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The Revolution *updated - forums*
    #2367395 - 02/22/04 12:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I've been talking about starting a revolution for a long time. So far, I haven't done much except talk about it. Well it's time to do something about it.

What kind of revolution you ask? Well, ideally.. a global one would be nice. But these are the general themes:

1. Defend and uphold the universal rights of free will, free thought, and free choice.
2. Point out, uncover, and expose acts that are against free will
3. The War on Drugs must end
4. Expose the government's lies and deceptions using a straight-forward, give us answers approach
5. Take back our rights as sovereign humans, we must reclaim our power
6. Promote peace, understanding, diversity, love - eliminate national borders, we are all humans and citizens of Earth
7. Promote living in harmony with nature, and protecting the sanctity of Earth
8. Keep moving forward and do not back down

Now this isn't a perfect set of guidelines.. but it is a good start. Basically I want to be able to exist as a sovereign human with free will. My mission statement is the wiccan rede - and if it harms none, do as ye will.

I want to defend free will, I want to recover it and I want to help make a difference in this world however I am able to. There are a lot of problems, and a lot of changes that need to take place. We have to start somewhere.

So I want to get organized. There are a lot of people who have said they are with me in the past. SO WHO IS WITH ME?! I'm going to start with shroomerites and expand from there. I am thinking we will start by having weekly meetings, where we can discuss the issues and the most proactive and effective stances to take. We will start a website, where everything will be located. We could have newsletters, anything... our potential is unlimited. We just need some capable minds behind this, who are passionate about what they are doing. If our voice becomes strong and loud enough, people will take notice.

We need to get people to think. Let's discuss the REAL issues...and bring them into the public eye.

We must unite together for the good of all mankind. Together we are strong.

So who is with me?!?!


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367410 - 02/22/04 12:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

here here.

there has always been a desire in me, to change our world for the better. useless propagation of commercialism and stricly societal goals and accomplishments have fallen by the wayside of my life, deeming me a failure in the eyes of most. i am unphased. given the means, and the voice, i think a difference could be made. this is, of course very vague. what does a difference mean? shroomism did a good job outlining this....

every generation feels like a change will come, but it will after their time. all it takes is to KNOW that it will come in our time, because we will be the perpetrators of said change. i can talk alot, and ramble. but i think my heart is in the right place, and mymind is getting there. i am in.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367411 - 02/22/04 12:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I AM with you. :wink:

I am working on getting into a position where my voice can be heard. Music is a powerful tool.. message and meaning can be directly and indirectly implied.

And I am willing to help with the organization. You can count on me. :laugh:
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Re: The Revolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2367418 - 02/22/04 12:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Im in shroomism
my only concern is that talk leads to action
we need to set both high reaching long term goals and immediate, active ones.
what physical actions will we take to make a differance?
we dont need to work this out now
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367432 - 02/22/04 12:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The first thing should be writing or collecting articles that explain and reiterate the topics and ideals you want to promote, and to expose and explain the things that you want to vanquish. Everything needs to be written towards a layman audience, as they would be the most difficult to shift towards change.

I like the idea a lot, and am willing to help in ways that I can. I'm not skilled as a writer, but can usually come up with realtivly unique ideas and perspectives. A website, and stable area of chat are needed. A channel on the shroomery server would sufice, I imagine.

Something of irony.. talking about vanquishing useless commercialism on this website, lol.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2367433 - 02/22/04 12:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

it needs to be worked out, however. there is a question of coinciding goals, as well. how can one agree to add their mind and hands a revolution if its goals are not primarily made evident?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: hevvy_psi]
    #2367456 - 02/22/04 12:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the goals are evident in shroomisms initial post, at least generally
its just a matter of choosing specific topics under each category
i think the war on drugs is one we can all agree on
but with enviromental collapse around the corner
who cares if a bunch of spooks want to kill our buzz?
the 'war on drugs' never stopped me from getting lifted
so emotionally i dont really care about it
on the other hand it causes a lot of very real suffering in poor countries
i dunno
need some talkage


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Re: The Revolution [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2367460 - 02/22/04 12:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

it demands talkage.

every person has, in their minds, a different preception of what their revolution would be. there needs to be unity under common goals.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367466 - 02/22/04 12:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have often thought along similar lines. One can directly attack your own goverment's restrictions, but I would prefer a fresh, from-the-ground-up start.

1. Create a Virtual Country or Virtual World website.

2. Draw up a simple Constitution. (I know that you already put much thought into that.) Not just basic rules, but also how leadership will be determined or donations or membership fees will be used; perhaps the first true democracy with everyone able to vote on every issue equally.

3. Get people to sign up as members, agree to the New Constitution with their primary allegiance to the virtual country and secondary to their geographic country.

4. Create a flag or insignia. Sell to members with the proceeds to go into a special fund. Encourage all members to wear as often as possible to show their allegiance.

5. Associate or get endorsements from other high-minded organizations such as Amnesty International or the November Coalition or GreenPeace...

6. Get media attention.

7. Once you get sufficient members, then start using political clout to change the "real" world.

We should do it!

I nominate the names Eden or SwamiLand. How does that sound?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367468 - 02/22/04 12:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Unity, among all goals... to bring people together :wink:

this will strengthen the better parts of our "global community". At least the proposal to the world that that should be done, would in itself be a major advance.

ive been revolting for quite some time! Glad to see some of you are interested  :cool: .

Im up for a chat. We should start our own :wink: .... see how it goes .


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Re: The Revolution [Re: hevvy_psi]
    #2367470 - 02/22/04 12:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

BRAINSTORM-

Long Term Goals:

Replace current government with a more stable, efficient, and benevolent infrastructure, that views all citizens equally regardless of social status, a government that upholds and respects the free will of its citizens, and a government that is intended for NOTHING BUT serving the populace.

Put the power back into the hands of the people, make major issues that effects our lives an issue that can be voted on, majority rules. The people decide the laws, not the government.

Change the way money is distributed?balance the fields?no 5% having 95% of the money. Money should not equal power. People should not be able to be manipulated by money. Money should be replaced by a better system.

Promote free energy and alternative energy sources. Expose the oil industry.

The Free Will scenario ? you can do whatever you please, as long as it does not interfere with the free will of others.

World peace, unity, and embracing our diversity and differences


Short Term Goals:

Create awareness of the major issues that plague our societies and corrupt our leaders

Promote world peace, unity, and acceptance.

Make a website to put all the issues together in an organized, informative, well researched, and intelligent manner

Get people involved

Get people with influence involved

Create a better and more refined set of goals


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2367477 - 02/22/04 12:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

alliegance to geographic country is unnecessary. this must be global to work. i realize you can't change the world in a day, but simply toppling our government (a lofty goal in and of itself) will only allow another to take its place. i very much like the rest of that proposal.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2367488 - 02/22/04 12:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

wow Swami... that is a really great idea. I like it a lot.

I'm going to start working on a rough draft for a 'constitution' of sorts. Then you all can critique it and we can edit and revise as neccessary. This is going to take a lot of careful planning and deliberate thought... I want to be as precise and error free as possible.

I propose an initial meeting in the shroomery IRC server channel #revolution this friday, 12am EST. if another time is better for everyone else then say so.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367510 - 02/22/04 01:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

majority rules. The people decide the laws, not the government.

This is an idea that has never been really worked out. Not even sure if it is possible. The majority of early Americans (USA) thought slavery was acceptable.
Now there is the debate on Gay Marriage.

How do you resolve issues when the majority wants to limit a minority? This will come up endlessly in more and more subtle forms. Even with a cool, immutable Constitution we have already seen what will happen. People are still people with limiting ideas about what should and should-not be, matter their spiritual nature.

Let's take a minor issue. Your NWG majority wants it be illegal to eat dogs, but cows are OK. Your Indian members want cows protected and your Vietnamese members think it OK to eat dogs and so on... The majority rules and some factions are pissed off, then things are the same as always with squabbles and virtual wars.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367516 - 02/22/04 01:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm in.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367521 - 02/22/04 01:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quick idea: Universal communication needs to be free. Internet, phone, radio waves.. someone putting a price on our right to converse with others only limits us...

Or something. *shrugs* There is a service being provided and either way it would have to be paid for with taxes, I guess... but if money was going to be done away with than maybe something could be done towards this... Hhm....

Well, anyways, education is the MOST IMPORTANT thing here. It is the golden, all-encompassing key here... people need to be raised with a more encompassing understanding of life. A lot of problems would be solved...
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367524 - 02/22/04 01:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Any revolution, no matter how well intentioned, will sooner or later bog down into facism and hate/greed....

But by all means, dont let me stop you...


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2367525 - 02/22/04 01:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think we need a council of wise men. Where in cases like that, they will listen to the complaints and concerns of every faction, and decide the outcome based on what is most beneficial to everyone... based on the foundation of free will.. technically.. gay marriage will not even be an issue..they can do whatever they want, slavery is out of the question... all the laws will be based on the free will factor. If they want to eat dogs, that's their perogitave, as long as they are not eating their neighbors dogs.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367536 - 02/22/04 01:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think we need a council of wise men.

That is currently called "The Supreme Court" or "Congress" and doesn't work all that well. Merely changing the name will do nothing.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2367548 - 02/22/04 01:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No I don't mean a panel of people to judge with the power to rule someone's life.
I mean literally, a council, of wise men. Spiritual gurus who are chosen by the community for their service to other nature, and their benevolent intentions for the good of all, seeking a solution for harmony, in sync with free will. That is not the Supreme Court or Congress, not even close. I'm not talking about changing the name I'm talking about changing the way it all functions internally.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367558 - 02/22/04 01:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

> I'm not talking about changing the name I'm talking about changing the way it all functions internally.

... they are only allowed to make decisions while basking in the afterglow of a DMT trip sort of changes?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367559 - 02/22/04 01:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm down

I've been down

I will always be down.

but I must admit i'm pessimistic as to the success of this mission. Once you've devoted as much time as I have to this shit, it becomes real obvious that trying to change the world is like walkin on a treadmill that keeps going faster and faster...

but yeah if i didnt contribute to the struggle i wouldnt be me.

whatever help you need, let me know


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    #2367561 - 02/22/04 01:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Count me in


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367563 - 02/22/04 01:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Me! ME! I am a wise man! Choose me to be on the council!

Look at the Vatican. There is your council of (power-hungry) wise men! Ego will ALWAYS abound.

I see your ideal, but no way to get there.


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    #2367566 - 02/22/04 01:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

then what is the way? wiser men and women than we (i can only assume...but why..?) have pndered these concepts, and their ramifications to no avail...


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Re: The Revolution [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2367575 - 02/22/04 01:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

no amount of pessimism will dim my spirits. there is always new fuel for my fire, just when it starts to die down... I throw in a log that turns it into a raging inferno. I am now an unstoppable machine, and I'm on a mission from God (I AM)
This is the reason I was born into this world. My whole life leading up to this has prepared me for this, and I am now ready. I know exactly what I will have to face, and I am not scared in the least. I have faced Satan himself and I will take on Bush and the entire cabal by myself if I have to, but I would prefer if you guys were with me :wink:


... they are only allowed to make decisions while basking in the afterglow of a DMT trip sort of changes?

Now you're thinking!


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2367587 - 02/22/04 01:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

See but Swami you are missing my point. The wise men would have no real power, they would just be like spiritual guides that people come to when they have a problem.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367589 - 02/22/04 01:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

sometimes i look at the efforts of groupls like the ELF, and it makes me want to be an ecoterrorist. but i can't help but think that that isn't the solution to our environmental problem.

this may or may not be relevent, but harmony with our environment, is essential, i think. i am currently living contrary to that idea. i would like to B the change i would like to see in the world.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: hevvy_psi]
    #2367598 - 02/22/04 01:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes that is another major topic we need to promote... harmony with nature...and creating technology that is as such...it is VERY essential


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2367608 - 02/22/04 01:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ok so Swami lets just say you're right for a second and there is no possible way we can reach that goal.... what is the alternative?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367673 - 02/22/04 02:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A wonderful idea indeed! Is such a thing possible? I'd like to think that someday it would be. So count me in as well, my friends! :laugh:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367674 - 02/22/04 02:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I thought about starting a revolution too. But now that we have a true leader to guide us...

...I will stand by your side.

I play music. I love music. Music is a way to unite people.
I will talk with my band to compose some songs about those themes.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Le_Canard]
    #2367690 - 02/22/04 02:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

...anything is possible.. if we put our hearts, minds, and will into it.. there is no limit to our potential. What is most important is that we have a clear vision of our goals, and that we do everything possible to reach those goals. We cannot back down, even when intimidated (and we will be intimidated)

Snape... music is also my passion. There will no doubt be many ties to music in this movement. My band will also be writing songs for this.

We'll need a name for this. Let's brainstorm... The Free Will Movement. The Sovereign Human Organization...


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367696 - 02/22/04 02:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

All we must do to accomplish each of these goals is simply decide them for ourselves. Then, we need only to make it clear to others through example why they should make the same decisions. Swami's idea is an excellent means of achieving this.

Although it doesn't seem so, it doesn't take much to reshape the entire globe. More important than numbers, media exposure and so forth is a simple, unshakable sense of confidence.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367699 - 02/22/04 02:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hehe, I could change the name of my song "God Is No Match" to "God Is No Match For The Free Will Movement". :lol:

Edit: Or "God Is No Match for the S.H.O.". :wink:
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    #2367707 - 02/22/04 02:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm in too..

the free will movement sounds good but we'll need a catchy abbreviation too lol F.W.M. doesn't really roll off the tongue..

simple things like that matter a lot when it comes to someone remembering us


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Ped]
    #2367708 - 02/22/04 02:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Those are my sentiments exactly, Ped. I agree 150%
Unshakable confidence..you nailed it on the head right there.
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367774 - 02/22/04 02:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I support this in every aspect. Count me in.
It IS time to start doing something.
There's no better time than right now.

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    #2367779 - 02/22/04 02:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Seriously, though, I am down. I'll contribute in any way I can, just as long as I get to continue on with my music too. hehe.

Its something I've been thinking about recently, service to others vs. service to self.. I've been carefully watching my actions and seeing just how egotistical I am...

It doesn't really feel right only fufilling my wants. I can always "justify" the music thing as getting an oppurtunity to communicate things that need to be said, and everything, and I really do intend to do that, but it is also so very self-fufilling..

So I offer my services, whatever I can do I'll do. I feel as if I have something to offer... its time to start offering it! :laugh: I will pursue it with my full focus and intensity.. the only way that change will come about is by fucking changing! hehe
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367785 - 02/22/04 02:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I may not post often, but you can count me in. 

This community seems like a very obvious place to start rounding up people and brainstorming ideas.  People from all over the world are present, many with different internal connections in the system.  I could almost see a movement like this becoming almost like fight club's project mayhem, an on-going project kept low-key until the foundation is basically impenetrable.  Once a good foundation is established, spreading the good word on larger scales (media) would probably be significantly easier. 

Maybe it would be worth suggesting throwing some info about this in your CD jackets for those of us who are musicians.  A website is definitely a good idea, the only problem I see is getting the people who actually need to break out of their shell to become interested in reading about this stuff. I do like the logo or flag idea, however if one of the plans is to dissolve the boundaries between countries using a flag kind of seems a little contradictory.  I don't know.  This isn't an movement for a new cult, or a religion, some people may have to be well aware of this, in order to better hold their interest when being presented with new ideas.

Something to think about regarding the planet's aswell as our future would be promoting a good hemp industry.

Once the ball starts rolling, it's going to pick up speed, and it' not going to stop.      :ooo:  :smile:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367795 - 02/22/04 02:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Snape... music is also my passion. There will no doubt be many ties to music in this movement. My band will also be writing songs for this.





If we ever organize a big music festival here in Montreal (Idea that's been floating around for a while), I'd be honored if your band accepted to play with us.

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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367832 - 02/22/04 02:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Will this be a violent revolution? Cuz I'm a conscientious objector.


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    #2367835 - 02/22/04 02:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Will this be a violent revolution?  Cuz I'm a conscientious objector.




I don't think so.... Violence is not a good way to solve things at all.

I'll be violent in my music, that's for goddamn sure. :wink:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Snape]
    #2367847 - 02/22/04 02:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree- violence is definitely out.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367870 - 02/22/04 02:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm in.
Can we drink koolaide at the meetings? j/k  :nut:

The only reason I think this could work is if enough people were organized into this, not just random people standing on street corners yelling the truth.
People will not want to give up their system easily, even if they are being supressed.  It's easier to ignore than to affect any real change.  Hell listening is even hard for some. :nonono:
I'm not trying to dampen spirits, just typing what I'm thinking...  How will we convince, educate, or make people understand why we are doing this if they can continue living their life and go to work, feed the kids and have 2 days off work every 5 with the current system and never have sparks of independant thought?
\edit: Confidence will help this


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Re: The Revolution [Re: silversoul7]
    #2367886 - 02/22/04 02:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No...violence is not an option. This is a peaceful revolution.


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    #2367896 - 02/22/04 02:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

violence is not only not an option, it is contrary to the ideas and goals for which we strive, i believe.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: hevvy_psi]
    #2367906 - 02/22/04 02:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

One thing we will have to be ready for is the government already in control... they aren't going to want to give their power up. They like to silence people before they have the oppurtunity to spread the message far and wide.... damn them. :mad:
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    #2367935 - 02/22/04 03:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe they can keep a portion of their beloved power in a sense, and atleast drastically change the way they use (abuse) it. You are right, they are not going to even want to consider giving up their current position, evidently not even for the benefit of mankind and the planet we are destroying.


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    #2367943 - 02/22/04 03:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes violence is completely contrary to the goals we are striving for.

fireworks... don't worry about the government. If they're gonna mess with anyone, it's gonna be me, seeing as how I live in their backyard... and they already have..I do not fear them, and they cannot intimidate me to silence. In fact we might be able to reach a compromise.


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    #2367974 - 02/22/04 03:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Cool.  Then count me in. :cool:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2367977 - 02/22/04 03:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well, three more months and I'm back to the Land of the Free.  :rolleyes:

I'm willing to do whatever I need to, even if I have to die.... as long as I knew it was for something good. hehe

But ja, I see this movement as inevitable. Things are severely imbalanced right now and there is going to be a gigantic push to restore the balance.. it is a comfort knowing that there is a Universal force and energy acting through us. :laugh:
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Ped]
    #2367989 - 02/22/04 03:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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All me must do to accomplish each of these goals is simply decide them for ourselves. Then, we need only to make it clear to others through example why they should make the same decisions.

[...]

More important than numbers, media exposure and so forth is a simple, unshakable sense of confidence.


I make every effort to dispell myths that people may have picked up along the way. My mother is a good example, as she was buying into much of the propaganda perpetuated by the government in order to accomplish its own ideals. The most important thing we can do is reach out and try to educate those who may have been misled, or in the least, offer them a different perspective to ponder (and of course drop many supporting arguments and examples to fuel their change of mind).

A good point was made that no governing body can truly be impartial or 'wise' - but on the converse, a revolution of the scale proposed would likely need some sort of driving force or group of people to manage the movement. Sure the force could simply be the desire to literally live free, but I fear that some may go about manifesting this desire through inappropriate means unless there is excellent communication and discussion as to the group's objectives and ideals. This to me exhibits the need for some sort of governing body to be in the position to distrobute these ideals after they have been agreed upon. The world website idea could perhaps suffice to do this, but of course there will need to be someone controlling the website.

Swami's ideas are great, but they will take a whole lot of work from dedicated personnel to see that everyone is in fact given an equal say in operations. Media attention is a huge factor, but with the ways of our national censors it may be difficult to gain the exposure we need in this arena. However, for what it is worth, I'm in - feel free to call on me for any assistence you may need as I stand by the motives for this revolution and would be willing to dedicate a piece of my life towards it.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: geokills]
    #2368003 - 02/22/04 03:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Geokills would make a great leader/wiseman/etc. :thumbup:
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Re: The Revolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2368014 - 02/22/04 03:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am feeling so very good about this..it can't be wrong.
We are working for the betterment of all
If we leave this world a better place then we found it, we will have done our jobs

I need some time to think about things, organize my thoughts.. etc.
but I shall return later tonight, with a renewed sense of mission

I just want to thank you all for just being willing to be part of this.
I know in my heart that if we go forward with this, we will provoke a positive change.

Peace be with you all!
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    #2368023 - 02/22/04 03:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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    #2368027 - 02/22/04 03:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"For I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostlity towards all forms of tyranny over the mind of man."
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(fat lot of good it did that nigga)


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    #2368111 - 02/22/04 03:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

See but Swami you are missing my point.

Not at all. Who will be wise enough to choose the wise men? Will it not then be a position of authority (and hence desirable to ego)?

I believe NO SYSTEM will ever work the way you envision. It will take a level of world-wide maturity which is not yet present. The problem is not in the structure, but in the components.


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    #2368117 - 02/22/04 03:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I can understand that... so we start with the little things and work our way up. But I do think that we need a solid set of long term goals, if not to replace the system..to at least improve it.


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    #2368122 - 02/22/04 03:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

humans are not inherently flawed. they are simply living the wrong story.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: blink]
    #2368124 - 02/22/04 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Can we drink koolaide at the meetings? j/k

If you want to, but only the yukky Grape Flavor and we all have to get one of those funny haircuts to symbolize unity.


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    #2368126 - 02/22/04 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A song comes to mind

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are erased, by-the-bye
And the partying on the left
Is now partying on the right
And their beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Git up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2368128 - 02/22/04 03:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I WON'T GET A HAIRCUT!!! :mad:


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    #2368151 - 02/22/04 03:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That's "Won't get fooled again" by The Who

Right?


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    #2368153 - 02/22/04 03:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes. correct.


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    #2368167 - 02/22/04 03:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

*slap slap* Try to stay focused, people! BTW I sent out for pizza to help in our brainstorming.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2368191 - 02/22/04 04:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm skeptical about what you guys are going to accomplish. Lots of enthusiasm, but if you guys move forward with this at all I'll be impressed. I would think you guys need some well-educated highly intelligent people to give this thing momentum. It'll be interesting to see if you guys just hang around being idealistic or if you actually manage to make some change.

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    #2368209 - 02/22/04 04:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you want to start a revolution, get enough people to stop paying their taxes and see which government programs loose funding first. When the money for Welfare starts dwindling, then you'll see some social change.


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    #2368252 - 02/22/04 04:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You are right swami, and thats why i posted my first response. It is important to bring people together, create a new global culture. Im not telling people to deny the past, but to embrace the future. But given the way the world is now, there is no way to prepose such an idea to the world. They first must see that in fact, a better world could be accomplished.

Through bringing people together, you could achieve somethign that has not happened since the conception of our people. Whether we were all together at one time is a scientific dispute, but we do know that our people have been fighting one another for thousands of years.

They have been fighting for control of land, for control of a system they thought was best. But in order to save it, they fought against anyone else.

How do you build a system that is resistance to tyranny?

Maybe its in what Swami just said, maturity. When will the masses learn to think for themselves instead of listening to what the media provides for them to think? What People tell them whats the best thing to wear... What houses to live in?

How can you teach people self governance?

Another problem we face as finding this global community of peace and harmony, is the necessary physical infrastructure to accomodate such a change.

This is where i have decided i want to physically work.

A new architecture, designed to bring people socially together. Some building i have "seen", would evoke such harmony... and beauty.

Encourage people to wake up, and really take a cold hard look at themselves, their actions, and the world they live in. And see if the things that are going on, should still be going on.

I think this community... the people who have posted here care so much about such a thing... but those people who dont have anything to eat, or who are on a battlefield dont have the oppurunity to experience such a thing. So i think its important to keep in mind who and how you would get such a message or idea to so many people.


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    #2368279 - 02/22/04 04:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The revolution has already begun, it starts in the mind of you and I.
It is building on its own, and over time it will take shape without even trying.
I really like this post, because it shows that it is happening.  :laugh:
I support you fully my brethren.

May the Psychedelic Alliance form and reign supreme.  :thumbup:


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    #2368298 - 02/22/04 04:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I can handle the legal aspects!! Let's go!!


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2368302 - 02/22/04 04:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
*slap slap* Try to stay focused, people! BTW I sent out for pizza to help in our brainstorming.




Make mine sushi and champagne, please.


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    #2368322 - 02/22/04 04:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I admit, I'm skeptical about all of this. Your society is utopian, but not realistic. People will continue to put their personal interestes first, as they have since the beginning of time.

Leaders are required for any functional country/group/assembly of people. With Leadership comes power and ego. People are naturally drawn to these, thus creating competition for the position. With competition comes treachery and lies. I see no way around it on the scale that you strive to achieve.


But If there's any time for a revolution, it's now. Bush has created massive unrest within the country, especially with the youth. Not since Vietnam has there been such public outcry. Kids are becoming interest in politics and world events because they want reform. You have millions upon millions of upset people that are looking for a revolution. Give it to them.

Just don't go the way of the hippies. While their movement promoted peace, love, and unity, their actions more often promoted self-gratification and excess. What good they could have done was clouded over with drugs and sex. Don't sway from your initial intentions.

I would also suggest you avoid a cult-like image. You'll need media attention if you want to get anywhere, but it needs to be positive. If everyone thinks you're about to drink the punch, they'll think you're whackos. On that note, also avoid an image like PETA's or even Green Peace's. If your push is too extreme, you'll alienate the majority.

Keep the dream alive and push things forward. Even if you fall short of uniting the entire world, you could unite a smaller group that really could make a difference, at least for each other and what they touch.

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Re: The Revolution [Re: spasticSofa]
    #2368337 - 02/22/04 04:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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    #2368379 - 02/22/04 04:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i cant offer too much, except my opinions and my ability to find lots of open minded people. i wish student was still a member of these boards, he's been waiting for this for a long time. ill give him a call tonight.

we need a plan. goals are good, followed by implementation of these goals. virtual country/allegiance is not a bad idea. non-geographical based citizinship to a recognized 'virtual country', that would key i think.

but then the problem arises of how the governments of countries we physically reside in would be allowed to regulate us as partial citizens.

media attention is easy to get. just gotta ask them, or do something they cant ignore.

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    #2368384 - 02/22/04 04:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You wish for a revolution?


Alright..


So it begins, and goes to as far as you want to take it.


I recommend, though, that you hold temporarily with the unleashing of the plan.


Many are not ready.


Like well written song, you must wait until it is time to play the part.



I fully support the stage of development at present: The Plan.


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    #2368521 - 02/22/04 05:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm definatly all for it, but, what is to be done??


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    #2368534 - 02/22/04 05:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

These threads always remind me of Donald Pleasance's character in THX-1138 when he's in jail preaching.  :grin:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2368535 - 02/22/04 05:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I would prefer a fresh, from-the-ground-up start.

A revolution tends to go against the existing flow.

Once the existing building blocks are torn, they will need to be re-arranged; the blocks themselves will not be new, their new form, however, will be of benefit.






Concerning harmony with the environment..


I have studied some environmental ethics in the past. I have come accross two which I believe should be amalgamated. Seperately, I find them to be two halves of a larger whole.


I propose a union of two environmental concepts: those of Deep Ecology and those of Ecofeminism.


The amalgamation can be 'tweeked' to go with the times by having an evolving property to support the changes that are to come.





I also agree that some sort of funding will become a necessary asset. I do not say this to be materialistic; but in order to fully involve one's self, family must be fully looked after. That is the way of the world that we live in at present.

If a different system is implemented in the future, that is fine.. However, it will need to integrate itself into the existing structure in order to survive its infancy.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Frog]
    #2368539 - 02/22/04 05:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I can handle the legal aspects!! Let's go!!

As long as I can be in charge of the psycho-sexual aspects. BTW would a harem (or hareem) be legal under the new law?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Swami]
    #2368548 - 02/22/04 05:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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I can handle the legal aspects!! Let's go!!

As long as I can be in charge of the psycho-sexual aspects. BTW would a harem (or hareem) be legal under the new law?




I think it would depend on the laws that are in place. 

In a harem, do you marry each concubine?  If not, I think you could have a harem, unless there's a law against living with more than one person of the opposite sex.  If so, if there is a law against polygamy, I don't think you do it. 

If you give me and Shroomism a lot of money, maybe we can draft a law making the new world "harem" friendly.  :grin:


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    #2368559 - 02/22/04 05:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Shoot, just keeping one woman is a job. A whole harem of 'em would put a man in an early grave! :biggrin:


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    #2368601 - 02/22/04 06:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm all for this and will help in any way I can. The most important factor is living our lives as examples and upholding Free Will in every situation we come across. Let it begin as a snowball rolling down a hill. It will gain momentum and size as it reaches more people on the way down.

It's time to let go of our limiting beliefs. Revolution is possible. The time for fear, control, and manipulation is behind us. This is the energy of the Old World that will soon be left behind. Change is inevitable.


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    #2368627 - 02/22/04 06:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm in, but I have to say that toppling government (among other things) is a rather ambitious start.  We need to organize a group of people working toward one (realistic) goal and go from there.  I would love to see the war on drugs ended, but even that seems a bit far fetched...

I don't know where I'm going with this.  Lets start a million (thousand? couple-hundred?) shroomerite march and go get blazed in front of the white house right before Bush loses the election this fall.  :evil:  Now there's a good start to some good change.  :laugh:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Frog]
    #2368632 - 02/22/04 06:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Frog said:
I can handle the legal aspects!!  Let's go!!




Did I happen to mention that I argue a lot?  :grin:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Frog]
    #2368723 - 02/22/04 06:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I started a constitution....
it's not exactly perfect but whatever good start

We, the people of Earth, in order to form a more harmonious balance between nations, establish protocols to protect the human rights and free will of all people, to insure for global peace, provide education to all citizens, promote spiritual growth, to protect and the preserve the planet and all of nature, and to provide for the equal and fair distribution of resources, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the people of Earth.


Article 1

The people of Earth shall protect the natural laws of free thought and free will. No laws may be passed that interfere with the free will or human rights of any person. Free thinking is also protected. The written and spoken word can be freely expressed in any format. The law of Free Will states that if you harm no one, you may do as you please. It is against nature to interfere with free will and this right shall be protected.

Article 2

Every person on the planet shall be considered a citizen of Earth, and equal rights will be given to everyone. All citizens may move freely to any part of the planet Earth or other planets without hindrance. National borders are for mapping and historical reasons only, for all people are citizens of Earth and can move freely in any manner.

Article 3

No law may be passed which endangers any species of life or harms the essence of nature, including the oceans, rivers, forests, and atmosphere of Earth. Any citizen who violates the planet or nature shall be educated until they understand the importance of living in harmony with nature and creation.

Article 4

No form of energy shall be used on Earth that damages the atmosphere, oceans, or forests of nature. No energy shall be used that damages the thinking or health of Earth citizens. All energies shall be free to citizens. No chemical or toxins of any kind are to be used as energy sources unless completely harmless to life. Field generators, solar power, and tachyon energy converters shall be the primary source of energy on Earth, for they are free, safe, and come in unlimited supply from the universe. Citizens will be encouraged to come forth with inventions or ideas which can better the quality of life on Earth.


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    #2368731 - 02/22/04 07:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Of course, each of those is subject to interpretation.  What I would do is start a thread, with each of those as the topic, and let the fun begin...  :grin:

Also, there may be other topics that someone might come up with. 

Those who come up with an clause that is to be added can be on the Council with Shroomism.


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    #2368739 - 02/22/04 07:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

there are degrees of connectivity in what people do, andh how it effects other people...especially regarding our ecosystems...


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    #2368745 - 02/22/04 07:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

not a bad start shroomism. :thumbup:


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    #2368795 - 02/22/04 07:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"So who is with me?!?!"

weekly meeting?? great idea!!!  count me in. :grin:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2368804 - 02/22/04 07:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A few problems I see here:

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Article 2

Every person on the planet shall be considered a citizen of Earth, and equal rights will be given to everyone. All citizens may move freely to any part of the planet Earth or other planets without hindrance. National borders are for mapping and historical reasons only, for all people are citizens of Earth and can move freely in any manner.



If we got rid of borders, would that mean there would be one world government? Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and I can't think of many positions more powerful than "ruler of earth." Even if it's not just one person ruling, the people in charge would likely become absolutely corrupted. Also, how would this be accomplished? No nation is going to voluntarily abdicate power and get rid of its borders.

Quote:

Article 3

No law may be passed which endangers any species of life or harms the essence of nature, including the oceans, rivers, forests, and atmosphere of Earth. Any citizen who violates the planet or nature shall be educated until they understand the importance of living in harmony with nature and creation.



Who is to interpret what "the essence of nature" is? Also, are you proposing that we go back to a hunter-gatherer society? Because otherwise I don't see how we could survive without having some sort of negative impact on the environment.

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No form of energy shall be used on Earth that damages the atmosphere, oceans, or forests of nature. No energy shall be used that damages the thinking or health of Earth citizens. All energies shall be free to citizens. No chemical or toxins of any kind are to be used as energy sources unless completely harmless to life. Field generators, solar power, and tachyon energy converters shall be the primary source of energy on Earth, for they are free, safe, and come in unlimited supply from the universe. Citizens will be encouraged to come forth with inventions or ideas which can better the quality of life on Earth.



Even solar power, widely considered the most environmentally-friendly energy source, has some negative impact on the environment.

You can't have civilization without having some impact on the environment. You just have to calculate how much of an impact the environment can sustain.


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    #2368810 - 02/22/04 07:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

just out of curiosity, whats wrong with being a hunter gatherer?


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    #2368813 - 02/22/04 07:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

1. Defend and uphold the universal rights of free will, free thought, and free choice.
2. Point out, uncover, and expose acts that are against free will
5. Take back our rights as sovereign humans, we must reclaim our power

Now this isn't a perfect set of guidelines.. but it is a good start. Basically I want to be able to exist as a sovereign human with free will. My mission statement is the wiccan rede - and if it harms none, do as ye will.

sounds a lot like what the founders of this nation set out to do 240 years ago.

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    #2368859 - 02/22/04 07:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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just out of curiosity, whats wrong with being a hunter gatherer?



Nothing. It would just take a lot of getting used to.


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    #2368883 - 02/22/04 07:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe we should start with this country before we take over the whole world???


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    #2368898 - 02/22/04 07:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There would be no one ruler. Let's say representatives from each country... representatives shall be in the amount of the average salary of Earth and are subject to all laws of Earth without special privileges. Representatives shall only consider the welfare of the common citizen, and should their services stray from the common good, they may be elected out of office at any time by the citizens.

Corruption can be avoided. The system just has to be in place so that it works properly.

Who is to interpret what "the essence of nature" is?

the essence of nature is everything natural. and no I am not proposing we go back to a hunter/gatherer society, that is impossible unless we destroy ourselves and all technology. I am proposing that we begin to utilize and create technology to flow in harmony with nature rather than against it. We need to learn how to work with the Earth, as it is, we are raping it, and that wont fly.



You can't have civilization without having some impact on the environment. You just have to calculate how much of an impact the environment can sustain.


What you mean mining resources? There will always be that, I'm focused mainly on the trillions of gallons of oil that are being sucked out of the Earth and burned into the atmosphere. We create technologies that produce free energy, and do no harm.. metals can be re-used..there is already enough shit dug out of the earth, we need better recycling technology. New materials will be developed also.


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    #2368901 - 02/22/04 07:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

just out of curiosity, whats wrong with being a hunter gatherer?

try it sometime.


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    #2368933 - 02/22/04 07:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

alright then... I call to order a preliminary meeting to occur monday feb 23 at 11pm EST..in Shroomery IRC #revolution


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    #2368943 - 02/22/04 07:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i'm contemplating it.


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    #2368945 - 02/22/04 08:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

how do i go about getting there...?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: hevvy_psi]
    #2368966 - 02/22/04 08:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you can connect straight from the main shroomery.org page
simply click on community tab and then shroomery chat
once in type /join #revolution

you can access the chat through mIRC but I am unsure of the ports and such..someone else can inform you


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    #2368998 - 02/22/04 08:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

good ideas.

some things to look at though.

what happens though when our cheap oil supply runs out. sure the earth has a whole lot of oil,but what matters is the oil that is easily acessable.  that is running our fast, as quite possibly within the next 10 years. sure we can use solar panels, but we need oil to power those machines.  ee what I'm saying. shit will be hitting the fan when it's too expensive to go to work because oil costs so much. When oil costs are get too high, agriculture will become expensive, and yeah, food prices will go up.  one can imagine how much we rely on oil. I mean if top geologists are saying this

"According to Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham, "America faces a major energy supply crisis over the next two decades. The failure to meet this challenge will threaten our nation's economic prosperity, compromise our national security, and literally alter the way we lead our lives."

"George W. Bush's Energy Adviser, Matthew Simmons, has acknowledged that "The situation is desperate. This is the world's biggest serious question.""  it's about peak oil

What is "Peak Oil"?

All oil production follows a bell curve, whether in an individual field or on the planet as a whole. On the upslope of the curve production costs are significantly lower than on the downslope when extra effort (expense) is required to extract oil from reservoirs that are emptying out.

Put simply: oil is abundant and cheap on the upslope, scarce and expensive on the downslope.

For the past 150 years, we have been moving up the upslope of the global oil production curve. "Peak Oil" is the industry term for the top of the curve. It's often referred to as "Hubbert's Peak" a reference to King Hubbert, the geologist who discovered that oil production follows a bell curve.

Once we pass the peak, we will go down the very steep downslope. The further we go down the slope, the more it costs to produce oil, and its cousin, natural gas.

In practical terms, this means that if 2000 was the year of Peak Oil, worldwide oil production in the year 2020 will be the same as it was in 1980. However, the world's population in 2020 will be both much larger (appoximately twice as big) and much more industrialized than it was in 1980. Consequently, worldwide demand for oil will outpace the worldwide production of oil by a significant margin.

The more demand for oil exceeds production of oil, the higher the price goes.

Ultimately, the question is not "When will we run out of oil?" but rather, "When will we run out of cheap oil?"

btw, go to the politics forum and look at enotake's post.  if we are to get together this problem will show how much strength humanity really has not to mention some good rubttles with regads to solar and other forms of energy since we have hit this point.

I ask you shroomism, what about love???  fireworks mentioned service to others. vs. service to self.  we will have to decide this and then form a really good base.  a solid beginning is what we need, and we need love to help our cause grow.

Can humans learn to put down weapons?

and the money thing, I'm not too keen on that.  the money isn't based on much anyways.  And who's currency are you going to use. really though it's the ideas in peoples heads that would have to change.  so far it looks like the majorioty is out for themselves.

we must construct ways to reach out to others and in mass quantities :smile:

this is great BTW shroomism  :rocket:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: kaiowas]
    #2369075 - 02/22/04 08:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

many experts say many things, and many times its dependent upon the people for whom they work....


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    #2369087 - 02/22/04 08:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A whole harem of 'em would put a man in an early grave!

An ordinary man.  :wink:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: hevvy_psi]
    #2369187 - 02/22/04 08:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I see what you are saying and agree, but it is something to think about.  I was really using it because I think humans will have to do without energy for a while if we were to impliment new forms of making energy.  it's jsut that we rely so heavily on it.  it's just one of the many things to discuss :laugh:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: kaiowas]
    #2369232 - 02/22/04 08:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's all about the love, man.
Our base should be the service-to-others.
Our mission should be uphold free will, spread love, understanding, acceptance..

Our mission statement should be something like

We are humans of Earth that are dedicated to forming a balance and unity between all nations of Earth, to promote the peace and welfare of every nation, ensure that free will and human rights are observed and protected, preserve and care for the planet, nature, and all living things, and promote the education of all citizens.

Love, acceptance, and diversity. If anyone is going to put down their weapons those are the first things they should hear, see, know, feel, and understand. That should be our top priority at all times.. to spread the love.

It's infectious, you know..

As to the oil problem..obviously, it's a big problem. Alternative energy sources must be utilized if we are to continue on. There is just the problem of the oil industry and their stranglehold. But these are issues which need to develop later.. right now we must focus on creating a clear and focused objective.. a solid set of achievable goals, and stay as organized as possible. I hope we get a lot of people at the meeting tommorow night so that we can get the ball rolling in discussion and brainstorming.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2369244 - 02/22/04 09:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

*ensure


i'll be the revolutionary spellcheck.


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    #2369252 - 02/22/04 09:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

heh


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2369278 - 02/22/04 09:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

nothin will ever change. People are too blissfully ignorant of the world around them and T.Vs are just gonna get more and more popular and people are gonna get stupider and stupider. Then one day we'll blow ourselves up and get to start over.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: shroom_muncher]
    #2369286 - 02/22/04 09:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I believe that if enough people get together and start working on it, it could happen. I don't know if it could be started globally, but it would be fun to give it a try on a local level.


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    #2369287 - 02/22/04 09:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"nothin will ever change"

things change constantly.  just one idea and get many things started, case in point this post of shroomism's. 

change is good  :grin:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Frog]
    #2369339 - 02/22/04 09:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

There's nothing local about the shroomery. The internet is already global.

If things don't change.. they wont change... but that doesn't mean I'm not going to give it my best damn effort, and I have a lot of energy and willpower. And I'm just one person.

but well in less then 12 hours this thread got more views then the S&P rules thread has in the past 8 months. maybe there's hope yet :smirk:


For the meeting tomorrow (monday) night:

11pm eastern time - 8pm for you west coasters
to connect simply go to the shroomery.org main page and click on community, then shroomery chat
it should take you right in, once connected type /join #revolution and you will be in the room
for connecting through an irc client, simply put /server shroomery.org , then /join #revolution

we will discuss all the plans and hopefully have an efficient exchange where we can create a mission statement and all that fun stuff.

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    #2369384 - 02/22/04 09:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

what time would that be in my neck of the woods? its the 23rd already here. I'm interested to see what goes down.what time is the shroomery server set to?


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    #2369420 - 02/22/04 09:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Can we get pm reminders on this one? Would that be too complicated? I will try to remember as much as i can. I would really want to be there for the discussion.

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Re: The Revolution [Re: DestruKtiKon]
    #2369422 - 02/22/04 09:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

let me see...if my calculations are correct it would be 5am your time?
figure it's just after 9:30 eastern time right now.. so in 25 and a half hours... that's when it would be


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Re: The Revolution [Re: shroom_muncher]
    #2369451 - 02/22/04 09:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The single biggest obstacle, possibly bigger than overcoming the corrupt government/banking/power structure in place, is convincing people that global change on this scale is possible. Most people just don't believe it. As long as people believe it is possible, it is possible. That is the key factor in all of this.

Some of us who say we are all for a revolution truly don't believe it yet also. If someone were to offer you the chance to wake up tomorrow in a utopia, would you be able to live in it without feeling guilty or that something is wrong? Many people will have a feeling that something doesn't feel quite right, because the world as they know it now, is "normal." Many people are afraid of a utopia simply because they wouldn't know what to do with themselves if they were there. Our society as we know it is the only reality they've experienced, so they can't fathom a reality without war, slavery, and suffering on a massive scale. This is what I'm talking about with limiting beliefs. People will limit the outcome of something because they simply don't believe something so great is possible.


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    #2369524 - 02/22/04 10:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

keep this in mind:
-almost all nations have an army, how can we replace a government with this? think about the actual infrastructure of them and the time/land/money/people that goes into them. you might be able to persuade a country to disband or hand over control of a military... but what are you going to do with the thousands of people who are part of it?

-some nations have nuclear weapons, who says where and how these will be dealt with? Persuading a government or those few who are in power to hand over a nuke will be tremendously difficult even with the support of it's citizens.

-there are religious areas in the world that will not want their country being controlled or counciled by an outside organization/country. there are lots of arabs who are expressing their feelings toward intervention right now.. and have been for many years (previous to bush)

-and once our organization becomes large and has enough funding, will we begin to help out those in need? such as homeless children, starving people, etc. this kind of action will prove to the world we have good intentions and also gain more support.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2369546 - 02/22/04 10:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
One thing we will have to be ready for is the government already in control... they aren't going to want to give their power up. They like to silence people before they have the oppurtunity to spread the message far and wide.... damn them. :mad:
Peace.




i dont think GOVT is a problem , its millions of right wing conservatives that you gotta worry about ...

But i dont mean to discourage you, i say go for it and good luck, i will be joining you as soon as i re-empower my own self.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2369553 - 02/22/04 10:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

>>There's nothing local about the shroomery. The internet is already global.

LOL!! Good point!


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2369569 - 02/22/04 10:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think i'll be around then, although I am having some acid tonite so who knows  :eyemouth:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2370075 - 02/23/04 12:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's been done. Check out the creation of the United States of America.

No harm in redoing it, though. Jefferson was of the opinion that government would have to be overthrown every twenty years or so regardless of how airtight a constitution a country had.

The best approach would be to adopt the original constitution of the US, but correct its flaws. The two most dangerous ones were giving the government the right to coin the legal tender of the country and giving it the right to regulate interstate commerce.

You'll also have to decide which of your goals and/or principles will hold primacy, since some of the ones you've listed make others impossible. I'm presuming after reading this that your most important one is the primacy of free will: that all must be left free to act as they choose providing their actions don't infringe on the rights of others to act as they choose. If this is the case, you'll have to discard some of the other goals.

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Re: The Revolution [Re: Phred]
    #2370163 - 02/23/04 12:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The two most dangerous ones were giving the government the right to coin the legal tender of the country and giving it the right to regulate interstate commerce.



Well, if we got rid of borders, as Shroomism suggested, then I don't think there'd be such a thing as interstate commerce. I don't know about coining legal tender. I don't know too much about economics, but I think they added that to the Constitution because of problems that some of the states were having under the Articles of Confederation.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2370169 - 02/23/04 12:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i would like to be included in this revolution... a few things bother me though...

at the meeting tomorrow, who is going to be organizing everything?
it seems to me that with all these people wanting to be heard, everyone will end up shouting at everyone else to shut up, and the discussion will develop into a full-scale war. i suggest we take turns speaking? possibly in an alphabetic order or something similar? i dunno, maybe you have this all figured out already.

anything i can do to help (besides spreading love, which i try to do anyways) let me know


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    #2370216 - 02/23/04 01:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I suggest you all read or re-read the last chapter of foods.

Here is an excerpt. This section focuses directly on the Drug War side of the revolution. :smile:
I look at Terence as a psychedelic prophet, Food Of The Gods is my New Testament.
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A MODEST PROPOSAL

A drug policy respectful of democratic values would aim to educate people to make informed
choices based on their own needs and ideals. Such a simple prescription is necessary and sadly
overdue.

A master plan for seriously seeking to come to terms with America's drug problems might
explore a number of options, including the following.
1. A 200 percent federal tax should be imposed on tobacco and alcohol. All government
subsidies for tobacco production should be ended. Warnings on packaging should be
strengthened. A 20 percent federal sales tax should be levied on sugar and sugar substitutes,
and all supports for sugar production should be ended. Sugar packages should also carry
warnings, and sugar should be a mandatory topic in school nutrition curricula.
2. All forms of cannabis should be legalized and a 200 percent federal sales tax imposed on
cannabis products. Information as to the THC content of the product and current conclusions
regarding its impact on health should be printed on the packaging.
3. International Monetary Fund and World Bank lending should be withdrawn from countries
that produce hard drugs. Only international inspection and certification that a country is in
compliance would restore loan eligibility.
4. Strict gun control must apply to both manufacture and possession. It is the unrestricted
availability of firearms that has made violent crime and the drug abuse problem so intertwined.
5. The legality of nature must be recognized, so that all plants are legal to grow and possess.
6. Psychedelic therapy should be made legal and insurance coverage extended to include it.
7. Currency and banking regulations need to be strengthened. Presently bank collusion with
criminal cartels allows large-scale money laundering to take place.
8. There is an immediate need for massive support for scientific research into all aspects of
substance use and abuse and an equally massive commitment to public education.
9. One year after implementation of the above, all drugs still illegal in the United States
should be decrimi-
nalized. The middleman is eliminated, the government can sell drugs at cost plus 200 percent,
and those monies can be placed in a special fund to pay the social, medical, and educational
costs of the legalization program. Money from taxes on alcohol, tobacco, sugar, and can-nabis
can also be placed in this fund. Also following this one-year period, pardons should be given
to all offenders in drug cases that did not involve firearms or felonious assault.
If these proposals seem radical, it is only because we have drifted so far from the ideals that
were originally most American. At the foundation of the American theory of social polity is
the notion that our inalienable rights include "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." To
pretend that the right to the pursuit of happiness does not include the right to experiment with
psychoactive plants and substances is to make an argument that is at best narrow and at worst
ignorant and primitive. The only religions that are anything more than the traditionally
sanctioned moral codes are religions of trance, dance ecstasy, and intoxication by
hallucinogens. The living fact of the mystery of being is there, and it is an inalienable religious
right to be able to approach it on one's own terms. A civilized society would enshrine that
principle in law.
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Re: The Revolution [Re: skoomaguitarist]
    #2370250 - 02/23/04 01:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

if there is tons of people at the meeting tomorrow, there is a chat function that silences everyone except for those who are picked to talk, so it can be nice and orderly. myself and automan will be moderating the discussion.


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    #2370275 - 02/23/04 01:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

after reading that, i must say i was taking part in your revolution long before i even knew of you. :wink:


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    #2370560 - 02/23/04 02:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is an awesome idea and I'm excited about it. I'll be willing to help in any way I can, Swami's idea really strikes me as a great one.


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    #2370565 - 02/23/04 02:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

and here i was about to write you off as a worthless rabble-rouser :lol:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2370581 - 02/23/04 02:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I know I'm going to forget to be here at, what, 6:00 p.m. my time?  California??  :shake:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Frog]
    #2370638 - 02/23/04 04:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Let's see... that's
10 CST
9 MT
8 PT

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Re: The Revolution [Re: ]
    #2370650 - 02/23/04 04:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:

sounds a lot like what the founders of this nation set out to do 240 years ago.

:thumbup:




Yes, and I like that, too. I just wish things in the US hadn't gotten so off the track.The founders and authors of this nation must be spinning in their graves. :frown:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2370907 - 02/23/04 08:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Damn, I missed this one because I already went to bed, but next time I can probably wake up way early in the morning to catch it... I guess it is 5 or 6 a.m. for me.. but I'll do it! A small price to pay. :wink:
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Re: The Revolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2371347 - 02/23/04 11:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you didn't miss anything... the meeting is in 11 hours from the time of this post

They say the revolution is not going to be televised... but no one said anything about it not being on the internet.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2371534 - 02/23/04 01:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Change the way money is distributed?balance the fields?no 5% having 95% of the money.




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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2371557 - 02/23/04 01:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well hell, I had better get dude to set the firewall up so the port for the Shroomery is open, then. Its early to bed with me, too. :grin:
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Re: The Revolution [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #2371675 - 02/23/04 01:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't claim to have all the answers, I'm just throwing out suggestions.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2373104 - 02/23/04 07:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

*REMINDER*


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11pm eastern time - 8pm for you west coasters
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2373191 - 02/23/04 08:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm all for this. A couple of points:

- Governments, right wing idiots etc will not be happy when something like this gets off the ground. They will use violence, and they have pretty big fucken armies. What are we going to do about that?

- Media coverage: I live in australia, so I don't have personal experiance with US and other news coverage, i just assume it's a lot worse than it is here. News coverage here consists of 5 channels of shit ('ooh, look at the pretty puppy, gee, wasn't it hot today'), and 2 channels that are alright, but few watch. So, news coverage of this sort of thing will range from none at all, to look at the stupid hippies/terrorists. Effectively, anything the 'average person' hears about it will be through the media companies who are paying the governments to keep this system running as it is. The media is not our friend.

- dustin's post disturbed me. This sort of language suggests that this will be a top down revolution, rather than a ground up revolution. Top down revolution is not respecting of free will IMO. Of course, in the event of impending environmental catastrophe, as might happen soon, violent top down revolution might be the only thing to save any large portion of the human species.

- Some suggestions for environmental guidelines: Actions which destroy biodiversity or introduce a chemical into the environment which does not have a naturally occurring process to return it to pre-human chemical compounds at a rate sufficient to prevent buildup, are not good.

- I think the best way to go about this would be to create the 'virtual' organization (the online presence) first, then have small physical manifestations started around the world. Have the website be like a guide / directory / educational presence that physical manifestations can claim affiliation to if their individual goals / rules are close enough to the main site's.

- Having the large population base of the shroomery is very handy.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Le_Canard]
    #2373228 - 02/23/04 08:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Yes, and I like that, too. I just wish things in the US hadn't gotten so off the track.The founders and authors of this nation must be spinning in their graves.





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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2373315 - 02/23/04 09:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A few thoughts I had after some discussion in the channel this afternoon:

Violence should be strictly removed from our activities. If even one of us uses violence in our support of "The Revolution" we lose everything we are striving for. We would become "terrorists" in the eyes of all. Regimes born of violence will end in violence, I've heard before, and I don't see why we could/would be any different. Violence cannot be alowed.

Ok, on the topic of "spreading the news"...I think a lot can be said for certain word-of-mouth techniques. If we try using the media (any form) we stand the chance of coming off the wrong way. People could misunderstand our message. We could be seen as being a part of the system which we are trying to do away with.

Look at bonnaroo. With little (none, I think) advertising they end up as a rather large festival, selling out all their tickets.

If we phrase our message the correct way, people will want to tell eachother. They will want to spread the word. In this manner the Revolution could spread exponentially, constantly accelerating as it gains ground.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: trendal]
    #2373354 - 02/23/04 09:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)




"Violence should be strictly removed from our activities. If even one of us uses violence in our support of "The Revolution" we lose everything we are striving for"

What about violence towards animals? What about the intestines we brutally stole from the pigs to make our breakfast to power our brains to become a part of the organization, to voice our concerns?? Will there be any animal rights laid out? Most americans never even think about how livestock is raised commercially , and in the process valuble human resources are used up, AND we pollute the enviroment , when all we need to do is eat veggies. Dont get me wrong, I like a good t-bone, but in the last 5 years ive cut my meat intake by ALOT....

Im sorry if this has been discussed already, I dident read the ENTIRE thread.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2373360 - 02/23/04 09:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think shroomism said he would like environmental concerns to be a very big part of this.

So yes, violence period should be a no-no :wink:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: trendal]
    #2373373 - 02/23/04 09:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"So yes, violence period should be a no-no"

well how will we define violence? I think there could be a split in parties who would like to eat animals , and those who wouldent... Then theres always the debate that animals are here SO we can eat them, what say thee?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2373406 - 02/23/04 09:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

People have a choice to eat animals if they want to. If we want to create a system that is about free will and not hurting one another, we cannot squabble on whether it is okay to eat an animal for survival. do you agree?

We have done it for thousands of years. I will agree that the methods for farming are bad, and are in fact dangerous to all our healths. But leaving religous ideaologies out of it i think would be majorly important. We shouldnt have to split between one another. We must accept one another. It should be like love, if we can accept the slight differences among one another, how will we ever find harmony? Shall we continue flight in isolation?

good point though 2experimental, just dont get caught up in your own views, that you cannot accept the harmless choices of others when concerning their eating habbits.

After all if it wasnt for much destruction and loss, we would not be here holding this discussion miles and miles apart. It is a fact we must deal with, but not something we should use to seperate one another over. Keeping in mind unity is essential.

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I think trendal is absolutely correct. When will be called terrorists for going against the way our government runs?

Violence is useless, it would go against everything we want. I cannot agree with trendal more. Our goals must be the highest, and to unite ALL people. Right? And to do away with the need for violence? Thats where unity comes in... getting to unify people is the daunting task we must face....


These are some key points i hope we discuss tonight. Im all for it! great discussion


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2373456 - 02/23/04 10:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"we cannot squabble on whether it is okay to eat an animal for survival"

sorry to pound this subject even more, but do we really need animals to survive? cant we get protein from other natural sources without hurting the enviroment? I think my point is that if the current trend continues, the animal buissness will add to global destruction in a comparable rate to exaust fumes and fertilizers, run-off, ECT. If one of the points of the movement is to preserve the globe, I think that a MAJOR issue needs to be the end of what we call modern dining.

"just dont get caught up in your own views, that you cannot accept the harmless choices of others when concerning their eating habbits"
How harmless are thier choices really? harmless to ME yes, but you totally skipped the part about harmless to the world.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2373477 - 02/23/04 10:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I didnt skip over it entirely. I did mention farming techniques :wink: . This is where we get the majority of our animals to eat.

Personally, i am also a big advocate of the environment. I wouldnt be talking about how harmful our buildings are either... im not quite too sure on how much people have thought of that one :wink: .

Sure we can get our protein from other sources, but what kind of waste will we make when we try to find all the answers to our biological needs? Thats a long process that can be solved in one simple easy to find answer.

Moderation i think is what you mean... self sustaining areas that can produce non polluting, non harmful waste to the environment can be done.

What hurts other animals, even the ones we dont eat, is how we go about doing ALL business. Our government would not be as far wide as it is without the pollution causing machine that it is, which is exactly why we ought to find alternatives. Its not an easy one step process. But i think that starting off by dividing people on who eat animals is splitting hairs. But i will go the lengths to come to a compromise or a mitigation on this issue, only because i think the both of us could find a middle ground.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2373581 - 02/23/04 10:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

just a reminder.. the meeting begins in t-minus 15 minutes


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2373597 - 02/23/04 10:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Could you post how we get there again? For those of us too lazy to go find it? TY in advance!


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Re: The Revolution [Re: hevvy_psi]
    #2373612 - 02/23/04 10:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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hevvy_psi said:
*REMINDER*


For the meeting tonight:

11pm eastern time - 8pm for you west coasters
to connect simply go to the shroomery.org main page and click on community, then shroomery chat
it should take you right in, once connected type /join #revolution and you will be in the room
for connecting through an irc client, simply put /server shroomery.org , then /join #revolution




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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2374091 - 02/24/04 01:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

>The law of Free Will states that if you harm no one, you may do as you please.

When does a person become a person?
Does this allow a woman to smoke crack during pregnancy?

>No law may be passed which endangers any species of life or harms the essence of nature, including the oceans, rivers, forests, and atmosphere of Earth.

Are you looking for an industrial de-evolution? I'm not sure it's even possible to support every human on the planet without using the technology we have been using. Humans have grown beyond the original supporting capacity of Earth using technology, whats going to happen when we stop using it?

>No form of energy shall be used on Earth that damages the atmosphere.
The meat from cows is a food energy, but if cows are producing gases that harm the atmosphere, what are we supposed to do with them?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2374273 - 02/24/04 02:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Some things are recyclable, and thus good for our planet, because they put back into the atmosphere the things we take. Its a natural process of all life, and will, over time, may contribute to changes in the atmosphere.

This isnt including the gas emissions or industrial pollutants. The aim isnt to cast some magical spell that will change everything tomorrow, its about being progressive. Working towards developing things that will change these problems.

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Are you looking for an industrial de-evolution? I'm not sure it's even possible to support every human on the planet without using the technology we have been using




the majority of the human population is not industrialized. They are living on farms, or worse.

shall we try to reform them? or shall we try to make a system that is efficient for all?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Jared]
    #2374634 - 02/24/04 04:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you don't like using a website that makes a profit why don't you try newsgroups?

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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2375379 - 02/24/04 11:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i think a non localized revolution, might be something entirely impossible to do. we expect nations to bow down to what we want them to be like? people DO want change, but what are the chances of any government taking our constitution, seriously and for what it is? what stops them from just ignoring us?

the only real solution to this is for it not to be a govenrment, or a 'virtual country' or anything of that sort, but for it to be a movement. once we have firm goals, we should pick a gathering ground, somewhere centralized, and have...lets say 1 months to get there, and have everyone interested in the revolution, bring as many people as they can that feel the same way, and stop along the way, the entire way there, to find more people that they dont know yet, to bring more people along. they have 4 weeks to stop in every town on the way there and find people to join. once we gathered amass, that is when goals are accomplished. its hard to ignore a million or so people, moving across the country, to join together to accomplish something.

no now that i think about it, anything virtual will not work...mass amounts of people, gathering together...will work no doubt.

lets get some firm goals that everyone can agree on, i'll rally the troops.

sorry i missed the meeting, i'll catch the next one for sure

~JSlice~

ps. i was gonna start this mass gathering anyways in a few years. i have been planning this for about 6 months...it should commence sometime in 2007


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Re: The Revolution [Re: angryjslice]
    #2375390 - 02/24/04 11:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i like this idea. its tough to feed a million people, though :smile:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2375396 - 02/24/04 11:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The meeting last night was a great success and we have moved on to *Phase 2*

If anyone would like to participate in further discussions and planning, these will take place at another location... simply PM me or state in this thread that you would like access to the next location. Everyone who was at the meeting or has expressed interest in this thread has already been added.

I want to thank you all for coming together and helping to make some of these things come closer to reality. If we work together with great communication, and do not falter from our primary objective and intentions, we can surely make a major difference.

The next meeting is Monday, March 1st - 10pm EST (7pm pacific) same channel in IRC
but the #revolution channel is open permanently
we will establish a website and our own BB in the near future, but for the time being, all discussions pertaining to the revolution will take place at another location, so please PM me or state in this thread and I will give you instructions on how to find it.



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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2375408 - 02/24/04 11:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Any way to get a transcript or a summary of the discussion from last night?

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Re: The Revolution [Re: Otto]
    #2375421 - 02/24/04 11:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

shroomism, same here, i would like one, and the info for the next one, please.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Otto]
    #2375430 - 02/24/04 11:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes.. but unfortunately my logging did not work successfully, so we have to wait until later when Effed can copy and paste it manually.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2375435 - 02/24/04 11:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sweet.. i'm interested in the info for "phase 2" also.

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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2375588 - 02/25/04 10:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys this is great! I wish you the best of luck and you have my support.

I just thought I'd throw this in...

The government is estimating now that has high as 1 in a 100 people are sociopaths. These people are intelligent and manipulative. What makes them dangerous is their lack of emotion. Sociopaths do not experience any remorse for their actions against others and can perform outragous acts to hurt other people.

I have 1st hand experience. My father, a pacivist/peaceful man was hospitalised for 2 and a half weeks by a guy for next to no reason. Because the guy claims, he was recieving nuiscance calls from our house (this was proven to be a lie on several occasions that he had suggested). My father left home shortly after, unable to live in the same village as this guy and unable to move the family due to finacial problems.

After my father had gone the guy continued to reign a 3 year war against me and my sisters & mother. This involved him grabbing my sister whilst drunk and getting off with her, he could of raped her if people didn't turn up (he's married with a family by the way). He trapped me one time and said the most horrific things about what he had & would do to me & my family.

I don't know how any human can do this but he has no emotion other than hate. There was never any reason for him to want to fuck up my family and my life. As you can imagine, I've spent years thinking about how I may kill this man and I have been in some fucked up emotional states just thinking about what happened.

Sorry I know this is more of a personal story, but for a revolution in humanity to happen what will we do with all these sociopaths?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2377081 - 02/25/04 09:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It is my humble opinion that people can not be trusted, sociopath or not. There is no real way to account for people that are ill, therfore I feel that there always must be some sort of governmental order. Of course most modern governments are corrupt and pass unjust laws there of course is ways to fix this. If any one would like to discuss this further, creating a more perfect society, respond and perhaps we should create a new thread as this one has grown quite massive.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: mushmouth]
    #2377184 - 02/25/04 10:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am trying to learn this lesson, that people cannot be trusted. I trust everybody.


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    #2377293 - 02/25/04 11:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's not that all people can't be trusted. Some can, some can't. You just have to use your intuition to find out who you can trust and who you can't. If I don't suspect anything fishy (please no punch lines Swami  :wink:), I give the person the benefit of the doubt.


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    #2377556 - 02/26/04 12:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Id like access to the next location .. thx


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Re: The Revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2380134 - 02/26/04 05:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Add me, I?d like to access the next meeting aswell.

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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2380138 - 02/26/04 05:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'd like access to the next meeting, if the list has no cap :smile:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2387915 - 02/29/04 01:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

add me please?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: ]
    #2387923 - 02/29/04 02:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Max Headroom said:
It's not that all people can't be trusted. Some can, some can't. You just have to use your intuition to find out who you can trust and who you can't. If I don't suspect anything fishy (please no punch lines Swami  :wink:), I give the person the benefit of the doubt.




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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2390651 - 03/01/04 11:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

shroomism id like to know where i can talk about it please let me know where the discussion is.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: JameZTheNewbie]
    #2391918 - 03/01/04 06:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yea same hizere


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2423219 - 03/12/04 11:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

First think you have to do is to be open to the public. If you do not start on that way, you will never have the chance to make something smart. Are you ready to leave the childish warfare and start what you have to do?

Open that forum to the public.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Crobih]
    #2423523 - 03/12/04 12:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The "public" don't post here. Having it hidden for now is the best thing for it right now. Development! You can't open anything up to the "public" when you don't have anything to open up to them. :wink:
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Re: The Revolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2423579 - 03/12/04 01:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am the public. Putting me far from the stuff that happens there, you are creating two classes in its very start. Those who desreve to be there by the will of the shrommism and those who so not deserve to.

It is completely antidemocratic. Acutally it is pretty despotic attitude on its very start. And none of you have not feel the political power yet. What will happen to you when you feel it? You will bend down as millions before you did.

Off course, if you succeed to make the first two steps.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Crobih]
    #2423690 - 03/12/04 01:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Um, pretty much the whole purpose of having it in its own forum with special access is to keep people that don't have a genuine intent to help out. Also the forum is only temporary, until a website it opened.

I think you are jumping to too many assumptions based on not much. So, like, have you PM'ed Shroomism, Trendal, automan, or any of the mods invovled with this? It isn't like there is some sort of screening process or people being kept out of this. All you have to do is ask.

If you are genuniely interested in helping with this, PM Shroomism and ask to be added to the list of people that can see. If not, then don't worry about it. :wink:
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Re: The Revolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2423797 - 03/12/04 01:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have seen this process too many times going on not to be aware about the problems it brings. I have seen many inspired souls who where great leaders, until they got too far from the reality. And keeping the process closed from the public, moves you from the reality.

So, it is up to you. Do you want to be strong in your very fantasy world, or are you ready for real action? Off course, there is not many people who are ready to deal with the real world in the politics.
Because you have to be mature person with integrity if you wanna get into this game an profit out of it.

Having this process open, you grow up very fast, so after all you can get into the real league. The leauge that is not some little game of a dozen of lurkes. But something much bigger. It is up to you. It is up to you to consider the stuff I am talking about. For your good. After all, we all share the same dream about the truly free World.

After all, I need you, as you need me. Because only together we can realize our dream.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Crobih]
    #2423833 - 03/12/04 02:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There isn't some process being hidden. You have to keep in mind that the people that come here and post make up a very small majority of people who tend to be open-minded than the majority of people out there. And you have to realize that anyone who requests access to the forum will get it.

You have to understand that this was just started two weeks ago. People are discussing and discussing and discussing and deciding on the best way to start this up.

I understand your concerns but you have to start somewhere. It seriously has been like two weeks. :grin: You don't start preaching to the masses before you even have a strong message, you know?

If you want to be involved PM Shroomism. Listen in to what has been discussed and start getting involved with the discussion. If you don't want to get involved, than wish us well and move on. :wink:
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Re: The Revolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2423936 - 03/12/04 02:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is pretty naive to think that 10 or how many of you can create smething that strong, that big, that will be enough to move the whole World. You need the help from anybody who can help. You have to open yourselves as much as you can to swim in the ocean of the ideas. You can not do that if you close yourself in the moment when you need the openness the most. Anyway, I wish you luck and I hope you will listen the words of those who have passed through big part of what is in front of you. Because there is no any sense to discover things that where discovered thousand years ago. You have to give your energy into the NEW things. And do not forget that everything flows.

PS. I really appreciate your intention. That is very important thing. But I do not want you to create the baby that will be so weak, that the only mission from a dozen of you will be to move around it, to keep it alive, instead of making something that will move away everything infront of it.

I know how is it to have your own baby. And how hard is it to loose your own baby. Especially if it is up to you to give up from it.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Crobih]
    #2423959 - 03/12/04 02:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hehe, I really understand your concerns but it really isn't this way with this. PM Shroomism, have him add you, this is only temporarily closed off to build focus and intention, to decide the best way to go about this.

I think you could really help out as well, you have a nice perspective. Definitely wait and see what has been going on with this, get access to the temporary forum and join in. :laugh:
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Crobih]
    #2423993 - 03/12/04 02:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

erm... you act as if it's a secret club or something. It's not.
Anyone who wants access only has to ASK. And the forum is only temporary until we establish a public website and our own BB.
Opening it to everyone including those who have no genuine interest in it right now would only hurt the cause. It is only in the beginning stages of development.
There is about 70 people added right now, not 10.. and more being added everytime someone PMs ME or ASKS in this thread. There is no discrimination.

The fact is that the forum is private for security reasons, I wanted to make it public, but the higher powers decided that was not a wise decision as it could endanger an already sketchy and watched website.

Again, to gain access to the forum, all you have to do is ASK
This is just for the time being, until we establish the foundation and create a website, where we will have a very public message board.

Surely you understand this?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2424007 - 03/12/04 02:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hehe, by the way, I've been caught up in things and haven't had the time to focus on much of anything, but I've been keeping up in at least reading the threads, and I'm going to be active once again VERY shortly. :wink:
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Re: The Revolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2424469 - 03/12/04 04:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'd very much like to be a part of this. Please sign me up


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2425017 - 03/12/04 07:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Shroomism said:
The fact is that the forum is private for security reasons, I wanted to make it public, but the higher powers decided that was not a wise decision as it could endanger an already sketchy and watched website.




This really pleases me. I wish you luck, guys. Though, as I am involved in the realisation of the Internet democracy, I wont be able to follow your discussions too much. Though, as soon as you realise a message board I gonna visit you and help you out in stuff if I find a proper way :smile:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2637636 - 05/04/04 06:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i'm too lazy to read the whole thread...
has the topic of the po-lice been covered?
what do you plan to do with those who would stand in your way and most likely pepper spray and arrest you for breaking some law or another?
what about the power elite and their media/military industrial complex that would brand you a "Terrorist faction" and promptly send out troops to squash your revolution?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Clean]
    #2637649 - 05/04/04 06:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

thats why it should start out small... and be a peaceful movement through and with people... not against them. The government could already have us labeled as terrorists. This isnt a coup or anything... lol .


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2637685 - 05/04/04 06:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

they (police & military) don't care if your peaceful. the TV and the orders from the top brass say you're a terrorist, probably working for al qaeda. with the patriot act in place they can and will detain you for an indefinate ammount of time merely on suspiscion.
anyone trying to seriously and publically subvert and replace the current system will be branded a terrorist, garaunteed. how will you overcome that?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Clean]
    #2637780 - 05/04/04 07:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

all i'm saying is that the truth - that the revolution is peaceful and is for everyone - will not be presented on a large scale in the media at first. as is evident in the mass media coverage of the iraq war and 9/11 and throughout the rest of history, truth is not something that the Powers That Be want the rest of us to find out.
we would have to deal with the same type of misinformation and blatant propaganda being used against us.

actually i think that given enough time, and enough support and awareness of the true nature of the revolution in the minds of the masses, the Powers That Be would fail simply because their lies were so obvious and would not be able to sway even the most ardent of Bush supporters.(i hope) the question is, would they go quietly into the night, join us peacefully(somehow that seems doubtful) or would they try to instigate a civil war?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Clean]
    #2637797 - 05/04/04 07:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Clean said:
they (police & military) don't care if your peaceful. the TV and the orders from the top brass say you're a terrorist, probably working for al qaeda. with the patriot act in place they can and will detain you for an indefinate ammount of time merely on suspiscion.
anyone trying to seriously and publically subvert and replace the current system will be branded a terrorist, garaunteed. how will you overcome that?




first i say u should hit up the revolution forum...
i dont think anyone is trying to directly subvert anything.
the only idea ive heard in the revolution forum is to buy an island and fuckin leave.

AND. if it were somehow possible to educate everyone in the country, from a completely peacefull standpoint. then the few that hold power couldnt stop the educated masses.

i think the greater problem is dealing with the structual changes of the system that would be nessisary. i dont think its reasonable to think we can sustain our current population without destroying the places we inhabit.

lastly, i missed the last 3 or 4 meetings, so im clueless as to whats been happening there.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: BleaK]
    #2637806 - 05/04/04 07:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

there's a forum?  must be invite only, i can't see it on the list.
ah hah... just read shroomisms post a couple pages back..
pays not to be lazy dunnit?  :smirk:


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Clean]
    #2637919 - 05/04/04 07:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I would hope they would see the truth.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2638686 - 05/04/04 10:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I would like access to the forum please. I too wish to live life the way it wills. Not the way society wills it.


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Re: The Revolution [Re: MellowMood]
    #2653216 - 05/08/04 01:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I too would like access. Shroomism did you get my PM?


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
    #2656117 - 05/09/04 09:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Viva le Revolution!


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Re: The Revolution [Re: Treefiddy]
    #2656240 - 05/09/04 10:59 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Guys, I support what you're doing. I really do. But I'm rather skeptical at the moment about this "Revolution". If you can convince me that you're actually gonna start doing things instead of just sitting about (mass)debating, then I will join your movement. But at the moment I refuse to waste my time in believing in something that'll probaly never happen.

Where is this website that you guys were gonna make? Seriously, if you want this to kick off, YOU NEED TO MAKE A WEBSITE. A place where someone can actually look up your goals and your dreams. Somewhere where people can discuss and plan marches. I know it may not be a big step, but atleast it is a start. It's no use in just talking about it on the shroomery of having these meetings in an IRC chat to make you guys feel special. You need to actually do something about it.

Say if this new world order did ever happen. You are aware that this "no violence" thing will NEVER work? You can't tell someone to stop something that comes to them naturally. You're asking people to change instincts. That aint gonna happen at all. Some guy said it in a post earlier, but your goals are WAY to far fetched. You've gotta start small, then gradually get bigger and bigger. (Kudos to the guy who also said this, you're probaly one of the very few who actually made sense to me in this thread. :wink:)

So here is where I stand. I am willing to join this revolution. But only if I actually see some progress. I refuse to sit around debating policies in threads, and I refuse to go into a IRC chatroom at the moment. Make a website, and atleast then there is some hope for this revolution. :wink:


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