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    #2367395 - 02/22/04 12:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've been talking about starting a revolution for a long time. So far, I haven't done much except talk about it. Well it's time to do something about it.

What kind of revolution you ask? Well, ideally.. a global one would be nice. But these are the general themes:

1. Defend and uphold the universal rights of free will, free thought, and free choice.
2. Point out, uncover, and expose acts that are against free will
3. The War on Drugs must end
4. Expose the government's lies and deceptions using a straight-forward, give us answers approach
5. Take back our rights as sovereign humans, we must reclaim our power
6. Promote peace, understanding, diversity, love - eliminate national borders, we are all humans and citizens of Earth
7. Promote living in harmony with nature, and protecting the sanctity of Earth
8. Keep moving forward and do not back down

Now this isn't a perfect set of guidelines.. but it is a good start. Basically I want to be able to exist as a sovereign human with free will. My mission statement is the wiccan rede - and if it harms none, do as ye will.

I want to defend free will, I want to recover it and I want to help make a difference in this world however I am able to. There are a lot of problems, and a lot of changes that need to take place. We have to start somewhere.

So I want to get organized. There are a lot of people who have said they are with me in the past. SO WHO IS WITH ME?! I'm going to start with shroomerites and expand from there. I am thinking we will start by having weekly meetings, where we can discuss the issues and the most proactive and effective stances to take. We will start a website, where everything will be located. We could have newsletters, anything... our potential is unlimited. We just need some capable minds behind this, who are passionate about what they are doing. If our voice becomes strong and loud enough, people will take notice.

We need to get people to think. Let's discuss the REAL issues...and bring them into the public eye.

We must unite together for the good of all mankind. Together we are strong.

So who is with me?!?!


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367410 - 02/22/04 12:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

here here.

there has always been a desire in me, to change our world for the better. useless propagation of commercialism and stricly societal goals and accomplishments have fallen by the wayside of my life, deeming me a failure in the eyes of most. i am unphased. given the means, and the voice, i think a difference could be made. this is, of course very vague. what does a difference mean? shroomism did a good job outlining this....

every generation feels like a change will come, but it will after their time. all it takes is to KNOW that it will come in our time, because we will be the perpetrators of said change. i can talk alot, and ramble. but i think my heart is in the right place, and mymind is getting there. i am in.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367411 - 02/22/04 12:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I AM with you. :wink:

I am working on getting into a position where my voice can be heard. Music is a powerful tool.. message and meaning can be directly and indirectly implied.

And I am willing to help with the organization. You can count on me. :laugh:
Peace.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2367418 - 02/22/04 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im in shroomism
my only concern is that talk leads to action
we need to set both high reaching long term goals and immediate, active ones.
what physical actions will we take to make a differance?
we dont need to work this out now
but im with you


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367432 - 02/22/04 12:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The first thing should be writing or collecting articles that explain and reiterate the topics and ideals you want to promote, and to expose and explain the things that you want to vanquish. Everything needs to be written towards a layman audience, as they would be the most difficult to shift towards change.

I like the idea a lot, and am willing to help in ways that I can. I'm not skilled as a writer, but can usually come up with realtivly unique ideas and perspectives. A website, and stable area of chat are needed. A channel on the shroomery server would sufice, I imagine.

Something of irony.. talking about vanquishing useless commercialism on this website, lol.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2367433 - 02/22/04 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it needs to be worked out, however. there is a question of coinciding goals, as well. how can one agree to add their mind and hands a revolution if its goals are not primarily made evident?


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i'm curled on the floor
choose nothing, thus deciding
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Re: The Revolution [Re: hevvy_psi]
    #2367456 - 02/22/04 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the goals are evident in shroomisms initial post, at least generally
its just a matter of choosing specific topics under each category
i think the war on drugs is one we can all agree on
but with enviromental collapse around the corner
who cares if a bunch of spooks want to kill our buzz?
the 'war on drugs' never stopped me from getting lifted
so emotionally i dont really care about it
on the other hand it causes a lot of very real suffering in poor countries
i dunno
need some talkage


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Re: The Revolution [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2367460 - 02/22/04 12:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it demands talkage.

every person has, in their minds, a different preception of what their revolution would be. there needs to be unity under common goals.


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egocentrism is bangin on the door
self-destructive selflessness
seeps out from the core
alone - eyes closed - an empty room
i'm curled on the floor
choose nothing, thus deciding
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367466 - 02/22/04 12:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have often thought along similar lines. One can directly attack your own goverment's restrictions, but I would prefer a fresh, from-the-ground-up start.

1. Create a Virtual Country or Virtual World website.

2. Draw up a simple Constitution. (I know that you already put much thought into that.) Not just basic rules, but also how leadership will be determined or donations or membership fees will be used; perhaps the first true democracy with everyone able to vote on every issue equally.

3. Get people to sign up as members, agree to the New Constitution with their primary allegiance to the virtual country and secondary to their geographic country.

4. Create a flag or insignia. Sell to members with the proceeds to go into a special fund. Encourage all members to wear as often as possible to show their allegiance.

5. Associate or get endorsements from other high-minded organizations such as Amnesty International or the November Coalition or GreenPeace...

6. Get media attention.

7. Once you get sufficient members, then start using political clout to change the "real" world.

We should do it!

I nominate the names Eden or SwamiLand. How does that sound?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367468 - 02/22/04 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Unity, among all goals... to bring people together :wink:

this will strengthen the better parts of our "global community". At least the proposal to the world that that should be done, would in itself be a major advance.

ive been revolting for quite some time! Glad to see some of you are interested  :cool: .

Im up for a chat. We should start our own :wink: .... see how it goes .


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Re: The Revolution [Re: hevvy_psi]
    #2367470 - 02/22/04 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

BRAINSTORM-

Long Term Goals:

Replace current government with a more stable, efficient, and benevolent infrastructure, that views all citizens equally regardless of social status, a government that upholds and respects the free will of its citizens, and a government that is intended for NOTHING BUT serving the populace.

Put the power back into the hands of the people, make major issues that effects our lives an issue that can be voted on, majority rules. The people decide the laws, not the government.

Change the way money is distributed?balance the fields?no 5% having 95% of the money. Money should not equal power. People should not be able to be manipulated by money. Money should be replaced by a better system.

Promote free energy and alternative energy sources. Expose the oil industry.

The Free Will scenario ? you can do whatever you please, as long as it does not interfere with the free will of others.

World peace, unity, and embracing our diversity and differences


Short Term Goals:

Create awareness of the major issues that plague our societies and corrupt our leaders

Promote world peace, unity, and acceptance.

Make a website to put all the issues together in an organized, informative, well researched, and intelligent manner

Get people involved

Get people with influence involved

Create a better and more refined set of goals


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2367477 - 02/22/04 12:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

alliegance to geographic country is unnecessary. this must be global to work. i realize you can't change the world in a day, but simply toppling our government (a lofty goal in and of itself) will only allow another to take its place. i very much like the rest of that proposal.


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i'm curled on the floor
choose nothing, thus deciding
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2367488 - 02/22/04 12:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wow Swami... that is a really great idea. I like it a lot.

I'm going to start working on a rough draft for a 'constitution' of sorts. Then you all can critique it and we can edit and revise as neccessary. This is going to take a lot of careful planning and deliberate thought... I want to be as precise and error free as possible.

I propose an initial meeting in the shroomery IRC server channel #revolution this friday, 12am EST. if another time is better for everyone else then say so.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367510 - 02/22/04 01:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

majority rules. The people decide the laws, not the government.

This is an idea that has never been really worked out. Not even sure if it is possible. The majority of early Americans (USA) thought slavery was acceptable.
Now there is the debate on Gay Marriage.

How do you resolve issues when the majority wants to limit a minority? This will come up endlessly in more and more subtle forms. Even with a cool, immutable Constitution we have already seen what will happen. People are still people with limiting ideas about what should and should-not be, matter their spiritual nature.

Let's take a minor issue. Your NWG majority wants it be illegal to eat dogs, but cows are OK. Your Indian members want cows protected and your Vietnamese members think it OK to eat dogs and so on... The majority rules and some factions are pissed off, then things are the same as always with squabbles and virtual wars.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367516 - 02/22/04 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm in.


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You're here because you know something.
What you know you can't explain,
But you feel it;
You've felt it your entire life.
That there's something wrong with the world.
You don't know what it is, but it's there....
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367521 - 02/22/04 01:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quick idea: Universal communication needs to be free. Internet, phone, radio waves.. someone putting a price on our right to converse with others only limits us...

Or something. *shrugs* There is a service being provided and either way it would have to be paid for with taxes, I guess... but if money was going to be done away with than maybe something could be done towards this... Hhm....

Well, anyways, education is the MOST IMPORTANT thing here. It is the golden, all-encompassing key here... people need to be raised with a more encompassing understanding of life. A lot of problems would be solved...
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367524 - 02/22/04 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Any revolution, no matter how well intentioned, will sooner or later bog down into facism and hate/greed....

But by all means, dont let me stop you...


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2367525 - 02/22/04 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think we need a council of wise men. Where in cases like that, they will listen to the complaints and concerns of every faction, and decide the outcome based on what is most beneficial to everyone... based on the foundation of free will.. technically.. gay marriage will not even be an issue..they can do whatever they want, slavery is out of the question... all the laws will be based on the free will factor. If they want to eat dogs, that's their perogitave, as long as they are not eating their neighbors dogs.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367536 - 02/22/04 01:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think we need a council of wise men.

That is currently called "The Supreme Court" or "Congress" and doesn't work all that well. Merely changing the name will do nothing.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2367548 - 02/22/04 01:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No I don't mean a panel of people to judge with the power to rule someone's life.
I mean literally, a council, of wise men. Spiritual gurus who are chosen by the community for their service to other nature, and their benevolent intentions for the good of all, seeking a solution for harmony, in sync with free will. That is not the Supreme Court or Congress, not even close. I'm not talking about changing the name I'm talking about changing the way it all functions internally.


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