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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
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evenbreak said: The body load. The constant feeling and fear of throwing up... I really hate throwing up, and I was trying to hold it back the whole trip, and I guess that made it worse. I have muscle tensions too on every psychedelic it seems, even weed.
This seems to make lsd a very unpleasant experience for me. You know what I experienced, after the peak? For the next 8 hours, I was experiencing the body load and it was provoking a primal feeling of a fear of sickness and death. I realized my mortality and humanity, and all I wanted was to never do this again and make my body and mind as healthy as possible so I'll feel sick as infrequently as possible. I ended the trip with a newfound appreciation for life and the realization that everyone else is in the same boat as me and we all feel suffering and will one day die and we need to just enjoy the time we have...
so i got a lot out of the trip... but it was so physically unpleasant for most of the duration. During the peak i saw a lot of weird ass shit that felt so vividly real, but that didn't compare to feeling the reality of the achings of my body..
i don't see how i could muster the will to take more acid within the near future... need at least a year i think... i don't know.
maybe this is a sign that it is not in your highest benefit to do these drugs (at least at this time)
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: deff]
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evenbreak said: The body load. The constant feeling and fear of throwing up... I really hate throwing up, and I was trying to hold it back the whole trip, and I guess that made it worse. I have muscle tensions too on every psychedelic it seems, even weed.
This seems to make lsd a very unpleasant experience for me. You know what I experienced, after the peak? For the next 8 hours, I was experiencing the body load and it was provoking a primal feeling of a fear of sickness and death. I realized my mortality and humanity, and all I wanted was to never do this again and make my body and mind as healthy as possible so I'll feel sick as infrequently as possible. I ended the trip with a newfound appreciation for life and the realization that everyone else is in the same boat as me and we all feel suffering and will one day die and we need to just enjoy the time we have...
so i got a lot out of the trip... but it was so physically unpleasant for most of the duration. During the peak i saw a lot of weird ass shit that felt so vividly real, but that didn't compare to feeling the reality of the achings of my body..
i don't see how i could muster the will to take more acid within the near future... need at least a year i think... i don't know.
maybe this is a sign that it is not in your highest interest to do these drugs (at least at this time) 
agreed. don't let me convince you otherwise
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: deff]
#21816471 - 06/16/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe this is a sign that it is not in your highest benefit to do these drugs (at least at this time) 
Or a sign that it was not LSD at all, I have never once experienced nausea or headaches on LSD, but I could see the neck tension if you were holding some weird posture, spacing out, without realizing it. In which case, jump in a hot tub or something ....
I've seen the Ehrlich reagent test go as cheap as $12.50 on eBay. Well worth the money for any head to have.
Watch that documentary on bunkpolice, something like 60% of the blotter going around festivals is some random bullshit RC.
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21817300 - 06/17/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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maybe this is a sign that it is not in your highest benefit to do these drugs (at least at this time) 
Or a sign that it was not LSD at all, I have never once experienced nausea or headaches on LSD, but I could see the neck tension if you were holding some weird posture, spacing out, without realizing it. In which case, jump in a hot tub or something ....
I've seen the Ehrlich reagent test go as cheap as $12.50 on eBay. Well worth the money for any head to have.
Watch that documentary on bunkpolice, something like 60% of the blotter going around festivals is some random bullshit RC.
Good points! The only times I threw up on LSD was my 2nd trip (after an upper class man said "It's not the acid, it's YOU," and he was right, and the time I insufflated 600 mcg of Orange Sunshine. But that was psychic overload. In fact, I developed migraines in college, especially after those trendy cheap wine & cheese meetings at school. 1/8 of a blotter (those 1/4" spots used to be a solid 250-300 mcg) used to relieve the migraine pain and nausea (unconverted ergot perhaps).
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So, since you're on the topic of bending reality and coping with reality on trips. Whenever my trip starts to go bad and I perceive myself being stuck in loops or ego-death, I ask myself what I would do without everything in my life. If I start to believe I am somewhere away from my body or dead, I start to ask myself what I want from my life; that is saying only if your trip goes bad. If you are truly having problems with good trips, I wouldn't recommend LSD. I would do something different or more creative. IMO
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: NightShades]
#21817464 - 06/17/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doesn't sound like LSD
but nausea, jaw problems etc. can happen on dirty stuff or when you are a beginner (psyche reaction: im feeling cold, im dying, i cant breathe, help me! - my neck hurts!)
you should always test with an Ehrlich test kit
your subconscious knows if you should do LSD or not do it, many stop after 1 trip, some keep on tripping till 100 trips
LSD has no taste , usually comes on 1/4" squares , and bodyload is rare but can happen for new users
I have had fake LSD before, not sure what chem it was, but it had a strong chemical taste, was sold as LSD.. that can be dangerous, you can OD easily on research chemicals, so always test your stuff
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: lessismore]
#21819042 - 06/17/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lessismore said: Doesn't sound like LSD
but nausea, jaw problems etc. can happen on dirty stuff or when you are a beginner (psyche reaction: im feeling cold, im dying, i cant breathe, help me! - my neck hurts!)
you should always test with an Ehrlich test kit
your subconscious knows if you should do LSD or not do it, many stop after 1 trip, some keep on tripping till 100 trips
LSD has no taste , usually comes on 1/4" squares , and bodyload is rare but can happen for new users
I have had fake LSD before, not sure what chem it was, but it had a strong chemical taste, was sold as LSD.. that can be dangerous, you can OD easily on research chemicals, so always test your stuff
Reading Jaw Problems when someone else said it triggered a slight memory in my mind that fake LSD does that.
As for handling a bad trip - I wish I could actually give advice. but it's my constant rationality that brings me out of bad trips. Ive taken 1. Expect nothing 2. Be content with everything 3. Open-mindedness. to heart. There is nothing that CAN depress me - why would there be? The only way I get overwhelmed is when I can't fully process and my parents randomly come home or some shit - and I deal with that by leaving and then I'm set.
With bad trips, from what I understand, it starts with a bad thought/feeling and just spirals out of control through psychedelic loops and the increased connectivity, once you start down a bad road it only gets worse and worse. Just knowing how to pull out of a cycle like that and just breathe, relax, and free your mind
I'm still learning how to REALLY free my mind, but taking some deep breaths and going for a walk or something generally helps me (but then again, I've never had a bad trip except on DMT, and I fixed those bad trips by just being OK with it or hugging my dog)
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maybe this is a sign that it is not in your highest benefit to do these drugs (at least at this time) 
Or a sign that it was not LSD at all, I have never once experienced nausea or headaches on LSD, but I could see the neck tension if you were holding some weird posture, spacing out, without realizing it. In which case, jump in a hot tub or something ....
I've seen the Ehrlich reagent test go as cheap as $12.50 on eBay. Well worth the money for any head to have.
Watch that documentary on bunkpolice, something like 60% of the blotter going around festivals is some random bullshit RC.
Good points! The only times I threw up on LSD was my 2nd trip (after an upper class man said "It's not the acid, it's YOU," and he was right, and the time I insufflated 600 mcg of Orange Sunshine. But that was psychic overload. In fact, I developed migraines in college, especially after those trendy cheap wine & cheese meetings at school. 1/8 of a blotter (those 1/4" spots used to be a solid 250-300 mcg) used to relieve the migraine pain and nausea (unconverted ergot perhaps).
Well, I've always preferred LSD to psilocybin mushrooms in part because the acid did not cause me nausea. Shrooms, OTOH, did (particularly at higher doses, 5g etc.) but it was a short, passing thing that was worth it.... 45mins or so after consuming the shrooms and the nausea would pass. All in all, I'd recommend the OP trying the mushrooms instead, perhaps as tea. I generally don't recall experiencing the nausea from shroom tea, or having shroom bits stuck in my teeth for that matter .
Without advising a dosage to take, with good, potent mushrooms I'd compare 1 hit of 100ug of clean acid to 1.75g of mushrooms, 200ug to 3.5g of mushrooms, and 300ug to 5g of mushrooms.
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21822024 - 06/18/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is no nausea with mushroom chocolates, got a tek in my journal
At least not with 4-4.5g, I don't even feel like I've eaten anything
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: lessismore]
#21823255 - 06/18/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lessismore said: There is no nausea with mushroom chocolates, got a tek in my journal
At least not with 4-4.5g, I don't even feel like I've eaten anything
Maybe that's why the Meso-Americans took Chocolatyl ("Food of the Gods") along with Teonanacatyl ("Flesh of the Gods").
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huh?
Chocolate shrooms are just about as good as good LSD, very enjoyable
And I probably have to agree with the above dosage, 3.5g is a pretty solid dose on mushrooms, surprised me a few times , 5g is not something I want to repeat too often ;-)
5g is a terrific dose to make you respect the mushroom, if you don't respect it with 5g, you never will
But maybe not a pleasant lesson..
It seems it doesn't matter much what tool we use, only that we use it right, most psychedelics can teach the same and often look almost the same in the trip as well
You can get there without these tools as well, there are ways to look into your mind without the drug (lucid dreaming, hypnosis, regression, consistent meditation and many other ways)
I really just tripped to have fun, whatever came as a side effect was just a bonus
Expectations can ruin the trip a bit sometimes, because then you may be disappointed, if you got no expectations you may be surprised
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: lessismore]
#21826493 - 06/19/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it is important to remember the psychedelics can amplify symptoms you already have, so if you live day to day with stomach issues, headaches, and neck tension, some acid may just exacerbate your identification with the "pain body" unless possibly used in a therapeutic setting... Just my $.02. These same psychedelics have helped people who are dying and in chronic pain.... It is interesting when you think about it
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21827891 - 06/19/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: I think it is important to remember the psychedelics can amplify symptoms you already have, so if you live day to day with stomach issues, headaches, and neck tension, some acid may just exacerbate your identification with the "pain body" unless possibly used in a therapeutic setting... Just my $.02. These same psychedelics have helped people who are dying and in chronic pain.... It is interesting when you think about it 
I 100% agree with you here
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21829522 - 06/19/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: I think it is important to remember the psychedelics can amplify symptoms you already have, so if you live day to day with stomach issues, headaches, and neck tension, some acid may just exacerbate your identification with the "pain body" unless possibly used in a therapeutic setting... Just my $.02. These same psychedelics have helped people who are dying and in chronic pain.... It is interesting when you think about it 
that's probably what happened.. I am an anxious person and I do get headaches a lot and probably tighten up my body a lot due to anxiety.
don't know much I can do about that ... i guess acid just isn't for me right now
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
#21829544 - 06/19/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i agree w/ emphasis on emotions. .
and there was, ah this one slipped my memory; but a reference to a psychotropic in a sci-fi show, or a psychadelic or something which was used in the similar type of way, and it was something along the lines of 'amplifies what's already there, the good and bad; so if you're a good man, you're great,' etc. it was definitely Riker talking hahaha. I remembered that much. 
but in terms of inner states. .. it would be kinda like that. . so all the more important to spend a while in practice a-fore hand. .
but nah, no need to do it today - all i would say is, whenever it feels right
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
#21829548 - 06/19/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mescaline hcl feels pretty wonderful if you can come across it, low doses feel a lot like mdma with some mild psychedelic effects
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once in a lifetime said: i agree w/ emphasis on emotions. .
and there was, ah this one slipped my memory; but a reference to a psychotropic in a sci-fi show, or a psychadelic or something which was used in the similar type of way, and it was something along the lines of 'amplifies what's already there, the good and bad; so if you're a good man, you're great,' etc. it was definitely Riker talking hahaha. I remembered that much. 
but in terms of inner states. .. it would be kinda like that. . so all the more important to spend a while in practice a-fore hand. .
but nah, no need to do it today - all i would say is, whenever it feels right 
hehe I like the idea of it amplifying whats there - because then Im the best motherfucker ever
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: glimpee]
#21831104 - 06/20/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doesn't sound like LSD, any nausea usually passes within less than a minute during the first hour, also your body should generally feel lighter rather than have a load on it, it is totally possible that fear manifested as nausea and bodyload tho
Did the tab taste bitter? Did it numb your tongue? How long did it take before you felt something significant?
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Chronic7]
#21832568 - 06/20/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Within 40 minutes I was tripping hard as fuck and every 1 minute was lasting 15 minutes. It wasn't bitter but there was very very slight numbing under my tongue.
My body wasn't feeling good throughout the trip.. aches, tension, and just weird sensations.. not necessarily unpleasant, but i was just feeling these foreign sensations and I guess they could be interpreted as either good or bad and I interpreted them as bad. I never threw up btw... just had a fear of throwing up.
I wish there wasn't all this anxiety and unpleasantness... I have 25 more tabs and nothing to do with it because I don't want to feel fucked up lol. The mind fuckery was fun, the body load was not.
I am pretty sure it was LSD because I obtained it from a well reviewed vendor and no one has ever said his LSD was bunk. His stuff was expensive but well-reputed and that is why I paid so much more for it
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
#21832614 - 06/20/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry for asking again, did you test with Ehrlich test?
Else you can never really be sure, there are like 20-30 chems that could be on your tab, or even several chemicals at once...
Bromo dragonfly, DOx, Nbome to name a few, LSZ, LSH, 5meodmt, and many more , maybe 2cb too not sure about that one
Many people think they got LSD, but then they got a research chemical
You cannot trust any online vendor, or offline vendor today really , even if you know the vendor, you gotta test it still
Your friends may say it is good lsd, but then they weren't sure
Question everything
If you got money for 25 hits, you got money for a test kit, stop wasting your time with guessing, you cannot guess it from the time / trip report alone.
Preferably you should get both the Ehrlich test kit + an UV pen for $5 as well , lsd glows blue under uv light
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