I was tripping hard as fuck and every 1 minute was lasting 15 minutes. It wasn't bitter but there was very very slight numbing under my tongue.

My body wasn't feeling good throughout the trip.. aches, tension, and just weird sensations.. not necessarily unpleasant, but i was just feeling these foreign sensations and I guess they could be interpreted as either good or bad and I interpreted them as bad. I never threw up btw... just had a fear of throwing up.

I wish there wasn't all this anxiety and unpleasantness... I have 25 more tabs and nothing to do with it because I don't want to feel fucked up lol. The mind fuckery was fun, the body load was not.

I am pretty sure it was LSD because I obtained it from a well reviewed vendor and no one has ever said his LSD was bunk. His stuff was expensive but well-reputed and that is why I paid so much more for it


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21832614 - 06/20/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry for asking again, did you test with Ehrlich test?

Else you can never really be sure, there are like 20-30 chems that could be on your tab, or even several chemicals at once...

Bromo dragonfly, DOx, Nbome to name a few, LSZ, LSH, 5meodmt, and many more , maybe 2cb too not sure about that one


Many people think they got LSD, but then they got a research chemical

You cannot trust any online vendor, or offline vendor today really , even if you know the vendor, you gotta test it still

Your friends may say it is good lsd, but then they weren't sure

Question everything


If you got money for 25 hits, you got money for a test kit, stop wasting your time with guessing, you cannot guess it from the time / trip report alone.

Preferably you should get both the Ehrlich test kit + an UV pen for $5 as well , lsd glows blue under uv light


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21832842 - 06/20/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Within 40 minutes I was tripping hard as fuck and every 1 minute was lasting 15 minutes. It wasn't bitter but there was very very slight numbing under my tongue[.

My body wasn't feeling good throughout the trip.. aches, tension, and just weird sensations.. not necessarily unpleasant, but i was just feeling these foreign sensations and I guess they could be interpreted as either good or bad and I interpreted them as bad. I never threw up btw... just had a fear of throwing up.

I wish there wasn't all this anxiety and unpleasantness... I have 25 more tabs and nothing to do with it because I don't want to feel fucked up lol. The mind fuckery was fun, the body load was not.

I am pretty sure it was LSD because I obtained it from a well reviewed vendor and no one has ever said his LSD was bunk. His stuff was expensive but well-reputed and that is why I paid so much more for it




Numbing means that you probably took 25I-NBOMe dude, definitely NOT LSD!!!!!  You joked about two putting you in the psychiatric ward, but taking two might have sent you to the E.R.  You gotta wise up about taking random street drugs, it's 2015 and trusting your source is just a bad idea all together.  Get the reagent tests, it's just foolish not to.

Just because a vendor has a lot of feedback doesn't mean much, 99% of the people hand out +5 ratings before even trying the substance.  Many uneducated people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two substances.....  I've seen even pretty good vendors fuck up and send the wrong chemical by mistake, he could vend multiple blotters with different chemicals for example.  Two powders can look exactly alike, I believe Asante went to the ER 'cuz of a vendor's major fuck up giving him a stimulant instead of a dissociative.  Always test!

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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21833273 - 06/20/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid: Cannot go just by reviews, especially when things like numbness or a bitter taste. Unfortunately we can't draw any conclusions from the body load; Some get it and some don't, only sure thing is that it will get worse (for those who experience it) as the dose increases. Numbing suggests an NBOMe pretty strongly, but we don't do substance ID here for a reason (That is, explicitly stating "You have/don't have ____")- there are no guarantees. An Ehrlich reagent is a must for LSD, but even that is no guarantee.. Someone can lay an inactive amount of any tryptamine for a positive Ehrlich reaction, and an NBOMe for effects. Services like EcstasyData.org are the only sure thing ($40 for ecstasy pills, $100 for anything else).


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: DustBunny]
    #21833334 - 06/20/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:whathesaid: Cannot go just by reviews, especially when things like numbness or a bitter taste. Unfortunately we can't draw any conclusions from the body load; Some get it and some don't, only sure thing is that it will get worse (for those who experience it) as the dose increases. Numbing suggests an NBOMe pretty strongly, but we don't do substance ID here for a reason (That is, explicitly stating "You have/don't have ____")- there are no guarantees. An Ehrlich reagent is a must for LSD, but even that is no guarantee.. Someone can lay an inactive amount of any tryptamine for a positive Ehrlich reaction, and an NBOMe for effects. Services like EcstasyData.org are the only sure thing ($40 for ecstasy pills, $100 for anything else).





Heh, that's so depressing that dealers are now going to such extremes....  I suppose you could test different slivers of a hit with multiple reagents, hit one sliver with the ehrlich and then if it turns purple, take another and test it with the marquis, should give some reaction to 25i I believe?  maybe olive green?


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21834444 - 06/20/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you have taken 10 hits and you are still alive, chances are good that it was LSD ;-)

Else it is probably Nbome..

Nbome and DOB etc. have an overdose as low as 2mg, that's what can fit onto 1 tab, so 1 tab can send you to the hospital, people have been to hospital on as little as 500-1000ug 25i-nbome according to erowid, very unpredictable drug, one trip it works great at 1200ug, next one it sends you to the ER unconscious and in cramps with 600ug.

Only dealers with total neglect for other human beings would pass that off as LSD, you should be able to tell from the kind of person you get it from?

If you get it online, you have less of a chance of knowing if it is real, feedback can easily be faked there

Don't buy your LSD from gangsters :wink:

Of course I forgot to mention the long term vasoconstriction with the Nbomes, it starts in the feet and hands , they get cold, suddenly they turn black and rot off. Just like with Bromo Dragonfly. They have a high affinity compared to LSD so they are so powerful they can turn off blodflow to any part of your body permanently/for a long time/weeks. Guess what happens when you turn off blod flow to your brain, legs, arms, or kidneys?

Bromo Dragonfly should feel like really good LSD I've heard, just longer, same with the 25i-nbome. Just that suddenly your feet and arms get cold and you cannot feel them (vasoconstriction), then nose etc., then you get the seizures and end up in the ER in coma.

In low doses bromo dragonfly and 25i-nbome may not last longer than LSD, but if you take more than 1 hit, they will, and they can kill, many have died from them


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: lessismore]
    #21834900 - 06/21/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've read that slight numbness occurs with tabs that are verified to be LSD too, so I don't think that is irrefutable proof that what I have isn't LSD.

The vendor seems like a good guy, he resells from a very very reputable vendor that anyone who looks into purchasing LSD on the internet will know the name of. He does not have a single bad review .. I just find it unlikely he would sell bunk, knowing that all it takes is one bad review to throw your reputation off.

It's never impossible that what I have is bunk, but I feel like all the evidence I currently have makes it fairly unlikely, but I know the only way to be sure is to get a test kit. I don't really feel like tripping again any time soon... but if I do decide to, I'll be sure to drop the $20 or so to get a test kit first.

In all likelihood.. i'm just a nervous and anxious wreck and that was exagerrated in my trip and turned into body load.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21835007 - 06/21/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

hundreds of acid trips over 17 years and not ever once the slightest bit of numbness....

try the mushrooms if you haven't is my only suggestion :shrug:

believe whatever you want to...... 

btw i've had molly that has had thousands of positive feedbacks from the DNM that was bulllllllshit, then a wise fella recommended me another vendor, pressed pills of all things too, which i'd tend to trust less.... but BAM, I was in ecstasy heaven.... just sayin' :shrug:

hope you gave the vendor a negative rating - headache, nausea, numb tongue, shit trip


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: lessismore]
    #21835116 - 06/21/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nbome gives very slight numbness

LSD never does really for me..


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: lessismore]
    #21835386 - 06/21/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Numbness is concerning, aswell as bodyload which is more common with N-BOMes, it would've also been considerably bitter

As others have said an Ehlrich test should help to let you know if you have an indole which helps to narrow it down, UV can work if it's a good dose on there which sounds like there should be from your TR, but sending one tab into Energy Control for €50 is the only way to know 100%, i tend to send one from every batch in so i know it's accuratelty dosed

If you can upload a picture of the blotter next to a coin or something to judge the size of the paper, if it has any unique print on it... that can help to check it out too, there's an LSD print thread in the 'Other Drugs Discussion' forum, you obviously can't name the vendor here but other people can get on the DNMs and check it out for you :wink:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Chronic7]
    #21836903 - 06/21/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think we've talked enough about his symptoms

we should get back to helping him unlock his mind with LSD.



My suggestion - when you're tripping, test the limits of your perception. This might not come easilly the first few times, but try controlling your trip - and remember what it feels like to control your perceptions.

Some good ways to practice - find a complex and ranging pattern and just look at it for 30 minutes. Once it starts moving - embrace that feeling and slowly add your own hand to the mix

- Put on some blindfolds, pop on some headphones, find a big open space and play with the dreamscape! I've been able to make fractal bombs and color spirals, at this point I can even create rooms and detailed furniture.... Soon I'ma start learning how to blow fake rooms up :smile:




LSD allows you to test the limits of your perceptions - allow it to unblock your doubt - know that anything achieved on LSD is possible while sober - why wouldn't it be? You can control of how you perceive the world, it just takes time to get rid of the repression of that skill.

We are taught to perceive the world in a certain way, a realistic way. Abandoning that view takes a lot of time. I'm not even close and it's been 1-2 years


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    #21840608 - 06/22/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think we've talked enough about his symptoms

we should get back to helping him unlock his mind with LSD.





He needs to make sure he has LSD first, I don't think the OP will be tripping anytime soon after his experience anyway

So maybe we should help him to unlock his mind without psychedelics...

I recommend the OP takes up a meditation practice in order to understand his mind


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Chronic7]
    #21841824 - 06/22/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think we've talked enough about his symptoms

we should get back to helping him unlock his mind with LSD.





He needs to make sure he has LSD first, I don't think the OP will be tripping anytime soon after his experience anyway

So maybe we should help him to unlock his mind without psychedelics...

I recommend the OP takes up a meditation practice in order to understand his mind





I agree

Although I think that meditating without learning from an artificially raised vibration probably takes longer to achieve new things - because you have no reference to work from'

but idk for sure

lucid dreaming is cool too


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