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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965649 - 08/04/04 07:33 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

heh, I never said it was going to be easy :tongue:
why do you think I took the PA&L position? I want to practice. What better place to get the "other side of the picture" than the snake pit itself?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965667 - 08/04/04 07:38 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Shroomism,

I support you and will lend an article on what I am talking about here to raise awareness of it.

It just seems to me that if anyone is out to force externalize change, the mission will collapse on itself the same way you see the government collapsing on itself.

You and most in the group are out to raise awareness and inspire others and thats not what I am talking about.

I am talking about the people who Doc reffered to who will be drawn in and get involed with their own warring agendas to use force.

It already happened with the nesara group and its already collapsing on itself.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965725 - 08/04/04 07:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I dont mean to be an asshole or anything, and I admire your determination and effort. But I've seen too many similar projects fall apart to want to invest my own energy at this point. Depending on what you guys come up with, you may or may not have my support. But its just too frustrating to try and explain my position to people who are so stuck in their own. I can barely even handle PA&L as it is, and this is a freakin mushroom site! This isnt exactly a representative sample of mainstream america. If the debate at a site so focused in its intent is this heated and polarized, imagine what it would be like trying to contend with mainstream america! Remember that everyone has their own special interests, and very few people are willing to or even capable of seeing the big picture. Add to that a smattering of 9325678 different kinds of ideological predjudice, and you've got a room full of angry people, yelling at eachother and accomplishing exactly nothing.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965767 - 08/04/04 08:03 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

hey, when we get tired from doing such amazing revolutionary things like, writing articles and posting comments on the internet, can we play dungeons and dragons?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965791 - 08/04/04 08:12 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Believe me, I know exactly what you mean, and exactly where you are coming from. That is partially why it is such a mind-fuck for me to even start writing about some of these topics because they are so controversial. I have my opinions about everything like anyone, but I try to put those aside. Fortunately, I am very good at looking at and visualizing the big picture.. however the details are what kill me.

I do understand where you come from though, your 'projected outcome' may be pessimistic but it is also realistic, and I can understand completely why you would think something like that would happen, I've seen it happen myself many many times. That is why it is our top priority to think about things VERY carefully before we make action, and tread lightly. We want to avoid the room full of angry, arguing people at all costs. The ideal scenario is to have all those people in the room together, sharing a common bond of brotherhood and fellowship in the simple fact of being human.

I do realize that probably sounds idealistic, unrealistic and non-achievable, as I myself would agree with on a certain perspective.. but nevertheless, I am going to continue with my goal. People like you to poke and prod and question are very important in this process, because we are trying to appeal to the pessimist and skeptic.. the mainstream american.. It probably is not going to be easy, in fact it's probably close to fucking impossible, but I have seen with my own eyes enemies turn to friends and people that hate each other come together for a common goal that benefits all. It's not impossible.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2965802 - 08/04/04 08:15 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

hey, you want to stop being a cynical flamer and contribute something?
What makes you think writing articles and posting on the internet is the only thing I do?
That's some fine baseless speculation and assumption you got going on there.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965835 - 08/04/04 08:23 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

well, I'm still working on my scientific theory of government, but I think its going to take a long time to complete. I wish people would discuss these things in a civil manner with an open mind, but so far I just have a bunch of ideological purists calling me a fascist, which couldn't be further from the truth. My centrist politics dont win me a lot of allies; left-wingers think I'm a sell out and right-wingers think I'm a commie. The fact of the matter is: the right answers are seldom popular.

My main platform is abandoning theory, abandoning ideological purism and just being objective and building a government based on factual evidence and proven methods, instead of opinions about what 'could' work. I'm tired of people finding their party and sticking to it; I see the spectrum of politics as a multitool, and every band within that spectrum has its purpose and use.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965839 - 08/04/04 08:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Im not flaming, this revolution of yours is an egomaniacal fantasy, if you are actually interested in positive change, then do some with substance like soooo many great organizations are all ready doing.

this is just playtime for people who dont want to understand the real world.

thats not cynicism either, its intelligence, as opposed to lofty antics that have no application value.

but yeah, okay, lets hear about your REAL revolutionary exploits.

its also quite funny how the only functional link on your site is "donations"

very classy.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965875 - 08/04/04 08:35 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

why not have some kind of wikipedia based system so people can add and modify the concurrent text that has been written, its a brilliant system and seems to help curb the needless negativity that happens in forums, and still give everyone that wants to contribute a chance to.

Just need some dedicated moderaters who are open minded and that follow some kind of democratic way of deciding whether changes that are made are worth keeping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution

Then just advertise it alot and see where it goes!

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2965910 - 08/04/04 08:41 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

no, the only functional link is community, for the forums. The donations button doesn't even work yet nor is it mine. It is also strictly for paying for bandwidth and licensing the forum.

What of my ideals lacks substance? Since when is love and harmony with nature and humanity considered lofty antics with no real-world application value?

I am actually interested in positive change. But please explain why this is an egomaniacal fantasy with zero substance when we have just started and are just beginning to put the site together. So please enlightened one, please elucidate me as to what I need to be doing, if I am going about it all wrong.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965931 - 08/04/04 08:46 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

BE HERE NOW! the people here at the shroomery and all over the world that are cultivating mushrooms are all doing the work of GOD himself. manna from heaven, book of EXODUS old testament. nature will take it's course. wheather or not these individuals are aware that they are workers of GOD does not matter HE tends to protect and favor the righteous. everytime someone grows some shrooms or any other psycotropic plant\fungi and another person or perhaps many people ingest these plants and fungi then the person who nurtured those plants is responsible for changing the worlds future. we are responsible for many changes in the lives of the people who consume these plants and fungi. i can't speak for anyone else but i have been given a heavy responsibility to make sure that this information will always remain alive. we must all be very careful because we pose a threat to the dominator culture. jesus of nazareth was in the midst of starting a "revolution" look what happened to him. GOD bless.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2966053 - 08/04/04 09:17 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

what even sadder is that politics have grounded themselves into religion, and into business.  which means religion is grounded into business, and government.  which means religion, business, and government all determine how we live.  :sad:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2966138 - 08/04/04 09:40 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

kaiowas don't frown,you know love will be here.I do think about my views,and i know they will be included,everything just needs to presented in the correct fashion.And what have the flamers here have done for the world?i'm curious.i want to actaully here some things,it would be kind of funny to actaully hear something,and i'm expecting to hear something.shroomism,once i get some ideas together,i'll present them to you

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2966160 - 08/04/04 09:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

like throwing the rock inthe pond, a ripple effect will occur. even the smallest thing you do, has the ability for a huge impact for the future. As the waves of ideas spread further and further out, the world will seem to get smaller and smaller.

Iv'e been creating my own little ripples in the pond, but going out every 3-4 days a week and talking to random strangers about things of the S&P nature. I see it in their eyes that I may have brought them back to thin about "what really matter" when it comes down to it. And even if most of them think of me as strange, I get thanks yous, and I get hand shakes of appreciation.

if you can touch one person's soul a day, if you can make one person smile and forget about preconcieved notions and negativity, if you can make them realize that we are all just regular people trying to make sense of the world, if you make them realize that our confusion is the same and we all share it, if you can.....and if you do...then you have begun to help the revolution we speak of.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2966165 - 08/04/04 09:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

And what have the flamers here have done for the world?

-donated hundreds of dollars to Amnesty International
-worked for an environmentalist NPO which built community gardens and promoted alternative/renewable energy sources.
-took part in an African infrastructure-building program
-promoted fair trade consumerism on my uni's campus, which has just passed a policy that all campus bussinesses must be 100% fair trade.
-made documentary on world water issues and immigrant issues
-"liberated" numerous billboards

etc

all very basic stuff, nothing special. I dont consider any of those things "doing something for the world", because I dont fancy myself the saviour of others like some people.

you guys are so delusional, material results are the only thing that matter, shit like building water pumps in rural Cambodia.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2966174 - 08/04/04 09:53 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

dude were all about love simple as that,you can't flame love.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2966182 - 08/04/04 09:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

you may think it's delusional posit...but give yourself more credit. that is awesome what you have done.

and no material results aren't the ONLY thing that matters.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2966184 - 08/04/04 09:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

and where also looking to liberate people instead of billboards.And we want to liberate information about things like free energy.No we don't know how all this is going down.But please help,even if its in improbable doesn't make it impossible.You know,we are really trying to do something,and if it turns out we fuck up or our plans fuck up,we tried for what we believe in.We believe in a loving world.Thats whats needed for you too.Please help,please help.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2966205 - 08/04/04 10:05 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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I honestly dont think there is any hope of a group which consists of communists, socialists, libertarians, athiests, religious folk, right brains, left brains, nerds, jocks, country folk, city folk, Americans, Europeans, deadheads, ravers, gangstas, hardcore environmentalists, occultists, scientists, brain-fried hippies, cynical GenXers, and jaded baby boomers coming up with a set of ideals that they can all agree upon, much less implement a successful revolution based in those ideals.

call me a pessimist, I just dont see it happening. I've never been in a room where those things were being discussed that wasn't divided and embroiled in a never-ending struggle.




the one thing that all those groups have in common is that we ARE all human. we DO all need the same things.

must figure out a way to satisfy the basic nessesitys of life for all.

OR

supply nothing, and let people fend for themselves.

either way seems "fair" to me.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2966254 - 08/04/04 10:21 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

dont get me wrong, its great that you are trying to do something positive for the world, but if you were realistic, you would focus on actual issues you could influence. Like helping slaves in America.

Yes, slavery still exists in America. Many people get duped into coming to the states, say...as a nanny for free education. The people who trick the young women financially trap them and completely take away their freedom, and often physically beat them as well.

your global revolution will never occur, I can guarantee that, but if you focus on something within your reach, you will be able to create positive change.


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