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help the (r)evolution
    #2962039 - 08/03/04 09:53 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

we need articles, original ones if possible, and lots of them.
news, info, pictures, whatever you have to contribute. Anything you think that would fit. Ideally the information should be objective and easy to understand. Not confuscating :wink:

Check out the barebones site here - http://globalhumanrevolution.org
and you can see the general topics we are looking at divulging into.. although things are subject to change.

I appreciate any help my fellow shroomerites can provide.. we are looking at covering topics such as:

Human Rights & Civil Liberties
Government and Politics (really need help on this one)
Freedom & Free Will
The War on Drugs
and many more.

Anyway you can write just about whatever you want but try to keep things efficient.. keep things simple and to the point, don't be long-winded. Think universally interesting.

If you have ANY suggestions at all feel free to shoot them my way. Also you might want to check out the forums.. www.globalhumanrevolution.org/forums

We need some writers and thinkers for the website and forums.. so if this is you please drop by and contribute what you can!

Peace all
Love and Light


Viva la Revolution!


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2963238 - 08/04/04 05:21 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

so, you want to do exactly what all the current worldwide governmental/environmental/humanitarian organizations are doing.....except...you want to get high while doing it?

you do know that there are hundreds of brilliant authors all ready writing on these subjects, who have many published articles and books, right?

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2964760 - 08/04/04 02:21 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Positronius said:
so, you want to do exactly what all the current worldwide governmental/environmental/humanitarian organizations are doing.....except...you want to get high while doing it?

you do know that there are hundreds of brilliant authors all ready writing on these subjects, who have many published articles and books, right?

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from what i can tell, no one has any idea what they want to do.

tho shroomism did post some socialist/communist ideas in his manifesto.

but he says its just some loose ideas...

why dont u post some of your own ideas?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2964860 - 08/04/04 02:44 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

ok I'm just about ready to present my ideas.  I've been getting them organized for a long time now (about 3-4 months)

blastrid, jsut because the responses hasn't been made publicly, even on the boards, it doesn't mean people aren't working right now.  this will be a long and tedious process, but we the people and this planet are well worth it. 

Posit brings up a good point, there are many writers out there.  and guess what...what a better way than to unite them all.  this is where contact and advertising will come in.  I just mo0ved to santa cruz and there are many groups out here along that would be interested in helping and joining together.

dunno why people are so quick to put ideas down, especially when they are out to spread the message of love and togetherness. 

common people, join the revolution and take part in changing society for a much better future!  :sun:


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Re: help the revolution [Re: kaiowas]
    #2964925 - 08/04/04 03:03 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

That was a great reply Kaio!  I think all of the movement in this direction is awesome everywhere I see it on the globe!

I was stopped cold with one word in the orginal post and that is the word 'revolution". It implies war to me and going up against something, and fighting  in opposition to something and THAT goes against all of the principles of Oneness. 

There's gotta be a better Directive Header Word for this movement that is in harmony with the cause itself.

I noticed you yourself didn't use the word revolution- it's harsh. It also implies using force to me and I don't think the way into oneness is found in forcing people to realise it and live in an awareness of it. It's gotta come about on it's own, one by one and it is. I think new recruits who are moved by visions of battle, may fall into the energy of forcing people to beleive as they do and that can cause more war and discord in itself.

Maybe someone can write and article about this for the revolution. LOL maybe I will! :wink:


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965165 - 08/04/04 04:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

i know only some people think about this,and even less consider it imporant.We also have to ecourage ideas of the environment,that includes eating and using animals.people give little regard to what they eat affects them.This isn't some vegan rant or anything.Its something i see as mandatory for peace.And yeah,plants need better treatment too.i wish this wasn't so beyond many peoples understanding.Iknow theres people out there that will though.I've had ideas about this for over the last year.Now its just a matter of writing it down.Instead of calling for revolution(which will incite violence in the minds of many due to language barriers)i suggest we call it evolution,even though i think someone has recommened that already.We call for evoltion so we further advance ourselves.If you people are having a revolution,count me out because i want to evolve.I call for Evolution.NO REVOLUTION.Understand?

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965186 - 08/04/04 04:44 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

revolutions just lead to the same point
I found this quote on dictionary.com and made me think about what i said about revoltions.

"The violence of revolutions is generally proportioned to the degree of the maladministration which has produced them". --Macaulay.

but also,theres this thing i've been thinking about.
I think killing in the name of God to be very very wrong.
But what about killing in the name of love.
I mean in a calm,non panic,compltely thought out situation,someones coming towards,you know they have intentions to kill,what do you do,there are weapons available,even a gun,what do you do,do you shoot the person,to let them kill you,do you run,but you run into more people wanting to kill you,what do you do in these instances?For the evolution of love,this seems like a hard obstacle to come over.There shouldn't be any violence,but when you kill out of love,where the violence,its almost liberating someone from their evil brainwashed minds that lack love.Its accepting them,thus loving them,you accept them as beings that can not understand the terms of love and what this world need.You kill them so in the future,they may be a son or daughter to be brought up in this world of future love.What do you think?Maybe i made sense.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2965324 - 08/04/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

he he,

Thats how the people who kill in the name of god talked their way into making it "right" to themselves.

Killing someone to defend yourself because you love yourself or even them and do so as a "mercy" shooting of sorts is really no different.

If murder is wrong to you in one area then it is wrong in all. The minute people start trying to justify it in some cases is how religious war starts.

I just got it into my head that its no more wrong then it is right, it just is and it serves me to honor free will. Not just the free will rights of the murderer, but those who draw the experience of being murdered to themselves as well. Who knows what it is both parties are seeking to understand through the experience on the higher levels? Maybe they both choose it to help the people around them move past judgment and ideas of loss.

I just didn't like the word revolution as it runs contrary to the goal of the group.

Anything people think they are fighting against out there, they are really only externalizing what they are fighting against within.

When are people just going to face their own shadows once and for all and make peace with them?  :heartpump:


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Re: help the revolution [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2965434 - 08/04/04 06:28 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

obviously there is a lot of pre-conceived notions of the word revolution and its history.. however if we are looking it at from a dictionary perspective it would fall under two meanings:
6. A total or radical change; as, a revolution in one's circumstances or way of living.

7. (Politics) A fundamental change in political organization, or in a government or constitution; the overthrow or renunciation of one government, and the substitution of another, by the governed.

I am thinking more in terms of peaceful evolution, global unity, and ascension than violent upheaval. Revolution is a word which conjurs up many fierce emotions, but we are not doomed to repeat the past. We are not going to overthrow the government, we are just going to be there with a plan when they collapse under their own weight. I am thinking more in terms of teaching people of earth to live with compassion, understanding and acceptance, to live in harmony with nature and to be self-governing entities.. sovereign beings. Love being the central core of our message. As opposed to fear..

The regard for human, animal, and natural life is one of protection and preservation.. the planet Earth, which we reside and depend on for our lives, is to be respected and cherished. Money, oil, and war are not the secrets of life. Mass consumerism and docile populaces is not healthy. SOMETHING must change, even if it's just one thing. And I do not intend to sit around picking my teeth muttering 'oh well.. can't do anything anyway'. I am going to control my reality. I've wasted enough of my life being pessimistic and full of despair.. I intend to make a difference and at least TRY and leave the world better than I found it.

I'm just a guy that enjoys my free will and the right to live a happy life. I do not like watching people get fucked by "the man" or being the one getting fucked. Frankly, I'm pissed.. and for about a million good reasons. I don't enjoy living in fear or having my loved ones live in fear yet that is what is shoved down our throats. This is just my perspective, based on my personal life experiences, and what I think a good life entails. Peace, love, happiness, acceptance, evolution, diversity, harmony with nature, other people.. what it does not entail is relentless fear campaigns, wars, human rights violations, murder, brainwashing, or any kind of manipulation through greed, fear, or power.. or ANYTHING that involves control and/or domination over other humans/animals/nature. We are not here to conquer the planet and each other.

I'm starting my own evolution revolution starting from within and working my way outwards. I'm just hoping everyone else will join me so that we may live in peace. If you want to get technical I speak of global human evolution through transcendence of fear and karma which would fall under the definition of revolution. I just want to promote oneness, equality, love, and spirituality.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965457 - 08/04/04 06:36 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Number 6 is how I see the movement- radical change for sure.

I was just thinking about the people who become crusader/warrior like when they hear the word revolution or start knocking on peoples doors like jehovahs witness shoving it down our throats.

I guess there will always be extremest radicals within times of radical change who loose sight of the goal.

I know you arn't one of them shrooms and understand what you all are doing.

Like I said, it might help if someone submitted an article on what is meant by revolution to cast it in a light that doesn't insuate fighting against something- the commonly known meaning of the word. A lot of people who could contribute WON"T if they think this is about starting another war.

Thanks for sharing your persoanl position and view on it.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965490 - 08/04/04 06:45 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

yeah i believe killing is wrong,it was just an idea thrown out there to see what the repsonse was.I don't think i would mind getting killed,its just if there was something i really needed to do as an effort for the peace,i mean what would i do.Lets just say hypothetically,I have an object(lets call it "A").And A has to get from Point 1 to Point 2 to achieve the much needed peace on this Earth.Lets just say its a matter of love and war.Someone becomes an obstacle for object A to get to point 2.And that someone wants to kill me for being one of the people of the human evolution movment.And i find my self in this situation of to be killed or kill,and also,to kill for peace,or to die for love.I mean love is suicide in these times,to want to give love to the world is suicide.I will kill myself over and over again to show the world what love is.But technically speaking,since we are all one,is it right to kill someone else,but in fact they are us(me).So its in terms of bettering myself as a whole.This isn't justification,its just guidlines for situations.I don't want any violence at all.I just want a peaceful movement that the people in power can't do anything about it.The only they can do is kill us,and i don't know how much good thats going to do.
I don't think any of this would happen if we or enough people love.
I think this is going to take more than a few years,as it has to get started and people invloved.i'm just waiting for a huge event,something funny,peacful and ironic at the same time.
What i always thought would be cool as a love protest would be
half million naked people sitting in front of the white house smoking pot.But that would get out of hand,and there would be evil people there too probably,i was just saying that'd be something funny and would humilate this goverment(one government is every government,capitlism is facism,etc,compare them all to this date,they all work gloablly together,so everyone has to be careful).
How about this:
How do you arrest a town complety filled with naked people,they all have food,they are self sufficent,and how do you enforce laws?
Something like that too could be made.But these ideas seem so hard to do.But in my mind they seem simple.I think i've been ranting all this time,so if i don't make sense,just think about it.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2965514 - 08/04/04 06:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

tnecseda said:
How do you arrest a town complety filled with naked people,they all have food,they are self sufficent,and how do you enforce laws?
Something like that too could be made.But these ideas seem so hard to do.But in my mind they seem simple.I think i've been ranting all this time,so if i don't make sense,just think about it.




you dont arrest them, you firebomb them for harboring terrorists.

and since the govt owns all the land(legally) they could kills us for trespassing.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #2965529 - 08/04/04 06:55 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Well I don't think anyone will get the wrong impression about our group, or at least think that we promote fear or war. We are working very hard to remain objective and to choose our wording very carefully, so as to not turn anyone away, while still getting our message across clearly. The site is under construction, but our mission statement thus far reads as such:


The Universal Freedom Organization is a growing community dedicated to providing truthful and objective information about pressing global issues. We believe that all humans have the right to live in freedom and govern their own lives while accepting responsibilty for their thoughts and actions.

We value the Earth as sacred, and believe that all natural life is to be respected and protected. We aim to raise awareness of the increasing spread of environmental problems that are destroying our shared environment while providing and promoting positive solutions to these problems. We promote independent, non-biased media and news sources to provide a balanced perspective to our members in forming their views about these matters.

We encourage freedom of speech, thought, expression, and self-determination for ALL humans in an atmosphere of tolerance and respect for alternate points of view. We seek an end to violations of human rights, and control of others through fear. We seek to unite all the nations of the world through open communication and peaceful resolution of conflicts.

We reject and repudiate violence now and forever as a means of achieving our goals. Our struggle will always be conducted on the high planes of dignity and discipline as we endeavor to reflect the change we seek to evoke in the world.

To these ends we will selflessly strive to promote peace, harmony with nature, and non-violence through the methods of tolerance and open communication with an emphasis on love and respect for all beings. We welcome all who would join us in making this mission their own.


We want to avoid misconceptions, and so it is good to get constructive feedback. Note constructive does not have to mean positive. We want to avoid miscommunications as much as possible, but that is practically impossible, what with the english language and all.. different words mean different things to different people. It's easy to be misinterpreted. But since we are trying to appeal to everyone on earth, (not any targetted groups) and unite people with the common good of mankind and nature in mind.. it is especially important to be as objective and universal as possible. We want to educate and unite through open communication and understanding. The internet is the perfect place to start.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2965531 - 08/04/04 06:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

this revolution/evolution has to understand you can't own land.please read my grass theory,i changed the name to The martrys of the earth,look it up.this is what we have to do for love.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965551 - 08/04/04 07:05 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I honestly dont think there is any hope of a group which consists of communists, socialists, libertarians, athiests, religious folk, right brains, left brains, nerds, jocks, country folk, city folk, Americans, Europeans, deadheads, ravers, gangstas, hardcore environmentalists, occultists, scientists, brain-fried hippies, cynical GenXers, and jaded baby boomers coming up with a set of ideals that they can all agree upon, much less implement a successful revolution based in those ideals.

call me a pessimist, I just dont see it happening. I've never been in a room where those things were being discussed that wasn't divided and embroiled in a never-ending struggle.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965556 - 08/04/04 07:06 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

its funny and sad at the same time cause its true

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2965557 - 08/04/04 07:06 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

nonethe less,revoltution is coming

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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965575 - 08/04/04 07:14 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The fact that everyone says it is pretty much hopeless only gives me more determination and will to go on. I am very passionate about certain things, and did I mention, the most stubborn person I know.  :grin:

I will do whatever it takes in my reality to make something happen. I am merely assisting the transformation. As for getting people to agree on something.. happiness and freedom is pretty much universal, and those that want to be miserable and control others through fear can go play somewhere else..


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965587 - 08/04/04 07:16 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The never ending struggle you reffered to doc is what I was getting at. people think it's about creating/forcing change out there and really, the need to do that is evident of the inner struggle which is the real cause to be addressed.

A group can work together to inspire each other to work on making peace with the inner struggle. I would give that more hope!


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965622 - 08/04/04 07:26 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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The fact that everyone says it is pretty much hopeless only gives me more determination and will to go on. I am very passionate about certain things, and did I mention, the most stubborn person I know.  :grin:

I will do whatever it takes in my reality to make something happen. I am merely assisting the transformation. As for getting people to agree on something.. happiness and freedom is pretty much universal, and those that want to be miserable and control others through fear can go play somewhere else..




If you really think its gonna be that easy to work out a consensus...  if you really think that people will put aside their own ideological predjudices and listen to reason...  If you think that people will empathize with eachother and genuinely try to understand one another's point of view...  If you think that people will be civil and leave personal insults out of intellectual discussions...  If you think that the organization you form (if indeed you manage to form one) wont be taken over and used against its initial purpose... 

...you obviously havent been paying attention.  I would recommend spending more time in the PA&L forum.  Especially now that you are a mod there.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965649 - 08/04/04 07:33 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

heh, I never said it was going to be easy :tongue:
why do you think I took the PA&L position? I want to practice. What better place to get the "other side of the picture" than the snake pit itself?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965667 - 08/04/04 07:38 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Shroomism,

I support you and will lend an article on what I am talking about here to raise awareness of it.

It just seems to me that if anyone is out to force externalize change, the mission will collapse on itself the same way you see the government collapsing on itself.

You and most in the group are out to raise awareness and inspire others and thats not what I am talking about.

I am talking about the people who Doc reffered to who will be drawn in and get involed with their own warring agendas to use force.

It already happened with the nesara group and its already collapsing on itself.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965725 - 08/04/04 07:51 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I dont mean to be an asshole or anything, and I admire your determination and effort. But I've seen too many similar projects fall apart to want to invest my own energy at this point. Depending on what you guys come up with, you may or may not have my support. But its just too frustrating to try and explain my position to people who are so stuck in their own. I can barely even handle PA&L as it is, and this is a freakin mushroom site! This isnt exactly a representative sample of mainstream america. If the debate at a site so focused in its intent is this heated and polarized, imagine what it would be like trying to contend with mainstream america! Remember that everyone has their own special interests, and very few people are willing to or even capable of seeing the big picture. Add to that a smattering of 9325678 different kinds of ideological predjudice, and you've got a room full of angry people, yelling at eachother and accomplishing exactly nothing.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965767 - 08/04/04 08:03 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

hey, when we get tired from doing such amazing revolutionary things like, writing articles and posting comments on the internet, can we play dungeons and dragons?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965791 - 08/04/04 08:12 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Believe me, I know exactly what you mean, and exactly where you are coming from. That is partially why it is such a mind-fuck for me to even start writing about some of these topics because they are so controversial. I have my opinions about everything like anyone, but I try to put those aside. Fortunately, I am very good at looking at and visualizing the big picture.. however the details are what kill me.

I do understand where you come from though, your 'projected outcome' may be pessimistic but it is also realistic, and I can understand completely why you would think something like that would happen, I've seen it happen myself many many times. That is why it is our top priority to think about things VERY carefully before we make action, and tread lightly. We want to avoid the room full of angry, arguing people at all costs. The ideal scenario is to have all those people in the room together, sharing a common bond of brotherhood and fellowship in the simple fact of being human.

I do realize that probably sounds idealistic, unrealistic and non-achievable, as I myself would agree with on a certain perspective.. but nevertheless, I am going to continue with my goal. People like you to poke and prod and question are very important in this process, because we are trying to appeal to the pessimist and skeptic.. the mainstream american.. It probably is not going to be easy, in fact it's probably close to fucking impossible, but I have seen with my own eyes enemies turn to friends and people that hate each other come together for a common goal that benefits all. It's not impossible.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2965802 - 08/04/04 08:15 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

hey, you want to stop being a cynical flamer and contribute something?
What makes you think writing articles and posting on the internet is the only thing I do?
That's some fine baseless speculation and assumption you got going on there.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965835 - 08/04/04 08:23 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

well, I'm still working on my scientific theory of government, but I think its going to take a long time to complete. I wish people would discuss these things in a civil manner with an open mind, but so far I just have a bunch of ideological purists calling me a fascist, which couldn't be further from the truth. My centrist politics dont win me a lot of allies; left-wingers think I'm a sell out and right-wingers think I'm a commie. The fact of the matter is: the right answers are seldom popular.

My main platform is abandoning theory, abandoning ideological purism and just being objective and building a government based on factual evidence and proven methods, instead of opinions about what 'could' work. I'm tired of people finding their party and sticking to it; I see the spectrum of politics as a multitool, and every band within that spectrum has its purpose and use.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965839 - 08/04/04 08:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Im not flaming, this revolution of yours is an egomaniacal fantasy, if you are actually interested in positive change, then do some with substance like soooo many great organizations are all ready doing.

this is just playtime for people who dont want to understand the real world.

thats not cynicism either, its intelligence, as opposed to lofty antics that have no application value.

but yeah, okay, lets hear about your REAL revolutionary exploits.

its also quite funny how the only functional link on your site is "donations"

very classy.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2965875 - 08/04/04 08:35 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

why not have some kind of wikipedia based system so people can add and modify the concurrent text that has been written, its a brilliant system and seems to help curb the needless negativity that happens in forums, and still give everyone that wants to contribute a chance to.

Just need some dedicated moderaters who are open minded and that follow some kind of democratic way of deciding whether changes that are made are worth keeping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution

Then just advertise it alot and see where it goes!

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2965910 - 08/04/04 08:41 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

no, the only functional link is community, for the forums. The donations button doesn't even work yet nor is it mine. It is also strictly for paying for bandwidth and licensing the forum.

What of my ideals lacks substance? Since when is love and harmony with nature and humanity considered lofty antics with no real-world application value?

I am actually interested in positive change. But please explain why this is an egomaniacal fantasy with zero substance when we have just started and are just beginning to put the site together. So please enlightened one, please elucidate me as to what I need to be doing, if I am going about it all wrong.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2965931 - 08/04/04 08:46 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

BE HERE NOW! the people here at the shroomery and all over the world that are cultivating mushrooms are all doing the work of GOD himself. manna from heaven, book of EXODUS old testament. nature will take it's course. wheather or not these individuals are aware that they are workers of GOD does not matter HE tends to protect and favor the righteous. everytime someone grows some shrooms or any other psycotropic plant\fungi and another person or perhaps many people ingest these plants and fungi then the person who nurtured those plants is responsible for changing the worlds future. we are responsible for many changes in the lives of the people who consume these plants and fungi. i can't speak for anyone else but i have been given a heavy responsibility to make sure that this information will always remain alive. we must all be very careful because we pose a threat to the dominator culture. jesus of nazareth was in the midst of starting a "revolution" look what happened to him. GOD bless.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2966053 - 08/04/04 09:17 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

what even sadder is that politics have grounded themselves into religion, and into business.  which means religion is grounded into business, and government.  which means religion, business, and government all determine how we live.  :sad:


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2966138 - 08/04/04 09:40 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

kaiowas don't frown,you know love will be here.I do think about my views,and i know they will be included,everything just needs to presented in the correct fashion.And what have the flamers here have done for the world?i'm curious.i want to actaully here some things,it would be kind of funny to actaully hear something,and i'm expecting to hear something.shroomism,once i get some ideas together,i'll present them to you

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2966160 - 08/04/04 09:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

like throwing the rock inthe pond, a ripple effect will occur. even the smallest thing you do, has the ability for a huge impact for the future. As the waves of ideas spread further and further out, the world will seem to get smaller and smaller.

Iv'e been creating my own little ripples in the pond, but going out every 3-4 days a week and talking to random strangers about things of the S&P nature. I see it in their eyes that I may have brought them back to thin about "what really matter" when it comes down to it. And even if most of them think of me as strange, I get thanks yous, and I get hand shakes of appreciation.

if you can touch one person's soul a day, if you can make one person smile and forget about preconcieved notions and negativity, if you can make them realize that we are all just regular people trying to make sense of the world, if you make them realize that our confusion is the same and we all share it, if you can.....and if you do...then you have begun to help the revolution we speak of.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2966165 - 08/04/04 09:47 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

And what have the flamers here have done for the world?

-donated hundreds of dollars to Amnesty International
-worked for an environmentalist NPO which built community gardens and promoted alternative/renewable energy sources.
-took part in an African infrastructure-building program
-promoted fair trade consumerism on my uni's campus, which has just passed a policy that all campus bussinesses must be 100% fair trade.
-made documentary on world water issues and immigrant issues
-"liberated" numerous billboards

etc

all very basic stuff, nothing special. I dont consider any of those things "doing something for the world", because I dont fancy myself the saviour of others like some people.

you guys are so delusional, material results are the only thing that matter, shit like building water pumps in rural Cambodia.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2966174 - 08/04/04 09:53 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

dude were all about love simple as that,you can't flame love.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2966182 - 08/04/04 09:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

you may think it's delusional posit...but give yourself more credit. that is awesome what you have done.

and no material results aren't the ONLY thing that matters.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2966184 - 08/04/04 09:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

and where also looking to liberate people instead of billboards.And we want to liberate information about things like free energy.No we don't know how all this is going down.But please help,even if its in improbable doesn't make it impossible.You know,we are really trying to do something,and if it turns out we fuck up or our plans fuck up,we tried for what we believe in.We believe in a loving world.Thats whats needed for you too.Please help,please help.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2966205 - 08/04/04 10:05 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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I honestly dont think there is any hope of a group which consists of communists, socialists, libertarians, athiests, religious folk, right brains, left brains, nerds, jocks, country folk, city folk, Americans, Europeans, deadheads, ravers, gangstas, hardcore environmentalists, occultists, scientists, brain-fried hippies, cynical GenXers, and jaded baby boomers coming up with a set of ideals that they can all agree upon, much less implement a successful revolution based in those ideals.

call me a pessimist, I just dont see it happening. I've never been in a room where those things were being discussed that wasn't divided and embroiled in a never-ending struggle.




the one thing that all those groups have in common is that we ARE all human. we DO all need the same things.

must figure out a way to satisfy the basic nessesitys of life for all.

OR

supply nothing, and let people fend for themselves.

either way seems "fair" to me.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2966254 - 08/04/04 10:21 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

dont get me wrong, its great that you are trying to do something positive for the world, but if you were realistic, you would focus on actual issues you could influence. Like helping slaves in America.

Yes, slavery still exists in America. Many people get duped into coming to the states, say...as a nanny for free education. The people who trick the young women financially trap them and completely take away their freedom, and often physically beat them as well.

your global revolution will never occur, I can guarantee that, but if you focus on something within your reach, you will be able to create positive change.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2966270 - 08/04/04 10:30 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

im not reaching for anything global.

national.

even short of that.

if i could start a tribe...

i am just as open to some kind of national "system"


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2966275 - 08/04/04 10:32 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I am 100% committed and ready to sacrifice my life for the betterment of mankind. I have my own strategy to gain power and use it to take everyone out of hunger, sickness, and poverty. The US government will pay people to go to college and steps will be made to ultimately abolish the root of all evil...I am skeptical to post some ideas for they will be stolen and used before the time is right.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Philanthropist]
    #2966282 - 08/04/04 10:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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I am 100% committed and ready to sacrifice my life for the betterment of mankind. I have my own strategy to gain power and use it to take everyone out of hunger, sickness, and poverty. The US government will pay people to go to college and steps will be made to ultimately abolish the root of all evil...I am skeptical to post some ideas for they will be stolen and used before the time is right.




GOOD LUCK.

PS. Hurry up please :wink:


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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2966286 - 08/04/04 10:39 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Look i am trying to do this without getting shot! For real look at the people i idol-> Mahatma Gandhi, Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King JR

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Philanthropist]
    #2966300 - 08/04/04 10:44 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

are you scared someone else will become world-leader before you by stealing your ideas?
will we have to bow down before you, send you our first born daughters, etc etc?

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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2966310 - 08/04/04 10:53 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I will bow as you bow.

Thats not important at all. I need knoledge of obtaining money fast and in quantity, i need to know important people and convince them i am greedy as well, i need to make music to lead our people, i need as much education as possible, look lets not scrutinize each other as much in this post, we need to be supportive and real at the same time. COME ON PEOPLE I AM DOWN, AND IF YOUR NOT DOWN GET THE FUCK OUT AND STOP WAISTING OUR TIME AND DEFLATING OUR COURAGE BECAUSE IT WILL BE DONE EITHER WAY WITH OUR WITHOUT YOU.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2966311 - 08/04/04 10:54 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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and where also looking to liberate people instead of billboards.



your moral and spiritual superiority is heartwarming. you wouldn't be from the usa by any chance?
Quote:

We believe in a loving world



which is what exactly?
love and hate are simply two extremes of the same thing. it is impossible to have one without the other.

ideals are very nice, i entertain them too.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2966316 - 08/04/04 10:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Here in the USA we are fucked up no doubt but listen...In order for us to change it for the better we must play it even more fucked up then they are on the outside to fool them, while we are really gonna do something great for everyone here.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Philanthropist]
    #2966327 - 08/04/04 11:07 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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COME ON PEOPLE I AM DOWN, AND IF YOUR NOT DOWN GET THE FUCK OUT AND STOP WAISTING OUR TIME 




yep i feel the :heart:.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2966364 - 08/04/04 11:22 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

i always think of something impratical happening.Like a large part of the population just saying that they don't care anymore.Like they say the don't care..shoot me,jail me,take my house.all of that.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2966381 - 08/04/04 11:26 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

"liberate people"

yeah, some stoner that probably doesnt have a job and most likely hasnt accomplished anything, and maybe grew up in the middle-class suburbs is going "liberate" people.

what a joke, liberate yourself from your ignorant pretentions first.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2966382 - 08/04/04 11:26 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

:mrt: whats you talkin bout sucka?

You really should have a mission statement before you dirrect us to that site.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2966391 - 08/04/04 11:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

calm down playboy. this is the wrong place to be insulting stoners.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2967587 - 08/05/04 11:11 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Explain these ignorant pretentions and be specific about what this joke is because i haven't found anything funny here and you seem to know something i don't.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: shroomydan]
    #2968185 - 08/05/04 01:53 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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:mrt: whats you talkin bout sucka?

You really should have a mission statement before you dirrect us to that site.




the idea is that you would contribute to the mission.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2968262 - 08/05/04 02:10 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

i smoke pot sometimes and i don't have a job,i'm a dropout and i live in the country.That was a close guess.Well the thing is,i have to stay away from big organizations.I can't tell you why.lol.its so funny its not funny.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2970429 - 08/05/04 11:19 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

sometimes the way people act towards is so funny its sad.don't insult us(anyone who would or does want to or does help towards this revolution) please help,i think a system could be set up in a manner so everyone could contribute.EVERYONE.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2970463 - 08/05/04 11:27 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

whoever said we don't have a mission statement.. look again.. I even posted it in this very thread..

As for me I am using all of my (very little) spare time to work on the site. So it should begin to slowly come together in the next couple of weeks. As for a system where everyone can contribute.. well that's what we have the forums for.. at least for right now, that's the best thing we can handle. Everyone is encouraged to join the forums there and contribute their thoughts and opinions. We have lots of aspirations and goals but we're just taking it one step at a time. After we get the site together and link up with some other organizations, we are looking into becoming a non-profit organization, and donating time/money/research/etc to a noble cause. There are a lot of ways we can make a difference and we have only just begun to explore the possibilities, so I hope you all will join us in this multi-faceted mission.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2970565 - 08/05/04 11:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I still don't know this "revelution" of which you speak. I've been to your site. I couldn't figure out how to log on. I'm a stoner; make it easier.

I have some philosophy papers that I could contribute, some more technical than others. I don't know what your looking for.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2970633 - 08/06/04 12:12 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

i'm wary of organizations.i mean i look forward to it.But its like everyone has to be on the same level,know what i mean?One should not be able to question about control or "power".I'm all for an organiztion,i'll support it.I know its just begining,and i appricate your efforts,and i respect you very much.I love you too.I'm jumping to conclusions of light paranoia,but its not that exactly.I trust in this organinztion idea,but there also has to be a way to confirm light in someones heart,if you get where i'm following.Im just trying to see it from everyside i can.Your efforts are something much needed.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2970648 - 08/06/04 12:19 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

only 2 of the funny java links work as far as i know right now...


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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2970919 - 08/06/04 02:52 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

oh, so you guys are an NPO now, so...basically you want to get paid for fucking around? what actual -material- plans do you have that will help your community?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2970956 - 08/06/04 03:17 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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oh, so you guys are an NPO now, so...basically you want to get paid for fucking around? what actual -material- plans do you have that will help your community?




i dont want anyones money...

if anyones getting money its shroomism as far as i know..

and plans? well just whats on the site/forums for now..
i hear people are hard at work writing different things currently...

alwys i say...
why dont u make some plans?
post on the forums.
write a paper and send it to shroomism.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2970965 - 08/06/04 03:27 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

why dont u make some plans?

okay, add a page to your site that explain fair trade coffee in an intelligent, truthful manner. Make a stick that says "is it fair trade" and write the link to fair trade page under the slogan.

put the sticker around every coffee shop in your city, in a position so people can read it as they walk inside.

Cheap stickers are available at any staples.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2971143 - 08/06/04 07:36 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I agree. If you want to "live in harmony with nature", then use less resources, reuse and recycle more. Buy fair-trade, don't buy from unethical companies, use your car less (or sell your car). And encourage others to do so.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2971636 - 08/06/04 10:38 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I was interested a few months ago when this started out as a free will thing. Now it's turned into an evironmental-socialist campaign?

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2972520 - 08/06/04 03:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

So people can walk by the sticker and not pay attention? That is useless. We need to get mad dough and put it on a billboard. Money is power people and you need money whether or not you like it to get the power to make a change!!!

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2972540 - 08/06/04 03:45 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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why dont u make some plans?

okay, add a page to your site that explain fair trade coffee in an intelligent, truthful manner. Make a stick that says "is it fair trade" and write the link to fair trade page under the slogan.

put the sticker around every coffee shop in your city, in a position so people can read it as they walk inside.

Cheap stickers are available at any staples.




ive posted alot on the forums.

as for plans... im not yet able to conceive of any that i think would be helpfull (aside from doing what im doing now).

i dont think there is a clear enough idea of what would be effective in creating the kind of change thats being talked about. nor do i think the idea is clear enough.

many ppl suggest many things.

and yet, i still think we need more input.

after we get enough, maybe a general idea will arise from the mess of it.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: ]
    #2972777 - 08/06/04 04:46 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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I was interested a few months ago when this started out as a free will thing. Now it's turned into an evironmental-socialist campaign?




No.. it is still a free will thing, that is the foundation of our mission.. but we are also looking towards environmental concerns..


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    #2973074 - 08/06/04 05:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I dunno if you read my money thing yet in PAL shroomsism, but that's just one part of what I've been typing up for the last couple of months.

it takes a lot of research


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Re: help the revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2973792 - 08/06/04 09:34 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

So you think we should stick to the status quo then?

No im not referring to being irrational, im just talking about forming a new point of view, the one without such a world... can ya dig?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: ]
    #2974608 - 08/07/04 02:51 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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I was interested a few months ago when this started out as a free will thing. Now it's turned into an evironmental-socialist campaign?




please explain how -a consumer buying a commodity from a private corporation- is in any way "socialist".


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2974693 - 08/07/04 04:16 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Ah, I'd like to help!


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    #2974739 - 08/07/04 05:18 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

What was the problem about starting the revolution in the shroomery ?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2975084 - 08/07/04 10:24 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

please explain how -a consumer buying a commodity from a private corporation- is in any way "socialist"

It isn't. I didn't mention anything about commodities or corporations. I don't understand at all where you got that from or what you're trying to imply...??

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    #2976308 - 08/07/04 06:21 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

my mistake, I thought your "socialist" comment was directed towards the "fair trade" suggestion.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2976733 - 08/07/04 09:57 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Stop arguing about BS, ok for my vision there are a couple different categories. Remember i am providing these myself for the most part.

1. Education in the following areas: Business, Law, Politics, Music, Movies

The business motive is to finance the education in each category as well as lobbying political power and to make the music and movies.

The law part is to protect the business part of the plan and manipulative strategy in politics.

The music part has to do with getting the attention from those who need to listen. I am starting with rap music because you can express ideas easily and those are the people who need to listen the most. G-UNIT

The movie aspect is used to show people the idea in a reality setting.

IT WILL BE DONE

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    #2976743 - 08/07/04 09:59 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

O yea Pos, here is just one of my ideas. Citizens will be paid for their education and the education will be in useful areas unlike accounting and such. Pos i don't see you contributing to this post at all and i am tired of all the pessimism. Try to be more supportive but i like the criticism because cynical people are not gullible.

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    #2978223 - 08/08/04 12:31 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

your music idea is a good start,but very limiting.education is payment enough,the schools today arn't like that,the education isn't payment so much as being lied to.if there was a great education system,any real student knows knowledge is more than any payment of money.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #2978410 - 08/08/04 01:56 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Shroomism if you plan on building a society, the people that really come together will have to know their roots. We will need some warriors, some seers, some healers, and a lot of other types of people to hold a civilization together.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2980962 - 08/09/04 09:45 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

So Shroomism, what exactly are you and the lot doing right now beside posting on internet BBSs?

There is a lot of talking and little action, if you take my meaning... well no action at all if i'm not mistaking

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Re: help the revolution [Re: cleaner]
    #2990111 - 08/11/04 07:22 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

It all has to start out with alot of talking. The more talking there is, the better the plan gets.
And plus, all of this talking leads to more people being aware of what is in the process right now. I hope one day Shroomism's website will be even more visited than the Shroomery.

There shall be little action until everybody involved knows what they have to do to help the cause.
I think the action will occur at a set date.
The work that is needed right now is to spread the word on what is going on.
Keep up the hard workin Shroomism, please don't ever loose hope.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: exclusive58]
    #2990125 - 08/11/04 07:29 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

What im trying to say is we need to do something radical. We need to recreate organisations such as weather underground. Organisations that do stuff that halters and sets back govt

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Re: help the revolution [Re: cleaner]
    #2991719 - 08/11/04 03:09 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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What im trying to say is we need to do something radical. We need to recreate organisations such as weather underground. Organisations that do stuff that halters and sets back govt




to what end?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2991821 - 08/11/04 03:27 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

And more importantly, with what means?
(Because those will be your ends.)


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Jellric]
    #2992294 - 08/11/04 05:46 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

to what ends and with what means has already vastly been discussed in The Revolution thread

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Re: help the revolution [Re: exclusive58]
    #2992384 - 08/11/04 06:02 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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to what ends and with what means has already vastly been discussed in The Revolution thread




there is no thread by that name, i just searched.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: exclusive58]
    #2992460 - 08/11/04 06:12 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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It all has to start out with alot of talking. The more talking there is, the better the plan gets.
And plus, all of this talking leads to more people being aware of what is in the process right now. I hope one day Shroomism's website will be even more visited than the Shroomery.

There shall be little action until everybody involved knows what they have to do to help the cause.
I think the action will occur at a set date.
The work that is needed right now is to spread the word on what is going on.
Keep up the hard workin Shroomism, please don't ever loose hope.




And what is going on? Cmon guys, get real. To become politicaly relevant, first you have to start acting politicaly. This means creating synergy for solving of societal core problems. But this all takes much more things than enthusiasm I appreciate is.

BTW, somebody bs to Shroomism saying that only actions worth. It might be true if these actions make sense. But right now, there is no world organisation that does so. In the other hand, talking, arguing etc might get to the good.

Off course, this migh happen after Shroomism gets off the ego trip that caries the whole movement. After that, you will see who understands these things more deeply and who is ready to fight for the real revolution. That one will become the member of the world movement that will happen pretty soon.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2992592 - 08/11/04 06:33 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

your search was weak  :yawn: ...lazy  :wink:

The Revolution


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Re: help the revolution [Re: exclusive58]
    #2992624 - 08/11/04 06:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

maybe cuz i searched for The Revolution, main posts only.

and that was called The Revolution *updated - forums*

and that thread does adress issues, but from what i remember there was little in the way of means to accomplish any end.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Crobih]
    #2992739 - 08/11/04 06:58 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

you ask And what is going on?
but at the same time you talk about the world movement that will happen pretty soon.


I'm not quite sure what it is that is going on, but I'm pretty sure soemthing is going on.
Nor am I sure in what form the revolution will take place, but i'm quite sure it will take place.

i don't know about you, but i feel that amongst the younger generations of today, the word 'revolution' is starting to anchor itself in people's minds, almost naturally, its taking a meaning, a real meaning, and i have never witnessed it been frowned upon whenever i mention it.

And BTW, fuck politics. fuck politicians.
In unity, politics are not needed. Only reason.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Crobih]
    #2992749 - 08/11/04 07:00 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

cleaner said:
So Shroomism, what exactly are you and the lot doing right now beside posting on internet BBSs?

There is a lot of talking and little action, if you take my meaning... well no action at all if i'm not mistaking




A lot of planning actually, and researching, and writing. Everyone is doing their thing and the ideas are slowly accumulating. Things are coming together.

For now I think our primary objectives are education, particularly to human rights and civil liberties.. and maybe a spotlight on political injustice. Educate the everyday person on a universal level, with a strong focus towards human unity, peace, and harmony with the environment. But that's just my take on the situation.

We're not even thinking about taking actions yet until we have our core firmly established. Once the pieces are in place I expect that we will focus on the vast spectrum of topics that could encompass a global human movement towards sovereignty and 'global unity', without the NWO part. We could branch out in a number of directions, the future is uncertain.

For now it's mostly talking, researching, planning, writing.. the material plans will come together after we have our information foundation. That is also the time we begin to spread the word.

There's been a ton of good ideas in this thread and I really appreciate all the feedback you guys have given. This isn't about me, I'm just doing this in what little spare time I have between work, my woman, music, and sleep. I'm just hoping to help create something that interests a lot of people and gets a lot of people passionately involved. So that together, as a society and as humans, we can work together for a better way of life (for all) and evolution.

We're still in the construction stages though, so now is the time to hop on board and contribute in the formation of this entity. We need all the brain (and spirit) power we can get.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: exclusive58]
    #2992856 - 08/11/04 07:24 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

This shit aint gonna happen for 30 years!!! And for those of you who say no one is taking action its because we don't have enough power yet. O yea i am gonna go do something with my 100s of people when i know i can't do shit until i have 1000000s. Look- grow your shrooms, grow your weed, get your education, get into politics, get your money and when the time is right. Bam! right in the kisser. We all have the same ideas here for a better future.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2993591 - 08/11/04 10:37 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

The kind of changes we're talking about won't happen overnight. (Sorry to disappoint).
But as Shroomism said, we are in the brainstorming and information gathering phase. Which is a cool thing because there is no set agenda, no marching orders to hand to new members. This is a growing, organic entity we have here. There is plenty of opportunity at this time for you all to come in and let your voice be heard.

Everyone can contribute something to this creature. One thing I have done is assist in writing the mission statement and put a non-violence clause in there just in case we form a community in the future and one day Shroomism shows up wearing dark shades and pushing kool aid.  :gangsta:

Actually I am more worried about the remote possibility that nutbags would one day hijack the movement and the non-violence clause kinda puts a damper on that.

So I think its proper we brainstorm and get a good idea of the direction we want to take before we take real action. Right now one thing we can do is educate, and later I can definitely forsee group projects to create specific changes. It's worthwhile even if its only a small thing. Do you want to be lying on your death bed and realize that in your life you never lifted a finger to help humanity when you knew how messed up the world is?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Jellric]
    #2994386 - 08/12/04 01:50 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

if you guys really want to create positive change, then save up all your money and invest in corporations like "Mitsubishi Heavy Industry" who are on the vanguard of alternative energy technology, and waste removal systems.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2994464 - 08/12/04 02:42 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

mitsubishi....recently in the shit for covering up defects in their vehicles. defects that caused some fatal accidents.
not to mention a major supplier of military hardware for japan's (ahem) self defense forces.
really, they are just another big profit-driven corporation, no ethics at all.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: mr crisper]
    #2994487 - 08/12/04 02:58 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

mitsubishi motors is a different corporation than mistubishi heavy industry, do your homework.

"major supplier of military hardware for japan's (ahem) self defense forces"

yes, and? welcome to reality


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2994493 - 08/12/04 03:07 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

pos... i live in japan and sub-contract to most of the major companies here - hitachi, sumitomo, seiko, kawasaki, etc.

after the war, the large corporations were broken up by the u.s. govt. but since then the pieces have slowly merged back together....bit like terminator2 manages to do.
they all get together in the boardrooms.

welcome to reality? you're the one claiming they are nice. i don't judge them, its just business

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Re: help the revolution [Re: mr crisper]
    #2994504 - 08/12/04 03:15 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

claiming they are nice? I claimed that they are developing and supporting technology that will work wonders for our world. Im merely trying to promote realistic ways to achieve progression.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2994510 - 08/12/04 03:24 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Im merely trying to promote realistic ways to achieve progression.


for that you have my full respect.
i think you have offered some great suggestions in this thread.
hey! - you could start a message board :wink:

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Re: help the revolution [Re: mr crisper]
    #2994511 - 08/12/04 03:25 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

well thank you Mr Crisper, the feeling is mutual.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2994635 - 08/12/04 06:11 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Positronius said:
if you guys really want to create positive change, then save up all your money and invest in corporations like "Mitsubishi Heavy Industry" who are on the vanguard of alternative energy technology, and waste removal systems.




That's another great idea, as promoting alternative energy technology and waste removal is one of our long term goals. Keep 'em coming!  :thumbup:


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2994639 - 08/12/04 06:16 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Cut out all middlemen. Producers should sell goods to consumers, no wholesale and retail bollocks costing precious time and resources.

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    #2997167 - 08/12/04 06:54 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Cut out all middlemen.




yeah..particularly in the drug trade  :smirk:

btw I really like that.. (r)evolution.  Awesome.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: deafpanda]
    #2997794 - 08/12/04 09:27 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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deafpanda said:
Cut out all middlemen. Producers should sell goods to consumers, no wholesale and retail bollocks costing precious time and resources.




how does a producer get his/her product to the consumer?

pay a trucker?

pay a rail line?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2998082 - 08/12/04 10:41 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

in some cases perhaps a number of products could be produced more locally to it's consumers?

if only every town had their own little hemp industry..

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Re: help the revolution [Re: ekomstop]
    #2999072 - 08/13/04 02:33 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

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Maya311 said:
in some cases perhaps a number of products could be produced more locally to it's consumers?

if only every town had their own little hemp industry..




yea.
i bet we could create nearly self sufficient communites.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2999768 - 08/13/04 08:43 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

"i bet we could create nearly self sufficient communites."

which no one, save for a teeeeny tiny hippy minority would want to live in.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #2999863 - 08/13/04 09:07 AM (19 years, 10 months ago)

Suits me :smile:

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Re: help the revolution [Re: deafpanda]
    #3000904 - 08/13/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

I dont think you could do that in this or any other country though. You would either have to have your own country, or have the world behind you. Unless you were out in the woods or something, but someone would find you. You know what i mean?

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Re: help the revolution [Re: MerlinBurb]
    #3001206 - 08/13/04 02:23 PM (19 years, 10 months ago)

that would be cool if people really did that though - just completely not do anything with the real government, burnt the money, and just lived completely by themselves. But whole communities - to prove that such a thing is posible, that there is opprotunity for a better government.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #3004122 - 08/14/04 11:08 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

BleaK said:
Quote:

Maya311 said:
in some cases perhaps a number of products could be produced more locally to it's consumers?

if only every town had their own little hemp industry..



yea.
i bet we could create nearly self sufficient communites.





This reminds me of of the utopian ideas of a guy named Charles Fourier. He presented his ideas in 1796, after the French Revolution of 1789, but he was only made fun of. Nonetheless, he had very interesting ambitions for the greater good of humanity. He seriously wanted to change society for the better, and here was his ideal society:

He said humans should live in small communities of 1600 to 1800 people. He called these communities "phalanxes". His idea was that the community would replace the family, because without family, no more parental relations, no more autoritative relations. The government would also be limited to the strictest minimum. The important decisions would be made in common in the central place of each community.

I'm gonna spare all the details, because there's alot of em In fact, he wrote several books in which he described every single details, inlcuding one called The New Industrial and Shareholder World (i think its the right translation).

Disciples of Fourier have built these "phalanxes" in Bresil, Argentina, Mexico, and even in the United States.

In france, in 1859, Andre Godin, the inventor of frying-pans, inspired by Fourier, created a community of 1200 people that lived together, produced frying-pans, and shared the profit.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: exclusive58]
    #3004158 - 08/14/04 11:24 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Shroomism, I think that it is also essential, in the brainstorming work, to dig up all the previously found ideas in history. The idea of creating a better society is not something new. I think it is an initiative that has been worked on ever since the beginning of society.

I know this is very hard and thorough work, but, again, it is essential.
It'd be a shame to not even consider all the previously thought up ideas and all.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: exclusive58]
    #3004352 - 08/14/04 12:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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exclusive58 said:
you ask And what is going on?
but at the same time you talk about the world movement that will happen pretty soon.


I'm not quite sure what it is that is going on, but I'm pretty sure soemthing is going on.
Nor am I sure in what form the revolution will take place, but i'm quite sure it will take place.

i don't know about you, but i feel that amongst the younger generations of today, the word 'revolution' is starting to anchor itself in people's minds, almost naturally, its taking a meaning, a real meaning, and i have never witnessed it been frowned upon whenever i mention it.

And BTW, fuck politics. fuck politicians.
In unity, politics are not needed. Only reason.




Politics are not just Bush and Kerry stuff. It is about managing of the societal power. By ignoring of this concept, you are setting path to nowhere. Or to be more precise, it is actually the ignorance that is the root of all of this world shit. So, if you want to change this shit, you can not give yourself the right to be the same shit as the one that caused the problem.

Edited by Crobih (08/14/04 01:00 PM)

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #3004371 - 08/14/04 01:05 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
A lot of planning actually, and researching, and writing. Everyone is doing their thing and the ideas are slowly accumulating. Things are coming together.

For now I think our primary objectives are education, particularly to human rights and civil liberties.. and maybe a spotlight on political injustice. Educate the everyday person on a universal level, with a strong focus towards human unity, peace, and harmony with the environment. But that's just my take on the situation.




My recomend. Do not let yourself the attitude that you are on the top of the mountain. Always question every thing, even being so obvious. Question even the faith itself.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Crobih]
    #3004384 - 08/14/04 01:11 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #3004658 - 08/14/04 02:51 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

not to get into beliefs or whatever...but i think a very good foundation for the (r)evolution is the Tao.Its not religious in any sense,its a great foundation for the self,the houshold,the village,the city,the country,the world.i mean just a base,not like follow it to its fullest.i mean its a very good start i think.but sure theres other things,but something that doesn't invlove religion ,ever better.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Crobih]
    #3004969 - 08/14/04 05:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Politics are not just Bush and Kerry stuff. It is about managing of the societal power. By ignoring of this concept, you are setting path to nowhere. Or to be more precise, it is actually the ignorance that is the root of all of this world shit. So, if you want to change this shit, you can not give yourself the right to be the same shit as the one that caused the problem.

Yes, you are right.
I admit i'm pretty ignorant in the realm of politics.
I guess its just that in my little imaginary ideal world, politics wouldn't be needed. And somewhere deep down i feel that this is possible, not yet though.
And you know, i haven't been around here for very long, but each time i observe politicans on TV...i don't know... there's some kind of craziness that comes out of them...but ya, your post did make me want to educate myself more on the workings of politics, but not in the purpose of being a politician.


BTW, you mentioned someone called Avangarda in one of your posts. Could you please PM a link to somewhere i could get info about him?


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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #3005087 - 08/14/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

killing people in wars isn't like a game,its actually kind of pathetic and stupid,not to mention horrible.Now politics,now theres a childrens game.Its full of imaginary things,i mean the kids know how they act and what they say isn't real,but its a game,so lets just have fun ruining peoples lives for the sake of the game.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #3005089 - 08/14/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

you know,all that gay crap i can't comprehend

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Re: help the revolution [Re: exclusive58]
    #3006293 - 08/15/04 06:35 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

exclusive58 said:
Politics are not just Bush and Kerry stuff. It is about managing of the societal power. By ignoring of this concept, you are setting path to nowhere. Or to be more precise, it is actually the ignorance that is the root of all of this world shit. So, if you want to change this shit, you can not give yourself the right to be the same shit as the one that caused the problem.

Yes, you are right.
I admit i'm pretty ignorant in the realm of politics.
I guess its just that in my little imaginary ideal world, politics wouldn't be needed. And somewhere deep down i feel that this is possible, not yet though.
And you know, i haven't been around here for very long, but each time i observe politicans on TV...i don't know... there's some kind of craziness that comes out of them...but ya, your post did make me want to educate myself more on the workings of politics, but not in the purpose of being a politician.




Though question. Anyway, to make this easy as possible, the whole stuff is about creating synergy of an action that is becoming politicaly relevant being strong enough to set desired political trends.

To create synergy you need to have a good feed back mechanism, to be reasonable and you actually need politicians. But not in the clasical contexts (they are just PRs), but those who will specialise in psychology, sociology, menagment, leadrship and other stuff that helps us become synergic. Though, if you are not ready to be politician, you can do some other stuff for the sake of the common good. You can expertise even in some other stuff that makes the whole picture working, or just supporting issues and projects you find worthy and real (we need to wath about the energy we are dealing with, as long it is not indefinite)

Quote:

BTW, you mentioned someone called Avangarda in one of your posts. Could you please PM a link to somewhere i could get info about him?




My spelling was wrong. When I was talking about avangarda, I though about this :smile:

Anyway, I hope I helped you at least a little bit. uhhhhhhhh

Edited by Crobih (08/15/04 06:36 PM)

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #3007005 - 08/15/04 09:48 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

tnecseda said:
killing people in wars isn't like a game,its actually kind of pathetic and stupid,not to mention horrible.Now politics,now theres a childrens game.Its full of imaginary things,i mean the kids know how they act and what they say isn't real,but its a game,so lets just have fun ruining peoples lives for the sake of the game.




have another one. If only life reflected your cartoonish understanding...my eyeballs would be popping out of my skull and beating my computer screen like a punching bag.


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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #3030248 - 08/20/04 08:48 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys I'm back! I was banned for a little while but its finally over. I start school up again and I need the grades to get into Harvard and run for president. I am working in all aspects.

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Positronius]
    #3034272 - 08/21/04 08:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

whats so cartoony about my understanding?if you got something that is more applicable or udnerstandable please say it....

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Philanthropist]
    #3051156 - 08/25/04 11:14 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys i'm just posting a reminder for all of us to
STACK THAT MONEY!!!! Grow Grow Grow!!!!

Here is a little motivation from a muslim friend who understands somewhat....
"Life is a jungle. You can go through it fearing lions and tigers, you will never make it out. The only way out is to go through it with God by your side."

-Just don't get your $ through scams like Space Loser!!

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Re: help the revolution [Re: Philanthropist]
    #3084472 - 09/02/04 08:10 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

should this be sticky?i vote on a sticky

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Re: help the revolution [Re: tnecseda]
    #3085530 - 09/03/04 12:30 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

We talk about social service, service to the people, service to humanity, service to others who are far away, helping to bring peace to the world - but often we forget that it is the very people around us that we must live for first of all. If you cannot serve your wife or husband or child or parent - how are you going to serve society? If you cannot make your own child happy, how do you expect to make anyone else happy? If all our friends in the peace movement or of service communities of any kind do not love and help one another, whom can we love and help? Are we working for other humans, or are we just working for the name of an organization?!?

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