ChexMix said:

You should pick up the book "Ismael" OP, I feel like you'd enjoy it. Don't expect any answers though!

We humans like to think of ourselves as good at planning ahead, but really it's only when the shit hits the fan and our backs are against the wall that we really enact great change.

The book Ishmael says every civilization is like testing a flying machine. The machine is pushed off a cliff, and whether it's actually flying or actually plummeting towards the ground, as long as we are still in the air most people on board are convinced that everything is fine. Until we actually hit the ground, joining the ruins of past civilizations just like us, we are convinced we are flying.

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That's an interesting metaphor for humanity. I will check it out
Exactly, humans don't realise what has happened until it has happened. We are about to crash into the wall very soon and it seems to depress me further and further everyday. I have become less optimistic as time as worn on.

Jufin said:

I want to do something, I don't want to go there and fight with a gun and possibly die, I'd rather keep making music and having sex.  The organised system of a western culture is a pretty good solution to a culture in which homosexuals are sentenced to death.

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Icelander said:

Abandon all hope ye who enter here

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BreathlessVision said:

ChexMix said:

You should pick up the book "Ismael" OP, I feel like you'd enjoy it. Don't expect any answers though!

We humans like to think of ourselves as good at planning ahead, but really it's only when the shit hits the fan and our backs are against the wall that we really enact great change.

The book Ishmael says every civilization is like testing a flying machine. The machine is pushed off a cliff, and whether it's actually flying or actually plummeting towards the ground, as long as we are still in the air most people on board are convinced that everything is fine. Until we actually hit the ground, joining the ruins of past civilizations just like us, we are convinced we are flying.

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That's an interesting metaphor for humanity. I will check it out
Exactly, humans don't realise what has happened until it has happened. We are about to crash into the wall very soon and it seems to depress me further and further everyday. I have become less optimistic as time as worn on.

Jufin said:

I want to do something, I don't want to go there and fight with a gun and possibly die, I'd rather keep making music and having sex.  The organised system of a western culture is a pretty good solution to a culture in which homosexuals are sentenced to death.

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Being homosexual myself I understand what you mean. My sexuality is suppressed by my parents' culture, so I naturally feel like I want to change things for the better. This may be for myself or for the good of humanity, I personally have not yet made the distinction yet because I'm not sure. The world is becoming better and more accepting for homosexuals and people of sexual minorities or any minorities for that matter, however I find that 'mass' change is unimaginable, for every single human to accept this is I think impossible.

Icelander said:

Abandon all hope ye who enter here

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This shouldve been a warning in the womb.



My overall issue is with the world is that there is a lot of ignorance, a lot people are running around like nothing is happening. Instead of sitting down and deciding what to do next we are asleep. I have attempted to discuss it with close friends and family but they are either un-receptive of my efforts or call me crazy.

The greatest contradiction however I find happens here because me sitting here on this computer is just as part of this system as much I complain about it.

I often feel conflicted as to what to think about change and revolution. It just seems like a hazy dream after a while. I have opinions and realizations as to how much evil festers in this world.

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Sounds like you and I are of similar temperament and view.  All I can say is I hear you and I'm sorry you're stuck here too. Outside of killing yourself there's not a whole lot to be done except try and stay on the sidelines amap.

Lakefingers said:

I've met revolutionaries and I wouldn't want to live in their world anymore than the one we live in now. Maybe less in their world if they get their way full out. I'm not interested in the war. The revolutionaries' visions of cities, busted cities, multicultural nations, disintegrated nation states, new empires and crushed empires are all another side of the same coin.

If mother earth deserves just a thousandth of the acclaim she gets for her engineering finesse she wouldn't have have made us to begin with.

The only thing to wake up to is that there's nothing to wake up to.

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You just summed up my POV very well.  I had no idea you were such an awakened soul.

TripAce1986 said:

All I'm hearing is that there's nothing we can do... Exactly what the architects of these things would like us to believe. I hope yall dont fall for that. Everyone has the power to change this world. It starts small. RISE

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TripAce1986 said:

All I'm hearing is that there's nothing we can do... Exactly what the architects of these things would like us to believe. I hope yall dont fall for that. Everyone has the power to change this world. It starts small. RISE

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You first.

TripAce1986 said:

So what do you think now? Did you give up?

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TripAce1986 said:

So what do you think now? Did you give up?

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BreathlessVision said:

You are living in a system, a game designed by those who wish to keep people distracted. They wish to exploit the most valuable resource on this planet, men. For men create lucrative outcomes when they are pushed to do the deeds of these men who are afraid to get their feet wet.
The system does not care for you, to it you are a cog.
Your life is meangless to the system, you are a speck within it.
Individually you may be unique in your own being but you are an ant that the system may crush if it feels and your uniqueness doesn't even challenge the system, when you are by yourself you are easily hidden and forgotten.
Only by coming together can we create a new system to benefit every human, but that seems impossible. Many are still asleep, don't care or are quelled by the masterful magic tricks of the magicians that conjure the system.

To it, the only game is the power game.

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Will humans ever 'wake up'? Is there such a thing? What do you think is the motive of the system, if there is any?

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There are whispers of revolution but they seem to be few and far between, probably because people are either too afraid to talk about it, feel it unrealistic or deem it too taboo to consider.

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Is a revolution possible? Or will the human enterprise be crushed? Will a revolution even make a difference? Are we to walk into oblivion or will humans learn that it is time for change.

Many have lost the bigger picture, triviality now plague the minds of the masses.

Is there hope?

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BreathlessVision said:

I was busy for the last two days so couldn't reply but now I've had time to think so here's my take on it.

Whenever the subject of 'waking up' comes up, I always ask a a few very important questions regarding the subject of waking up.
These include,

What does it mean to wake up - what is the process of such?
What are the acts or changes waking up?
Am I awake, or am I asleep?

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Waking up, I think can be defined in many forms. I've never clearly defined anything in my life because I like the vague, abstract ideas that come from thinking about things in an open and speculative way. There are many things that the waking up process could be. Indeed, it could just be realizing that there is nothing to wake up to. It is also possible that the waking up process just involves the individual saying to him or herself 'what is the nature of things around me?', so inevitably to question things in depth and scrutinizing detail, I think is the process of waking up.

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This notion of questioning things, I think is really is what we in our society lack. We lack the ability to see that things are not what they seem. Life is more profound than most people take it to be. One sees a bird flying and  it's just a bird, but to someone who questions things, it may appear more so that, more magical or profound than just a bird. This is just an example of what a questioning mind may think.

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Without this sort of thinking and questioning, the individual may never know what the political agenda is. We don't question it enough, to many people it is just something that happens as a mundane part of life and you have to face it, because life is mostly bullshit. This is what I think is probably the process of waking up. To be able to see through the facades of political and social veils, to see right down to the core of an ideology or a system, so subsequently when the despotic apes step on to the pedestal and make attempts to further maximize control and to gain power we know the nature of their act.

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Revolution is a backlash towards any sort of restricting force that governs the human enterprise, be it towards a political construct, an economic construct or even the mind itself. When I say revolution, I don't mean to ask everyone to start getting their guns and marching to the White House. If a revolution is to come it will be in the domain of mind.

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To me a revolution seems far too unlikely to happen anytime soon, society is too complex for any of that. There are too many factors when you question things and poke around in the philosophical playing field. i personally don't advocate revolution as the solution to society, it is too simple to say 'we need a revolution'. What humans need to do is to start questioning, to sit down and to have a discussion as to how we're going to take practical steps to improve this civilization. Even that seems a long shot now if we look at what is happening in the world.

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