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OfflineDayMoon
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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Anonymous]
    #475859 - 12/01/01 07:13 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Ok Markos...
In the process of "guiding people half" your "age" and planting the idea in their head that they may be possessed, and there is an indication that they "believe it", at least be responsible and ethical enough to recommend some type of guidance or follow up in dealing with their problem. This young man (assuming such) may very well be terrified and and feeling helpless. His last post at the very least reflects considerable 'concern'. You don't know how "labile" his psychological/psychiatric state may be. When you pop on here tauting yourself as a psychotherapist, especially in your razzel-dazzel manner, you have the responsibility ethically and morally to take care in what you say. You should KNOW that Markos. Your disregard for that only substantiates MY personal perceptions and suspicion about your alleged "altruistic" intentions. Now that you have opened that door, you as a professional have the ethical responsibility of offering this young man your services or refering him to an appropriate "healer". Leaving him hanging in some abstract obscurity in down right mean and callus.

I see no need to continue responding to this thread. Hopefully your being confronted about this Markos will cause you to be a little more mindful about what and how you post on here.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: DayMoon]
    #475948 - 12/01/01 10:35 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Obviously it hasn't occurred to you that the more personal aspects of my communication, including referral suggestions, may be taking place through private e mail correspondance outside of this public forum. DUH! That you are not part of this dialogue also seems to disturb you. You are very clearly not in any position to question my ethics or motives. Moreover, you have some learning to acquire, not to mention some manners. Concern and response on this public forum is NOT psychotherapy, even if it come from a therapist. It could amount to that on private e mail, pro bono, since there is no fee agreement, but you or the public are not gonna hear about that from me. That would be breaking confidentiality. I do not answer to you, and have no interest in your appraisal of my motives. The very fact that you come on as my personal ethical review board indicates your own inflation. Buzz off.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #477197 - 12/02/01 02:24 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

whew... well if anyone still cares, the weird moving vision I was getting has disappeared. My third eye is closed...

oh yeah, and I keep associating females with serpents... my girlfriend "turned into" this snake-like creature last night, and that fearful, curious feeling came back to me. Ever notice how getting excitedly intimate with someone can resemble snakes dancing with each other? Im dancing with the snake, and it could devour me at any moment...

HAHAhahahah im insane


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Adamist]
    #477209 - 12/02/01 02:36 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Ride the snake...


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Anonymous]
    #10653231 - 07/10/09 02:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i also had a snake inside me, it was a silver serpent in my brain, it had the power to destroy me but didnt, this was 5 years ago and im still trying to understand the visions, the snake came to me when i was coming down off a 7 grm trip of shrooms,i thought my trip was just about over and  i was getting ready to go to sleep and there it was, it didnt matter if my eyes were open or closed i could see it and feel it watching over me,it would go in my head and explore then come out and watch me. it was like a mechanical serpent evaluating me, it was the clearest vision ive ever had and im still having trouble making sence of it after years, it scared the hell out of me because i wasnt really tripping when it happened and to this day it still bothers me because i dont know what it was, what it wanted, or what it was doing.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: knowwon]
    #10653703 - 07/10/09 03:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I hope the experience didn't make you want to stop using shrooms, I wonder if anything has the power to destroy you unless you give power over to it.
2000+ days equals 7+ years, the oldest reply to a post I've seen but it's an interesting subject.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Adamist]
    #10658924 - 07/11/09 03:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I had visions of numerous different snakes

I think when tripping, snakes represent DNA.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: knowwon]
    #10659104 - 07/11/09 04:29 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Epic bump.  I remember this thread.  Wonder what Adamist is up to these days.

I'm reminded of this story (it's a good read)
http://deoxy.org/shamanway.htm


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Adamist]
    #10659399 - 07/11/09 05:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I have had a very similar experience to the OP and I believe that he was being tempted by a negative entity into making a pact.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... (moved) [Re: Adamist]
    #10659464 - 07/11/09 05:32 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This thread was moved from Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology.

Reason:
Even though this is such an old topic, it's still better suited for M&P.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... (moved) [Re: deCypher]
    #10659688 - 07/11/09 06:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, what synchronicity!! I hardly ever surf this site these days, but today I just happened to be browsing the main forum page and the words "The Snakes are..." caught me eye! Has it really been 7 years & 7 months??

Well, I am still dealing with this energy. I think the original experience was kundalini-related, and perhaps I was projecting my shadow self, which is why it felt so alien. I believe I was trying to become more integrated as a whole, and that's why it was so scary. I was not prepared for it at the time, and obviously I am still struggling to understand. This energy inside me causes pain occasionally, in different parts of my body. It usually moves between the base of my spine into my stomach area. Also lately I've been having chest pains, and trouble breathing. I've been to doctors for all of these symptoms, with no definitive diagnosis. They think the pain is psychosomatic, but to me it feels quite real.

I think slowly over the years I have become more integrated with this energy, whatever it may be. I no longer think of it as an "alien" force. It is now a part of me (or always has been). I will never forget this experience though, and hopefully posting it has been of some help or comfort to somebody else out there.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... (moved) [Re: Adamist]
    #10659748 - 07/11/09 06:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting.  Have you tried DMT out of curiosity?  This was invaluable as far as spiritual cleansing goes and was enormously helpful in expelling foreign spirits from my energy body.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Adamist]
    #10672306 - 07/13/09 10:14 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, well, like a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim, you do NOT want to take visionary experiences (a) literally, like they take religious writings (b). No, despite what Voudun houngans say about internal snakes, or Santeria santeros, you have neither minions of the L'wa Damballah (c), nor do you have extraterrestrials (d) or interdimensional beings (e). If you choose to select options (b), (c), (d), or (e), then you are fixating on an idea (idea fixe), and you will be considered to be delusional by most mental health professionals (including myself).

Meanwhile, visionary experiences (a) [Note: I am not calling them, perjoratively, 'hallucinations'] should be contemplated, the symbolism of the visions should be explored intellectually, following your emotional reactions to them, until you understand the universality of serpents as the object of visionary experience from the Gilgamesh Epic to the Genesis story, to the Nagas in India, to Pre-Colombian art, etc., etc. NO you're not the first person to have these visions, get over your adolescent self and stop panicking. Also stop dosing until you've assimilated this experience or you'll end up tied to a gurney in a psych ward.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Icelander]
    #10672333 - 07/13/09 10:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
I had visions of numerous different snakes

I think when tripping, snakes represent DNA.



It's an interesting prospect.  Many have commented on the similarity between the DNA double-helix and the caduceus:



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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Adamist]
    #10672354 - 07/13/09 10:20 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)


      LILITH


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Adamist]
    #10672557 - 07/13/09 10:58 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Adamist said:

oh yeah, and I keep associating females with serpents... my girlfriend "turned into" this snake-like creature last night, and that fearful, curious feeling came back to me. Ever notice how getting excitedly intimate with someone can resemble snakes dancing with each other? Im dancing with the snake, and it could devour me at any moment...

HAHAhahahah im insane




Wow

I have had an experience with LSD that is similar to ^^ 

There is much more to this story and ive been planning on writing a trip report about that night but heres my short and to the point version of what i experienced

Setting: night of 4th of july, in woods, laying down watching stars on LSD


While fondling through a girls hand with my fingers an immense power came over me which drew my opposing (right) hand to the ground. This sent a surge of energy through my left hand (which was with the girl), which felt much like two opposing magnets, while my right hand seemed plastered to the ground with immense gravitational pull. I then witnessed nothing more than a serpent rapidly coiling around a figure of a women , which reminded me much of the DNA double helix . This vision would trickle out of existence stoped playing with her hand, then back in when i resumed. This lasted for about 1-2?minutes? I am still learning much from this experience.:heart:


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #10672937 - 07/14/09 12:15 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes, well, like a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim, you do NOT want to take visionary experiences (a) literally, like they take religious writings (b). No, despite what Voudun houngans say about internal snakes, or Santeria santeros, you have neither minions of the L'wa Damballah (c), nor do you have extraterrestrials (d) or interdimensional beings (e). If you choose to select options (b), (c), (d), or (e), then you are fixating on an idea (idea fixe), and you will be considered to be delusional by most mental health professionals (including myself).

Meanwhile, visionary experiences (a) [Note: I am not calling them, perjoratively, 'hallucinations'] should be contemplated, the symbolism of the visions should be explored intellectually, following your emotional reactions to them, until you understand the universality of serpents as the object of visionary experience from the Gilgamesh Epic to the Genesis story, to the Nagas in India, to Pre-Colombian art, etc., etc. NO you're not the first person to have these visions, get over your adolescent self and stop panicking. Also stop dosing until you've assimilated this experience or you'll end up tied to a gurney in a psych ward.




Who said I was taking anything literally, or still dosing for that matter? It's been quite some time since my last psychedelic experience. I was merely updating this thread with my current views on the original experience, and nothing I said relates to your pompous descriptions. Unless you were replying to someone else, please explain yourself.


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Adamist]
    #10675811 - 07/14/09 02:56 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Here's a post I made a few months after this experience... I'm adding it to this thread so Markos can see plainly that I am not delusional, and that I've worked hard to integrate this experience-

The past month has been such a rollercoasting of extreme feelings and experiences, that I thought I might share with you tonite a fraction of a grand story that we are all characters of. My mushroom experiences are limited to three voyages into higher vibrational frequencies, all of which had a profound effect on my "normal" life. As I reflect I notice a pattern in the spiritual path I have undertook...

Briefly - in the first "experience", I became aware of the walls around me. I became aware of the spirit of the Earth. I became aware of how I was connected with this massive, dreamy, loving Earth that is a knowing environment of this holy experience. This trip prepared me for what was to come...

My second time on mushrooms, it felt like i was warped into an eternal dimension where so many things were revealed that I have trouble remembering it all. Im sure you all know what im talking about... During this trip I overcame ego completely, and opened all of my chakras, including the illusive crown chakra, which spun energy so fast around my obdula oblungota I felt like I was warping into hyperspace. I could feel energy spinning at the speed of light around my brain, I could feel some kind of field around myself. I experienced the true love, the light that I had forgotten since birth, the shining light of where I came from. In the eternal dimension I was boosted into space towards a planet which I now suspect as being Uranus (ruler of Aquarius). I approached this planet in spirit form and had telapathic conversation with it... It told me that I was part of It's flock It had sent to Earth for the particular purpose of shifting the Earth's consciousness, or dimension. (I cannot be for sure the EXACT meaning since it was communicated through my mind, which slightly alters any truth to my version of "truth") Also during this experience I met with some sort of Hindu serpent god/goddess that morphed my meditation posture into a "cock n ball" image (I was viewing myself out-of-body at the time). I suspect it to be Kali or Shiva, particulary since I recently discovered that according to Hindu legend, Kali was born on the same day as I (February 17th).

Anyways, the third and most recent experience involved an intensely painful, fearful, and blissful Kundalini awakening. I was alone, afraid, and pitiful when i sent out "the call" for higher guidance to get me through my Fear into Love. (Be careful what you wish for, by the way..) Anyway, the serpent being came again (this time not in the form of Kali or Shiva, but more of an "alien" form) and revealed to me that the road I wanted was the hardest road of all, but with the most blissful rewards to reap. I agreed, and we made some sort of pact on a deeper level that I am still discovering the small print to :wink:


Some of the small print revealed so far:
All the problems that come with kundalini energy, such as digestive problems, aching muscles, splitting headaches, pains in the left foot, intense depression, the terrifying fear that comes with confronting your fears, etc... But I wouldn't of made this pact if the rewards were not worth the pain. At some stages of the cycle (usually after I break down the fear-created walls around me) I experience a most blissful state in which my chakras bloom (mostly my heart chakra), I can see things with my Third Eye, and my Higher Self comes down to be here now, in this body, to help me along this path. Ive noticed that my pupils become large when my Higher Self is here, and that I feel liquidy warm sensations up and down my spine and in my chest (all of this occurs sober, keep in mind).

This brings me to my current state... I never imagined how hard this could be, to confront my innermost fears and embrace light and love with my entire being... but I'm getting there...
Sorry for writing a "life story", im sure most of you are tired of this kind of stuff by now, but I would be interested in hearing anything similar from anyone, so I figured I'd put part of my own story out for someone else's interest. Its comforting to know I am not alone in this and that I really am not going insane when so many around me are sleeping and Im trying to wake up. "Is there even something to wake up to?" my Fear asks, and that deeply instilled intuitive KNOWing that was ignited through the mushroom replies with a definite, comforting, "yes".

I will leave you all with a quote I found on the net today that sent those tingly feelings you get when you recognize serious synchronicity at work:
"The shaman seers of the Fourth World generally agree that those who tenaciously cling to the past will fall into mass insanity. The serpent power of the Aquarian Age is upon us. The Kundalini of Gaia is about to awaken. No one can avoid being affected. Most human beings may go out of their minds; others will go beyond mind."  -John Hogue


Edited by Adamist (07/14/09 03:01 PM)


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Adamist]
    #10675861 - 07/14/09 03:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Jeeze kind of harsh there Markos.

Where else could a conversation start right back up where it left off 8 years ago? :lol:


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Re: The Snakes are inside me... [Re: Adamist]
    #10678306 - 07/14/09 10:00 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Why dredge something up unless it's unfinished business?
Why depict something in a way that is so unclear that it invites an interpretation?
Why consider an orientation to conventional reality as being "pompous?"
Who gives a rats ass if your "still dosing?" The remark was that dosing on top of an unassimilated experience replete with disturbing imagery and affect very easily leads to brief psychotic episodes or worse.
Why post if you expect only agreeable responses?
Why does a challenge cause affront and not simply elicit further clarification on your part?
Have I explained myself sufficiently?


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