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MarkostheGnostic said: Well, you can disagree all you want, but the Grateful Dead evokes joy for the most part, not head trips. I'm not talking about their cowboy songs, I'm talking about their inspired Garcia-Hunter and Weir-Barlow songs, their improvisational space into drums, their insertion of songs-within-songs which stretch the outer song like taffy, changing one's sense of time radically. When the dosage gets very high classic Indian sitar by Ravi Shankar (selected ragas) is the way to go. Western classic music is WAY too structured and confining. Garcia's first solo album from track 5 to 10 will, even for experienced tripper, take one back to before one's birth into a realm of ecstatic joy. There is nothing in my musical repertoire that is more potent. Don't believe me, just try it. Grateful dead is uniquely "rock music in a jazz idiom," but that does not explain anything. Do this guy a favor and desist from recommending Handel's Messiah, Bach's Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring or Gregorian chants because you are into Christian religiosity. He needs to remain WIDE OPEN. So instead of paying lip-service to my age and wisdom, actually trust my advice for his benefit. The Grateful Dead sound is a 'cosmic canvas,' a wide open space for his mind to expand into. BE HERE NOW is interdenominational. Let his spiritual path be shown him by the Spirit, not you or me.

Thanks Markos, i will try listening to that on my next trip.
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Deviate]
#21754042 - 06/02/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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simple stuff is usually good stuff;
sugar magnolia,
scarlet begonias,
ripple,
i love 'em.
shake down street is kind of sweet but it's your taste of view.
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Deviate]
#21755450 - 06/02/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks Markos, i will try listening to that on my next trip.
To paraphrase Yoda, 'Do not try. Do.' Turn off the lights, turn up the volume, close your eyes and LISTEN. Really LISTEN. Track 5-10 exclusively, during the peak.
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CosmicJoke said: I have, 'tis a good album, though Garcia in the studio has never been my personal preference.
The wheel is turning and you can't slow down You can't let go and you can't hold on You can't go back and you can't stand still If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will
I don't like engineered, I like risks, I like chances of failure, maybe it will be a bad show.... maybe some extraordinary magic will happen.
Live shows were one thing, and they are a thing of the past. Now I engineer set & setting and I still get results from this myself as well as with those who haven't Really heard those tracks in the optimal state. Sometimes, in the safety of my house during a trip I can't even imagine how I used to dose among loud crowds, bright lights, and the over-stimulation of huge shows. Oh yeah, I do remember freaking out and leaving Englishtown soon after Dead came on. Speed to wake up from camping and two 400 mcg nickle-sized blotters. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_Dead_discography#Dick.27s_Picks
just trying to help buddy big compendium to choose from.... yanno, the studio recordings are lovely, but he surely seemed to have a knack for improvisation 
might even yanno hear something you haven't before
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21755584 - 06/02/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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eventually I came to realize jazz is pretty much best
<3
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21755689 - 06/03/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The new 80 disk boxed set costs $699.98. I bought the $450 boxed set but I'm not crazy about their limited repertoire in '72. Europe '72 was actually sufficient for me by itself. I never open this box. But THIS boxed set...Shit. http://www.dead.net/store/special-edition-shops/50th-anniversary-shop/30-trips-around-sun-box?eml=dn/30TripsAroundSu-body-inline-top-1-1/2015June2/2443830/6131962&etsubid=39873032 I ONLY saw them 50-60 times between 1972-1994. Listening to a show right NOW.
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ok i give in 700mg mescaline in
spidergawd into eep hour, yowza, that was fuckin' great
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MarkostheGnostic said: The new 80 disk boxed set costs $699.98. I bought the $450 boxed set but I'm not crazy about their limited repertoire in '72. Europe '72 was actually sufficient for me by itself. I never open this box. But THIS boxed set...Shit. http://www.dead.net/store/special-edition-shops/50th-anniversary-shop/30-trips-around-sun-box?eml=dn/30TripsAroundSu-body-inline-top-1-1/2015June2/2443830/6131962&etsubid=39873032 I ONLY saw them 50-60 times between 1972-1994. Listening to a show right NOW.
i got into the whole dead scene via trading cassette tapes of live shows 
seems a bit greedy
especially when they are offering it digitally too
should be able to pick and choose which ones you want rather than an all or nothing $700
meh, the dead have already made their living imho....
i wouldn't be beyond this one
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once in a lifetime said: eventually I came to realize jazz is pretty much best
<3
well then jerry garcia and howard wales might suit your fancy, i always loved this album
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21757931 - 06/03/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I very pleasant "I told you so" going out to ya.
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well my favorite part was tracks 5-6, spidergawd into eep hour, that was sheer psychedelic awe inspiring intensity, mean like seeing dali's hallucinogenic toreador for the first time....
was getting a nice massage from a honey during to lay me down, mescaline is very mdma like, it's great for body work, just feeling comfortable in your own skin and owning your own his-story and being free and open and honest and candid with it..... visuals aren't so impressive.... no spiderweb imagery for me, was more like rolling hills... the visual component was far from the pinnacle of the trip of even at high dose, would say it's more empatheogenic with some psychedelic features... is good for self esteem i guess, feel like with all the that life has to offer, i'm coping with it all pretty well
if you've ever taken a very low dose of acid w/ some clean mdma that is close enough facsimile to what mescaline is imho
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said: well my favorite part was tracks 5-6, spidergawd into eep hour, that was sheer psychedelic awe inspiring intensity, mean like seeing dali's hallucinogenic toreador for the first time....
was getting a nice massage from a honey during to lay me down, mescaline is very mdma like, it's great for body work, just feeling comfortable in your own skin and owning your own his-story and being free and open and honest and candid with it..... visuals aren't so impressive.... no spiderweb imagery for me, was more like rolling hills... the visual component was far from the pinnacle of the trip of even at high dose, would say it's more empatheogenic with some psychedelic features... is good for self esteem i guess, feel like with all the that life has to offer, i'm coping with it all pretty well
if you've ever taken a very low dose of acid w/ some clean mdma that is close enough facsimile to what mescaline is imho
Never done any 'candy-flipping' (LSD & MDMA), I'm something of a purist and do not think I could process the combination, but I certainly know their effects separately. I never took enough Peyote to get a threshold effect and I've never had synthetic Mescaline. I remember reading in the book Helter Skelter, about the Mansonoids, that someone in that scene (maybe Gary Hinman whose ear they cut off), had a 'small Mescaline lab setup.' Always wondered about whether the precursors were more easily obtainable than for acid. It certainly has to be less esoteric than making acid (e.g., working under amber and red light during certain stages).
Correction: Extraction is a lot easier than synthesis. http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/318810-mescaline-extract-synthesis/
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I'm usually pretty purist with my MDMA, as I've found that cannabis and alcohol take away from the empatheogenic feelings, but I've had one experience candyflipping (quite recently) and it was sublime. I just worry about the purity of these drugs these days so always recommend reagent testing Of course in another 25yrs I may not find it so wise to be adventurous w/ mixing such potent substances.
As for extracting, yes that's the only sensible way to go:
69ron's D-Limonene Mescalaline Extraction
Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/69ron%27s_D-Limonene_Mescaline_Extraction
You can me on how to get lot of potent dried san pedro cactus powder if it actually interests you..... Gnrm originally showed me the site, and then Ice reminded me of it later down the road. I tried to toss and wash the dried cactus powder at a Starwood festival and gagged, got zero effects.... A tea might be more reasonable, https://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml
but 69ron's Extraction would be the most ideal imho.
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
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haven't heard of howard wales; jorma kaukonen is an artist i love, jammed with jerry some too. of course GD is among the all times greatests. .
pentangling by pentangle is a pretty vunderful song. they a folk band who incorporated jazz elements strongly at times.
look't him up, he looks pretty:


and i love the brevity of the wiki article about him 
will look him up, thanks. i like to explore artists randomly or feel my way through their music so to speak. . . and gradually.
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Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna, of course I know him
He & Jerry def jammed out.......
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21762638 - 06/04/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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haha yeah, I heard them mentioned somewhere and stored it away. . never knew most mainstream; but hestitation blues by hot tuna was the first song i learned on guitar.. quite a few years later i came back to him and yeah. Genesis blew me away; a few listens before it resonated so deeply, and i wanna slowly get to all of Quah.. he turned me onto Rev. Gary Davis too, awesome blues artist, wrote a few wonderful songs.
some songs are so deep, and pass me by at first; slow rolling waves, gentle beauty
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Genesis has such insane concept albums, truly meant to be listened to from start to finish, like with a good pair of headphones and close your eyes...
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
#21762686 - 06/04/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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loveliest song i've ever heard a few ways
u prolly got it sooner than me at first w/ i heard it i heard it barely then a few years later heard again and feels like rolling eternity basically; some songs never get old. some few.
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once in a lifetime said: i mean the song Genesis, is there an album too? from Quah
Ahhh, I see, I was multitasking and misread.... thought you were speaking in tangent of the band Genesis
listening to Jorma Kaukonen Genesis right now, some stellar lyrics
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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
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-------------------- Innocent, Oldfield & Hegerland Julia Delaney, Bothy Band Rasta Girl, Sister Carol Genesis, Jorma K I Wish You Peace, Lawrence Laughing Do Your Thing, Moondog large . . music garden . . veryall peace them hiStarhouse - main Time Traveler's Guide
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