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I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us
    #2689779 - 05/17/04 02:57 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The revolution won't be televised is right.

I don't like how Matrix: Revolutions was a bunch of overhyped bullshit that was almost completely devoid of philosophy altogether. Nothing new was presented in that movie... it was just a bullshit marketing ploy.

Places like Hot Topic sell "Punk" and every person I've ever known that was into Punk has at some point in their life bought some bullshit zippered pants, studded armband, or wild-colored hair dye from a place like Hot Topic. It's not counterculture, it's a subculture.

All counterculture has become a marketable trend with it's own catchphrases, symbolism, and hierarchy of "cool". From Tupac's "Thug Life" phrase to the hippie's tie dye to the punk rocker's mohawk to the grunge kid's flannel shirt to the goth's black lipstick to the raver's glowsticks - it's all for show. And it's all bullshit.

I can't even look at a magazine rack anymore without seeing color glossy covers of the latest "beautiful" human hawking themselves and their artless lifestyle to the swarming masses looking to fill the bottomless pit of insecurity with hollow signifiers that once contained meaning and substance.

And the war goes on...
The battleground is our minds. And The Man cruises around in his Sherman limosine firing round after round of useless information into the core of each and every one of us day in and day out. He stops at nothing. World domination is nothing. He aims to dominate all of existence.

And the mindrot seeps deeper and deeper into every nook, cranny, and fold. Education, politics, entertainment, art, justice, truth... they've all been tied down with the strings of the master marionetter. But is this puppeteer a person? Is it a single person/group/entity? I have a very hard time believing this to be so. I think it's more likely just an attribute to the nature of humanity and it's function on a mass level.

Enough rant for now. Enjoy.


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #2689793 - 05/17/04 03:00 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It's also "cool" to rant about rebellion being sold back to us.


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: silversoul7]
    #2689845 - 05/17/04 03:16 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

this is true...  :yesnod:



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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: silversoul7]
    #2689863 - 05/17/04 03:25 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly.


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #2689908 - 05/17/04 03:40 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

a lot of it might just have to do with increased complexity though...like we're reaching a sort of maximum density or some shit  :shrug:



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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: Muppet]
    #2689937 - 05/17/04 03:57 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If that's the case, ine could only hope something good would come of it.


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #2689946 - 05/17/04 03:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, and it's also the "cool" thing nowadays to use use numbers to spell out their phoenetic sound, such as "h8."


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: silversoul7]
    #2689980 - 05/17/04 04:17 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Pwned!

There's another one for you.. the "HaXx0rz" culture.  Equally annoying.

The real problem is that mainstream culture is primarly composed of subcultures.  Everything is categoirzed.  If there is no "single" culture there can be no counter-culture, because anyone who deviates from the so-called "norm" becomes categorized as a deviant, and placed in a subculture.

I'd say the best advice is to "be yourself", but if everybody did that, it wouldn't be unique, would it?  :grin:


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #2690065 - 05/17/04 05:19 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I don't like how Matrix: Revolutions was a bunch of overhyped bullshit that was almost completely devoid of philosophy altogether. Nothing new was presented in that movie... it was just a bullshit marketing ploy.

----a huge budget hollywood movie was just a ploy to make millions of dollars??? alert the press!!!

All counterculture has become a marketable trend with it's own catchphrases, symbolism, and hierarchy of "cool". From Tupac's "Thug Life" phrase to the hippie's tie dye to the punk rocker's mohawk to the grunge kid's flannel shirt to the goth's black lipstick to the raver's glowsticks - it's all for show. And it's all bullshit.

----??????? what the fuck is the word "counter-culture" supposed to mean? sounds like a marketing ploy to me. ALL culture has aesthetic representation, that is how culture is expressed....

The battleground is our minds

---woh.....do we get mental missile launchers?

The Man cruises around in his Sherman limosine firing round after round of useless information into the core of each and every one of us day in and day out. He stops at nothing. World domination is nothing. He aims to dominate all of existence.

---"the man"???? nigga please! this aint final fantasy.

I think it's more likely just an attribute to the nature of humanity and it's function on a mass level

---what is that supposed to mean??? It doesnt seem to mean anything. Okay, my turn.

The massive clouds of conformity arent mere tactics created by a superordinate few to enslave the populous, but rather, conformity is an aspect of humanities desire to reflect certain aspects of its true subconscious nature, the evil empire is just a manifestation of our own iinability to understand our true selves - on a mass level.

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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #2690068 - 05/17/04 05:20 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

There was a TV documentary made on trends and culture and whatnot.

Basically, people would go around looking for a "counterculture" trendsetter and test the styles out. If it worked, then that would be the new mainstream (or maybe a heavy undercurrent).

Yes, counterculture can be sold. Everything can be sold. Chances are, you or someone you know will buy it.


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: daba]
    #2690073 - 05/17/04 05:23 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, counterculture can be sold. Everything can be sold. Chances are, you or someone you know will buy it.

---------sold meaning traded meaning how humans have functioned since..ever.

"Hey Gnarlak, thats a nice deer skin you got, I like how it looks, here, I'll trade you this necklace I made out of bear teeth"

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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #2690078 - 05/17/04 05:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

sammy_jankis said:
And the mindrot seeps deeper and deeper into every nook, cranny, and fold. Education, politics, entertainment, art, justice, truth... they've all been tied down with the strings of the master marionetter. But is this puppeteer a person? Is it a single person/group/entity? I have a very hard time believing this to be so. I think it's more likely just an attribute to the nature of humanity and it's function on a mass level.

Enough rant for now. Enjoy.




Right. So what are you going to do about it other than rant about it? What has been accomplished by your ranting?

Perhaps to spark the flame that will ignite a change? Perhaps.
I'm sure there are reasons I have not thought of.

Yes, yes. No more naivete. Money = power = change. That is all to be said.


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #2690739 - 05/17/04 12:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

My point is that there is ultimately no escaping conformity. Humans are conforming animals by nature. We need this in order to survive in society. The best way to rebel is to not try to do so. Personally, I mostly buy plain-colored clothes with no label, but this is not an act of rebellion or anything. It's just what suits me. I don't need to identify myself as a punk/raver/goth/rocker/skater/etc. I'm just me. If you can fit me into some category, be my guest, but if you can, it's just coincidence. I don't try to be anything other than myself.


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: silversoul7]
    #2690762 - 05/17/04 12:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The best way to rebel is to not try to do so.




STFU fascist


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2690767 - 05/17/04 12:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

^^^conformist


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: sammy_jankis]
    #2690776 - 05/17/04 12:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure if I totally understand the post,
but I think that the source of your rant
is that american culture (counter, sub, however you wanta call it)
is pretty much unexistent...well, no not unexistant, but its all based on making money, so it has no life, or no soul. Its a culture of interests.

"The Man cruises around in his Sherman limosine firing round after round of useless information into the core of each and every one of us day in and day out"

Yes, and this useless information sells man. It can only harm one's mind to be surrounded by people who want your money.

And plus, it is very young culture, so this is why I'm not sure if a capitalist culture like this one can evolve into something better - or worse.
I think you are pissed of because an idea that you are emotionally attached to, Revolution, has been dehumanized by using it to make money.

OK, it took me like 15 minutes to write this. I'm having trouble expressing my idea, so I wouldn't be surprised if I get some angry replies.

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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: silversoul7]
    #2690779 - 05/17/04 12:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

people conform to me


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2690781 - 05/17/04 12:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

STFU fascist!


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: silversoul7]
    #2690790 - 05/17/04 12:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

you've been conscripted to work in my spaceship factory.

the pay will be bread and water

if you do not choose to take this assignment, you will be shot.

viva la revolucion!


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Re: I h8 it when "revolution" is sold back to us [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2690796 - 05/17/04 12:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Sweet! Beats the job I have now.


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