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lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz
    #21746826 - 05/31/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sup, anyone read cosmic trigger by Robert anton wilson, or any of his other books?

Ever since reading that book, the idea of using LSD to "unlock" parts of my mind sounds very appealing. Has anyone experimented with this before?

I am getting into mystical eastern religion and esoteric western occult stuff. Meditation, pranayama, magick, etc. I have read a lot about it, because it fascinates me, but I'm not too successful at any of them yet. I have been practicing concentration meditation for about one and a half years, with mediocre results but still better than nothing.

I want to take lsd to jump start my spiritual journey. I want crazy experiences that last an entire lifetime. I want to get rid of all these mental roadblocks that I've accumulated in my life. Lots of neurosis and procrastination and anxiety and depression.

Robert Anton Wilson wrote about experiences with seeing gods and aliens and leprechauns(seriously) during his trips, and then after his trips in his daily life. When I tripped(on RC's only) a couple years ago, I never experienced anything that crazy. All I got was a trippy headspace and standard psychedelic experiences, but nothing so profound as conversing with deities and actually seeing them when the chemicals are gone from my body.

So how can I ensure that my next psychedelic experience will be like Robert Wilson's, and not like my previous ones?


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21746926 - 06/01/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

R.A.W. had his experiences and you'll have your's, not his. Besides, Astral Plane phenomena are fascinating, but that is the problem - fascination. Magickal things fascinate the rational mind so accustomed to the Physical Plane and the senses which perceive it. The subtle plane phenomena may prevent further spiritual progress through the Causal Plane to Non-Duality wherein the Truth of Reality shines. Zen Buddhists call fixation on paranormal phenomena 'makyo,' illusory. if you acknowledge these planes, there is a good chance that you'll see the occasional phasing in and out of such things. I did, along with my ex-wife and our sheepdog who raised her head and tilted it in curiosity. We thought a rat or opossum had gotten into the house, but it was just another of those momentary ovoid, grey moving 'things' that appear and disappear in the shadows. My current wife saw 'duppies' climb out of a mango tree when she moved to Jamaica at age 7 from London. Nobody told her about cloaked, top-hatted entities. Once in a while, we'll see something move on the floor by our grandfather clock. Projections? Astral critters? Neurological glitches? Hallucinations? Whatever. Nothing to spend your life on.

Yes, I read Cosmic Trigger long ago and traded the book. There is little more fascinating than occult matters, but fascination can detract from the more practical and important process of Self-Realization which has nothing to do with 'externals' or psychic powers (siddhis). LSD and other psychedelics can be used to help one experience what otherwise remains as mere platitudes or concepts, but it is useful to have an experienced guide at least at the outset. It is instructive to have a "Man of Knowledge" to bounce one's thoughts off of to do Reality checks. This would be a psychedelic guide, but psychopomps (soul-guides) are not found in the Yellow Pages® or Yelp.

You really do not want "crazy experiences" unless you foolishly think there is value in precipitating schizophrenia. What you should aim for are experiences that wake you up to the unconscious assumptions that you have been robotically acting out, reducing the neuroses you wisely named, and the cultivation of mental health, NOT craziness.  You do not know what mental illness entails so you should cease and desist inviting it. That's tantamount to invoking a demon that you are ill-equipped to handle. Same deal. Non-ordinary reality is not the same thing as mental illness. Psychedelics are not psychotomimetic - mimicking psychosis - as once believed, but they can elicit psychosis in people who have that process brewing in the unconscious. Be careful what you ask for, and choose wisely.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21746971 - 06/01/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do want to wake up, and I think crazy experiences are what I need to be able to wake up. Maybe I do need a little bit of schizophrenia, because my mind is far too grounded. I know from your perspective I sound naive and dumb, but trust me I have thought this through for a long time. You can't dive into magick and occult when your mind is incredibly grounded into the materialistic reality. I need something to shake up my perception.

For what I'm looking for, how much do you think my dosage should be? I plan on just meditating by myself in my room for the duration of the trip.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21747069 - 06/01/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I do want to wake up, and I think crazy experiences are what I need to be able to wake up. Maybe I do need a little bit of schizophrenia, because my mind is far too grounded. I know from your perspective I sound naive and dumb, but trust me I have thought this through for a long time. You can't dive into magick and occult when your mind is incredibly grounded into the materialistic reality. I need something to shake up my perception.

For what I'm looking for, how much do you think my dosage should be? I plan on just meditating by myself in my room for the duration of the trip.




I do not think you're "dumb," but naive just means young and therefore inexperienced. There is no such thing as "a little bit of schizophrenia," and if that disease is not latent you will not develop it. However, failure to handle the onslaught of too much data can precipitate a transient psychotic episode, which are usually 'punished' in hospitals with restraints and unnecessary blood tests under bright light and other unpleasantries, not to mention legal problems with law enforcement, thereby creating an even worse situation than the original psychological one.

I'm not in a position to recommend any dosage level to you for a variety of reasons, the first one being that you sound uncertain about the methodology of using psychedelics. One does not want to leave physical reality( and become psychotic) so much as to experience Reality as Mind, and to Realize that materiality, molecules, atoms, originated from formless energy before it cooled into particles and hence matter. Further, that the primordial energy originated from a Mystery that was present prior to the physical universe. In other words, the origin of the physical is metaphysical, and being eternal, it co-exists with materiality, Here & Now. So whatever you decide to take, pick up a copy of BE HERE NOW and read the first part before you embark, and the core book during. That is my recommendation. :wink: Nice spacey Grateful Dead riffs and Ravi Shankar ragas have always been my preferred musical accompaniment to this kind of thing. Just sayin'.




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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21749868 - 06/01/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The only help I can give you is my experience and what has worked for me, but remember, this is just my experience.

First of all, you don't want LSD, what you want is cactus, fly agaric mushrooms and marijuana. Stay away from synthetics.

Next, you need to study the spiritual path in depth so you at least have some idea of what directions NOT to go in. Study whatever teachers/teachings you feel drawn to. I can recommend a few things if you want. I highly recommend studying at least one path that incorporates God and worship of God.

Lastly, markos is older and wiser than I am and I hate disagreeing with him but in this case, I must steer you away from the grateful dead. I say this as a deadhead myself, who has spent many hours tripping to their music.

As wonderful and ecstatic their music is, as I have grown spiritually I have begun to observe the effects of different music on my energy field and I am about 98% sure that the music of the grateful dead causes one's energy to flow in the wrong direction. What you want is classical music, spiritual music, religious music, or shamanic music. Yesterday while listening to native american peyote music, I could feel my energy collecting within me in the exact opposite direction as I experience listening to the grateful dead.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: Deviate] * 1
    #21750508 - 06/01/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well, you can disagree all you want, but the Grateful Dead evokes joy for the most part, not head trips. I'm not talking about their cowboy songs, I'm talking about their inspired Garcia-Hunter and Weir-Barlow songs, their improvisational space into drums, their insertion of songs-within-songs which stretch the outer song like taffy, changing one's sense of time radically. When the dosage gets very high classic Indian sitar by Ravi Shankar (selected ragas) is the way to go. Western classic music is WAY too structured and confining. Garcia's first solo album from track 5 to 10 will, even for experienced tripper, take one back to before one's birth into a realm of ecstatic joy. There is nothing in my musical repertoire that is more potent. Don't believe me, just try it. Grateful Dead is uniquely "rock music in a jazz idiom," but that does not explain anything. Do this guy a favor and desist from recommending Handel's Messiah, Bach's Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring or Gregorian chants because you are into Christian religiosity. He needs to remain WIDE OPEN. So instead of paying lip-service to my age and wisdom, actually trust my advice for his benefit. The Grateful Dead sound is a 'cosmic canvas,' a wide open space for his mind to expand into. BE HERE NOW is interdenominational. Let his spiritual path be shown him by the Spirit, not you or me. 



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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21750679 - 06/01/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not even worth getting embroiled in arguments that come down to nothing more than personal preference.  I love The Dead.  My favorite years were 77-79, and I personally love to hear Donna Godchaux wail..... honestly don't think I've ever taken a trip where The Dead didn't sneak its way into it for at least a little while..

One of my wildest trips w/ music was John McLaughlin Shakti on 200ug of LSD + 3.5g of some strain of psilocybin shrooms.....

Honestly, having a gentle soul has nothing to do with what music you listen to....

I've met people who listen to death metal with more peace of mind than I've ever witnessed from some strange characters whose posts I read around these parts :shrug:.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21750713 - 06/01/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

'Sup, anyone read cosmic trigger by Robert anton wilson, or any of his other books?

Ever since reading that book, the idea of using LSD to "unlock" parts of my mind sounds very appealing. Has anyone experimented with this before?

I am getting into mystical eastern religion and esoteric western occult stuff. Meditation, pranayama, magick, etc. I have read a lot about it, because it fascinates me, but I'm not too successful at any of them yet. I have been practicing concentration meditation for about one and a half years, with mediocre results but still better than nothing.

I want to take lsd to jump start my spiritual journey. I want crazy experiences that last an entire lifetime. I want to get rid of all these mental roadblocks that I've accumulated in my life. Lots of neurosis and procrastination and anxiety and depression.

Robert Anton Wilson wrote about experiences with seeing gods and aliens and leprechauns(seriously) during his trips, and then after his trips in his daily life. When I tripped(on RC's only) a couple years ago, I never experienced anything that crazy. All I got was a trippy headspace and standard psychedelic experiences, but nothing so profound as conversing with deities and actually seeing them when the chemicals are gone from my body.

So how can I ensure that my next psychedelic experience will be like Robert Wilson's, and not like my previous ones?'



hello my friend :smile:

thank you for sharing such info and the rest;

I've never read RAW's books but I've heard him referred to fondly here, so that's cool. 


the - not trio - quatro? hehe


that I recommend best are like A. Watts; John C. Lilly, Terence McKenna and. . .


who is that fourth?

well I forgot the 4th for now haha, so trio applies.



Anyway they're nice and good; very intelligent and full of good ideas for the most part. . . the former and the latter are most interesting to me.



It sounds like you are absolutely on the right path with meditation and study, and I commend and applaud you very much for these. . .


they will be of benefit - with any luck, of which I believe you are in much possession - throughout life, and what progress we make in certain things is lasting.

as the sage Vivekananda expressed it, 'Every step I make in the Light is mine forever.


Yes, I have experimented with it - and it was a very, very personal and beautiful experience, which if you like, I would share with you.


Alan Watts' book Joyous Cosmology is written about LSD experience, and based in the framework which he writes in the beginning of LSD, mescaline and mushrooms as medicines for the mind - when they are used in a fashion for such;

there are many factors, nat'rally. 


His book is exceptionally beautiful and elucidating.  It's also written in a high language - not sure how else to describe it, it's transcendental in effect.



He was working on the continuation of Huxley's work essentially.




What you describe about meditation is very wonderful to hear -


What I mean is - this is very common to begin with;



All these things will come very naturally in time, and you will achieve all that you wish for in spiritual matters, if you have it in you (which we all do),


Cause and effect apply always.


I've studied these things for most all my life, and practiced, grew up in beautiful country --


in fact as I have understood more; I learned more about where I really came from,


in any case, the great peace and joy I have found thru-out all this journey is very wonderful,

It is free,


I will be around here at least for the foreseeable future and would be happy to discuss any of these topics with you at any time,

if you wish.



Occult phenomena is generally considered a distraction, it is true.




Probably the very best attitude toward un-ordinary powers is non-attachment.





It is very benevolent a wish to aspire to higher consciousness; and it is very good of you to engage in searching for deeper things in this lifetime,


And you will attain them, if your karma is good: You will get exactly to where you want to be.


Indeed, even the aspiration for liberation with the intention of kindness for living beings is a good thing. 



'I want crazy experiences that last an entire lifetime.'


What you are expressing here is very clear, and very beautiful to me.


It is an expression of adventure, and the rest -


I am very pleased and gladdened to see your aspiration, and such aspiration and confidence is a very, very good thing.


This statement that you make - may be misunderstood by some, because it is not written in their language;



Indeed every human being expresses their self in a different fashion, and each is unique and very wonderful in their own way.


As years - lifetimes - go on, we learn new ways of expression, etc., etc., etc.



Lots of neurosis and procrastination and anxiety and depression.


This, to me, mostly represents normalcy - these are a part of the whole system of life -

One day, with any luck, they will be so far in the mirror they have become really nothing;


and I promise, with everything I believe in, it's very possible. :smile:


The same thing which once may have seemed a bother, may one day become great insight into the universality of these things.


The fact that every life is sacred, and worthy of respect and kindness.


Among others.



Your questions, to me, come from a great deal of thought put into this, and indicate a lot of intelligence.


I simply read the last paragraph again. :smile:



Your 1.5 years of practice and meditation indicate to me a great deal of sincerity on your part,

and this is very good to see.


Sincerity indeed, is one of the highest traits or qualities, for certain.



I am very glad to see your post and the thought you have put into this - it is quite commendable,

my friend.



One good advice I may have to say is 'Don't worry, Be happy' :wink:


Simplistic of course, and I just randomly went to the second part of it - what I mean is, about worth -


Your worth is immeasurable; as is the value of every living being; etc.



I would say that, personally, Western occult stuff is something I view as to be avoided, I have not seen it to be of benefit or necessary.


However, this is a personal preference, please feel free to take or disregard as you feel is the best.


Eastern wisdom has much to be said for it - Western wisdom is equally valuable,



each has different emphases - Eastern has certain benefits, and Western has certain benefits.



You'll get where you wish to go - and, if you do have access to legitimate LSD, congratulations.


I would make sure you trust your source - this would seem to be an important thing today, as there is more fake LSD than previously.


From what I understand, dose recommendations are not really allowed here - I am free to say however, that 2 hits was all I needed, to reach the very highest level, and I do not know the need for anything more.


Again let me just randomly state - it is very good of you to share with us your good and well-thought out questions.


And joy and gratitude, from my part at least. :sun:



One other - Totally random fact of life, the universe, and nature I have discovered -


Emerson put it this way: every (hu)man has a Genius.



I have honestly come to see that this was more true than I could ever have imagined.


Every human being has a Genius, or the Genius, and if you explore this one idea, you will find it very fruitful (I would say)


Just a very fascinating fact of human nature; intelligence is so funny that way, what I have found is that this is completely true; and since it seems to be this way completely,

that any human can reach the highest levels of love, understanding, and the rest -

and that inborn intelligence is not the sole qualifier, or even the most prevailing,


is one of the more fascinating aspects of existence I have come across, and seen to be true and verified after many years of consideration;


also, it would very clearly seem to invalidate much of the previous thought of intelligence,

displacing it, as it were.




Dear friend -

If you reach the heights of consciousness, I sincerely wish you write poetry about it, for the rest of your life.


Or let it affect your life in a positive way.


From one stranger, yet open-heart and friend - to another friend - it is a very sensitive and delicate topic;


yet I do feel with all my heart that you may indeed have the experience you wish to,


if the circumstances are correct,


and it is very possible to return to the states you wish to as well; be it in terms of peace and health, or be it in terms of visuals.


For me, the emphasis was more on the former.



One reason I mention poetry is that poetry is perhaps the best means of expression of higher states of consciousness,


as it is possible to express them in metaphor, where they may be understood without telling secrets,


etc.



Don't let another's failures ever hold you back; this is one of the primary, principle truths of life. . .

as Rumi expressed it,

'Don't be satisfied with how things have gone before, let your own life unfold itself.'


Or maybe he said story.  Either way.



Compassion, empathy, deep peace, great joy and love are all states I have understood in psychadelic visions, and was later able to embody in full;


Don't let anything discourage you from what you know is true.



Though you have spent 1.5 years on this - which is really a good amount, and quite sufficient in many aspects,


I do also recommend if you have a chance, spend another 2 weeks or so, also engaged in spiritual practice;


Before hand - or do whatever it is that brings the most peace --- the most joy --- the most life, vitality, health,

and

good mental state,

to yourself, because I do believe it is very possible to have a good trip. :wink:



DMT also is produced naturally by the brain when we are sleeping - just an interesting thought.



For me, personally, my journey was a little less about meeting and greeting deities - I had been an essentially atheist for 6 or 7 years before I became an agnostic, pantheist and eventually, eventually toyed around with the idea of a Personality of God;


Over the years I've come to understand, both impersonal God and personal God are true;


If one's heart is pure, and one knows who one is, and enacts kindness and gentleness with others,


it is not really all that important at all what words one puts on it.  Both are legitimate pathways to the Divine.



With much gratitude and kindness in my heart, I am here if you wish to discuss any of these topics.



In terms of how one can direct one's trip on LSD - this is a very good point.


(I'm reminded of classical transcendental discussions, where the Buddha would say to his friends - very good question!  - much paraphrased of course, and for the most part said in a more eloquent and beautiful fashion. . .

also I am not at all suggesting I am above you in any way; for well I know that equality is the main necessity for friendship! :smile:)



it looks good from where I'm sitting, is what I mean. :smile:




Anyway - how to direct one's trip is a good point. . and the practices - meditations -  you have done thus far are,

in essence,

the main thing necessary.





I would also very much recommend writing poetry. :smile:




It doesn't have to be good by any means, simply an expression of feeling, of beauty, of love, of experience -- whatever you love, feel and experience --

in a beautiful way if possible --


that is what poetry is to me; and practicing it seems to exercise one's skill at expression in the same way that studying chess does for chess; or riding a bicycle,


or climbing a tree.


Different skills utilize different pathways of progression; anyway, writing hundreds/ thousands of poems is the best way for learning how to express oneself very clearly in words,


and also doing so is a very good means of reflection and generation of positive energy.


I merely offer it as a humble suggestion. :smile: :sun:



But practice is quite useful -- spending time with nature, all of the rest.




To fully heal oneself is actually a quite straightforward process; whatever means are ideal for you will be unique to you,


yet I am certain there are universals.



Overcoming bitterness and doubt for example, is a great liberation and happiness. 


It is possible to be free of - fear, anger and worry - so completely, to leave them behind so completely that they literally become nothing. . .


and in my life I have found this is really the true value of life - at least on this material plane. . .


Possibly, all these earthly qualities have their counter part in the divine.




To get to your question of how to direct one's trip -- self-understanding is the main thing;




Which, of course, as I have known since very early childhood -- we all have; an important point!


There is a very odd meme floating out there that says you can't know yourself. :smile:


[Since my very early childhood I have known that this was completely silly -- everyone knows themselves 100% --


The most one could say is that sometimes people forget, haha.


The point is - we have always been with ourselves every step of the way, etc., etc.

These are very basic and generic things, I went on a slight tangent here, I'll get back on topic.]



Anyway - nonetheless, self-understanding is one of the main considerations in this;


Also - stillness, you know? 


That's the fascinating topic of much discussion of meditation - how to still one's mind, to allow deeper levels of concentration to arise:



The answer, I have found, is most expediently attained through healing and self-trust.



Seng Ts'an wrote an epic poem about self-trust and basically praised it as the highest thing;


Countless other brilliant students of the universe have said things similar,


Goethe for example: As soon as you trust yourself, you know how to live.  (Slightly paraphrased).




So - stillness is very excellent, very useful; and healing is the best key to get there --


That is, once heart,

mind,

body, are healed completely; once self-trust is really attained,  then it becomes almost instantly, second nature to return to calmness, to peace, to positivity (if that is your wish).


How this happens for you is entirely up to you. :smile:



Distinguishing between truth and illusion is a very useful thing.



To really be able to sense the energies, and feel what energy and effect is going on - that is one of the most powerful tools for elucidation, for illumination, and for deeper understandings.




To practice the method of getting in touch with the present moment -- what is going on in the present with us, here and now -- that is a very useful key in development, strength, healing, and the rest on this process, this path of spirit.




To attain a state of non-regression - those are states from which one never falls - is truly one of the most joyous things,


they are seen in every tradition;

and their elucidation can be found in many places,


in many ways,


in many colors.



There are also essentially an unlimited number of these shelters -- this is my own view of the universe;

it is connected to some others', and not very similar to yet some others.



It is only one aspect of it --



There is often a back-and-forth that goes on in life; between truth and doubt; between error and certainty; between fear and love.


A lot of the old posts on this forum do discuss this topic of love and fear, and it's fairly interesting -- they divide all energies into essentially these two camps; l and f, and it's just another interesting way of looking at it.




There are also innumerable analogies and ways of looking at spiritual development and progression --



One is like pouring water on a fire; Yet another is getting a dry cloth wet --


In the latter universe, often the phrase, 'Why or how come was one trying to get wet, when one is floating or swimming in the ocean?'


fascinating and nice.

:smile:

:sun:



Fascination is a wonderful thing, by the way, it is the primary way of which we learn -- we only really learn about something if we are fascinated by it --



And indeed, one of, or possibly the best way, of teaching info (for example, in a public school system)


is to get people fascinated by something: and actually, the one who is teaching may often best ignite others' interest for something, by their own fascination with the topic.


Be it chess, Australian history, or anything, this is a tried and true method, and it is a good example of Western wisdom alluded to earlier.




Another of course, similar to pouring water on a burning fire, is the cooling off idea. . .


In Japan, there is the saying, 'Hot feet, cool head,'



As well as other lovelies such as 'fill the belly 4/5ths full' (a good secret to longevity :smile:)



Also, one of my favorites, is, 'Go up on the mountain, but then come back down,' this is referring to spirituality in fact, and it's worth discussion in its own merit, different topic.



Anyhow - being at peace helps greatly in many matters of understanding and the rest -- another vast topic I won't open up completely here.


To simply share another quote, 'When we are calm, we get the most work done,' etc.-



And this applies in daily living, and all spheres, and applies equally if not more potently to psychadelic excursions into higher consciousness.



May this all be of good health, joy, to both you and myself, dear friend evenbreak.



There is much I left untouched upon; indeed the majority of the topic. . I rarely get to 2000 words in a post, but I sort of felt this one merited it (may be only 1500).  Indeed short and sweet is usually best - heck, 20 words! :smile:  And nowadays most of my posts are much fewer, more like 20 or so.



Anyway, much peace and joy to you, dear friend, and look forward to hearing how your journey went, when and if you decide to embark, return, and share.

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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak] * 1
    #21751371 - 06/02/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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evenbreak said:
Sup, anyone read cosmic trigger by Robert anton wilson, or any of his other books?

Ever since reading that book, the idea of using LSD to "unlock" parts of my mind sounds very appealing. Has anyone experimented with this before?

I am getting into mystical eastern religion and esoteric western occult stuff. Meditation, pranayama, magick, etc. I have read a lot about it, because it fascinates me, but I'm not too successful at any of them yet. I have been practicing concentration meditation for about one and a half years, with mediocre results but still better than nothing.

I want to take lsd to jump start my spiritual journey. I want crazy experiences that last an entire lifetime. I want to get rid of all these mental roadblocks that I've accumulated in my life. Lots of neurosis and procrastination and anxiety and depression.

Robert Anton Wilson wrote about experiences with seeing gods and aliens and leprechauns(seriously) during his trips, and then after his trips in his daily life. When I tripped(on RC's only) a couple years ago, I never experienced anything that crazy. All I got was a trippy headspace and standard psychedelic experiences, but nothing so profound as conversing with deities and actually seeing them when the chemicals are gone from my body.

So how can I ensure that my next psychedelic experience will be like Robert Wilson's, and not like my previous ones?




I've read Cosmic Trigger. Reading that book was a pivotal moment in my spiritual journey and really altered my perceptions on a massive scale. It is a good starting point, but eventually you have to move on from there. When I read it, I wasn't so much worried about having a psychedelic experience like RAW. I was interested in the occult things he talked about, and that really got me digging deeper into western and eastern mystical ideas.

I understand your desire to replicate the experience RAW had with psychedelics, but as Markos has said, you are not RAW, so your experiences will not be the same. Psychedelics do have the ability to alter perceptions, but they are also highly unpredictable and can be a huge distraction on the spiritual path.

What a lot of people don't realise (or don't have the discipline to discover) is that the profound experiences you have on psychedelics can also be achieved through meditation and spiritual practice. It takes a certain amount of discipline, practicing every day, but the results are far more rewarding, lucid, and stable than anything you could ever experience by taking a drug.

I realise that the full blown psychedelic experience might be something that you really feel you need to do. I did when I first set out on my path. But I really echo what Markos said. Be careful what you wish for and try to be safe. The psychedelic experience might be interesting, and may give you certain insights, but it ultimately is a distraction from self-realisation.

As Alan Watts said "When you get the message, hang up the phone."


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: PocketLady]
    #21751961 - 06/02/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

+1 to you, Pocket Lady.



I would say to put it simply; it all depends on where you came from, and where you are.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: evenbreak]
    #21751978 - 06/02/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Or also, if you have no fear, it will show you are.

If you do have fear, it will not.


Humans are nearly infinite complex, and also nearly infinite simple; yet it does come down to this.



So heal of all negativity first, then you can see a lot of beauty;


Watts' message is essentially, once you see it, let it go and go on with your life;




or at its most basic and essential: there is no reason to go back "there," because "there" is always here.


That's the simplest and most beautiful way I can think of to express it.

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Lilly expressed an interesting thought - he said, ' you gotta forget all this and live and play out your life as a human. ' along those lines.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime] * 1
    #21751996 - 06/02/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You are always going to get the trip you need, never the trip you want. Just sit back and watch the show.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21752025 - 06/02/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

nice post.


so therefore a good idea would be to spend a while unifying one's energy beforehand. :smile: :mushroom2: as always.


would give it several +'s actually if I could, G.E. :smile:

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btw is it nice in amsterdam?  a line i love of a song i like is 'in amsterdam i'll see my lady'


i know it's the same everywhere but yeah. :smile:


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21752058 - 06/02/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All is well in Amsterdam :laugh:

If you love cities with a rich history and all kinds of different people than you'll love Amsterdam. Definitely worth a visit. But be sure to talk to locals as there are two completely different cities to explore... The local one is hidden amidst all the tourist traps.



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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21752079 - 06/02/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Aha! I do understand. :smile:

I always have been that way myself. . honestly even if I were a millionaire I would prefer to go without any fanfare, and probably seek the real instead of the apparent in any situation. . . camping, backpacking, and network with genuine and sincere individuals :smile:


it'll be a few years before I travel, as I am takin' it slow :smile: but I will someday.


Thx for the link I will watch it when I come back online


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21752085 - 06/02/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The link is just for shits and giggles. But good ones.


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    #21753021 - 06/02/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's not even worth getting embroiled in arguments that come down to nothing more than personal preference.  I love The Dead.  My favorite years were 77-79, and I personally love to hear Donna Godchaux wail..... honestly don't think I've ever taken a trip where The Dead didn't sneak its way into it for at least a little while..

One of my wildest trips w/ music was John McLaughlin Shakti on 200ug of LSD + 3.5g of some strain of psilocybin shrooms.....

Honestly, having a gentle soul has nothing to do with what music you listen to....

I've met people who listen to death metal with more peace of mind than I've ever witnessed from some strange characters whose posts I read around these parts :shrug:.




I'm not arguing, and I'm not comparing, I'm simply insisting! :lol: Have you ever experienced track 5-10 of said album at the peak of a trip? If you haven't, you don't grok what I'm sharing. Those tracks were clearly engineered to elicit an of metempsychosis. I HIGHLY recommend it if you can get your hands on a copy. Not every one I've tried to turn onto it can handle it, but I assure anyone reading this that it ends BEAUTIFULLY!


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21753549 - 06/02/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have, 'tis a good album, though Garcia in the studio has never been my personal preference.

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
You can't let go and you can't hold on
You can't go back and you can't stand still
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will


I don't like engineered, I like risks, I like chances of failure, maybe it will be a bad show.... maybe some extraordinary magic will happen.


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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21753979 - 06/02/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

when I was 12,


never had heard of the Grateful Dead, and I got a hold of Skeletons From the Closet -

'nuff said.

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Re: lsd to unlock my mind, tips plz [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21753993 - 06/02/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I have, 'tis a good album, though Garcia in the studio has never been my personal preference.

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
You can't let go and you can't hold on
You can't go back and you can't stand still
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will


I don't like engineered, I like risks, I like chances of failure, maybe it will be a bad show.... maybe some extraordinary magic will happen.




Live shows were one thing, and they are a thing of the past. Now I engineer set & setting and I still get results from this myself as well as with those who haven't Really heard those tracks in the optimal state. Sometimes, in the safety of my house during a trip I can't even imagine how I used to dose among loud crowds, bright lights, and the over-stimulation of huge shows. Oh yeah, I do remember freaking out and leaving Englishtown soon after Dead came on. Speed to wake up from camping and two 400 mcg nickle-sized blotters. :eek:


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